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Planning Commission - 08/11/1980 AGENDA Eden Prairie Planning Commission Monday, August 11, 1480 COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William, Bearman, Liz Retterath, George Bentley, Grant Sutliff, Virginia Gartner, Matthew Levitt, Hakon Todesen STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Jean Johnson, Assistant Planner; Sue Srhulz , Planning Secretary Pledge of Allegiance -- Roll Call I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA II , APPROVAL OF THE JULV 289 1980 MINUTES III . MEMBERS REPORTS IV. EDEN PRAIRIE (DEVELOPMENT) REDEVELOPMENT PLAN V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. SUPERAMERICA STATION, at Co. Rd./TH 5. Request to rezone 1. 1 acr from Plan Study to Highway Commerical for con- struction of a convenience store & gas station. Located in the Southwest corner of TH 5 b C(;. Rd. 4. A continued public meeting. B. TIMBER CREEK, by B-T Land Company. Request for Planned Lint Development approval on 150 acres of land for single family 8 multiple residential , parkland, and open space uses. Located North of Duck Lake Trail , West of Co. Rd. 4 and South of Tc*nline Road. A public hearing. VI . OLD BUSINESS VII . NEW BUSINESS V 1 1 1 • f'LJ NANER 1 S Mf Vh t Ix. ADJOURNMENT - R 14INUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION approved Monday, August 11 , 1980 7:30 PM, City Hall MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman William Bearman , Liz Retterath, George Bentley, . Grant Sutliff, Matthew Levitt, Haken Tor3esen MEMBERS ABSENT: Virginia Gartner STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Sue Schulz Planning Secretary I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Bentley moved to approve the agenda as submitted. Gartner seconded, motion carried 6-0. II . APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF JULY 28 p. 1 under approval of minutes , in motion, add (Levitt abstained) p. 3 under Vote change abstained to voted no p. 5 under ration i change Sutliff seconded to Gartner _ p. 5 bottom* ukk=tion St ifr moved to ta►bie the E,A,W.,, Sutliff seconded motion carried 5-0. _ p. 6 paragraph #5, change apprhpriate :tg required .. ---....:_tsar- _ +►" .. �•}-::. .� - .,r-.pu+.-y-ek.M ie�-..�+a•.w.++r--•_tn.--._..-..v+,...t+�+0+-•'�'�7ts:r[+r•.1wrw— ti NOTE: In the [Minutes p. 6 para. 59, should be rhanged to read ell it-this an were . - ... Ltner moved to approve the jai n ites of July 28 wi th the above chomps , - -- - � 'orJesen seconded, motion csrfIN -0-1, Bearman abstained, III . MEMBERS REPORTS stone IV. EMN PRAIRIE UIVELOPHEP1T) REDEVELUMENT PW V ty Mart "-r Roger U1 stall was preset to answr questions regarding the Plan which had been continued from July 2$, IM. - i Levitt stated that he wanted the vote to read as a finding of fact rather than a reconmenda*ion. "Torjesen stated that it Was his opinion that the Olen is inconsistent with the balance of grnwth and that he intended to vote nay. Motion Bentley moved finding the road improvements planned for financing under the HRA Plan in conformance with the Ci ty' s Revised Co+nprehens ive Guide Pl hn. - Sutlif* seconded. -motion carried 4-I-1 . Bearma 444taiuing and Torjesen voting `." _..- '-',!C.'"._.'1`•' +.�fry ._.... - _ _. � ,-._ - .y ., .� . L• }" _��. .�-r .���"'+^ ✓� .,:.sue ____- _- ..�.tt>asdlfilt.�-_ _ .l _Y _�-1� approved Planning Commission Minutes -2- August 11 , 1980 V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. SUPERAMERICA STATION, at Co. Rd.1TH 5. Request to rezone '. ,3 acres rom Plan StRy to Highwdy Commercial for construction of a convenience store b gas station.. Located in the South- west corner of TH 5 and Co. Rd. 4. A continued public hearing. The Commission had received a request from the proponent to withdraw his application. The Commission accepted the request and the Public Hearing was closed. B. TIMBER CREEK, by B-T Land Company. Request for Planned Unit Development approval on 150 acres of land for single family d multiple residential . park 1 and , and open space uses. Lo- cated North of Duck Lake Trail , West of Co. Rd. 4 and South of Townline Road. A public hearing. The Pi?.,ner explained that the proponent had revised the original plan according to Commission recommendationso, reviewed the staff report dated 8/8/80, and stated that new public hearing notices had been sent. The Planner introduced Rink Murray, representing B-T :.and Company and Jack Lynch, Land Planner. Lynch reviewed the history from the previous meeting and reviewed the major concerns. He also reviewed the revisions of the plat. Additional accesses had been added to the parks, a through road had been added to connect with future development to the west. And to respond to the Planning Commission concerns regarding the pruimity of a number of quad homes to the vacant land to the west, they hay! added an 80' buffer area and clustered the units into a condominium type ti increase open space between units. He sts�d that they would submit detailed buffering plans with a toning proposal . The Planner suMst, to the Commission that they refer to items in the 4!91W staff report • 4 8,a/80 staff report while they are !eking motions. Bentley stated that he felt that eightplexes do not allows the plan to conform with the Comprehe.nsive Guide Plan. T;.le Planner stated that the density is under 2 units/acre and that tke Guide pica wakes provision For clustering of units to promote variety and preserve open space. Lynch stated that the density has not changed although the distance to tiw proper- ties, building mass and the building desiTn has. He also stated that ow eightnlem des ! ;.�::s wI tive top and 4 units on the botUm, which ran�,e�s from 9W sq. ft. to 1300 sq. ft. each. Levitt_ asked abwt!, the_ mainteaance of the eightplexes. Lynch stated that there will be an over all 11ome Owner's Association, and three swbordirate tuildirwg min- tenance associations. Joe Ma3rfn, 18520 South Eden Drive, presented a petition end report from the residents entitled, Resideent's Report to The Eden Prairie Planning Commission on The Timber Creek Develoment. Aorin also reed this report dated August 11 , 1"0 and asked tW- _ it be made part of the record.V lop ` 'Cot, b! !A �+`-s.+:'Jvs� .•j :1;?r�4f".'."1�41'i9hY'1r+3^*iJulr::,e war.r..-,... ..,.�.� ved Planning Commission Minutes -3- OkAgsuto1191980 William Kannenberg, 15909 West 62nd Street, stated that if the 'Wilderness Park ' Concept proposed by Morin were adopted, the residents south of the creek could obtain access to it by construction of a flowing boardwalk. Steve Stensgaard, 6544 Eden Prairie Road, felt that tha proposed road access to Co. Rd. 4 would be dangerous. The Planner responded that the County had reviewed the access and found it accept- able, however, the proponent would be required to a du turn lanes and by-pass lanes to Co. Rd. 4. Elanore NcKewan, 16730 Baywood Terrace, felt that the proposal should be review-ed as two separate proposals north and south. Bearman asked !how many un its there would be south of the creek and on how many acres. The Planner stated that there are 179 units south of the creek or 94 acres ; 2 units/acres would allow a possibility of 188 units. Mrs. James Pedric, 15816 North Lund Road, felt that the only reason multiple was being considered south of the creek was to allow the developer to make more money. Paul Choiniere, 15819 Nurth Eden Drive, stated that he is opposed to PUD 's in general , because in the east they have not been successful . Beaman stated that a P.U.D. here is different, because it is not a zone but a process for allowing mixed land use, each use to be zoned to an appropriate zoning catagory. Michael Reuter, 6602 Rainbow Drive, asked if Co. Rd. 4 can handle the additional traffic. Levitt asked if there would be a realigning of the intersection of Co. Rd. 4 and Duck Lake Trail . The Planner stated that there would be a wi$ening of Duck Lake V. to the south to allow Uuck Lake Trail to make a safe 90 angle with Co. Rd. 4. Since man; questions were being asked that had been covered in the origi..al public hearing, the Planner highlighted the 4/9/80 staff report, regarding traffic concerns. Curtis Knutson, 6511 Undestad Street, would rather see single family as a buffer to the nest and he also feels there is a traffic problem on Co. Rd. 4. John Price, 16640 Honeysuckle Lane, feels there should be two parks as in the Plan. William Kannenberg, 15909 W. 62nd Street, asked why it is necessary to have multiple dwellings anywhere in the City. The Planner s meted that the Comprehensive Guide Plan allows multiple dwellings to provide a variety of housing opportunity. Levitt expressed his concern that some people that signed the petition might rot have understood that the proposal was to remove the park from the south area and place it in the north. John Beal , 15820 Oak Ridge Road, stated that 94% of the people in tide area contacted signed the petition and that it was explained to them. approved Planning Commission Minutes -4- August 11 , 1980 3 TiM ^ ICI :.c, 155b9 11o112ssucklc Lark , askCU w110t the dVna i Ly ur Lhe area adjacent to Country Vista was . Lynch replied no development abuts any existing family; 10 acres of park abut Country Vista. Peter DiBona , 15809 Park Terrace [give , commented that he feels that the condominiums will become ghettos. Torjesen asked the people if they wanted a wilderness park on the north side of the creek, would it not also be more fair to distribute additional density up there . Paul Choiniere, 15819 North Lund Road , felt that because of natural springs in the northern area , that it would be un uitable for townhouses . Rick Murray, B-T Land Company, stated that actually the ability t�i cluster multiple units north of the creek on the buildable areas would be more feasible than the srattered large lot single family proposed. lie summarized the changes they had responeded -Ge and urged the Planning Commission to recommend approval of the P.U .D. to the City Council . He felt the resedents' park proposal was really exclusive of his current request. Motion 1 Levitt moved to close the public hearing on TImber Creek. Sutliff seconded , motion cat-ried 5-0. Motion 2 Levitt moved to recommend to the City Council appr;;val of the revised PUD Concept based upon the plan dated 7/24/80, the 4/9/80 staff report, the 7/22/80 memo from BRW, and the 8/8/80 staff memo. Sutliff seconded. DISCUSSION Levitt felt that there are two over-riding issues , which are , land use and whether there was to be two parks as voted on in the bond issue, or some large wilderness park as proposed by the residents. Bentley asked Levitt if he would include the removal of condominiums from the southwest further to the east. Levitt replied no because he felt that the POO and final approval must wait and that condominiums might not be ac-ttptable in that area. Bentley moved to amend the motion to move the condominium units (south of the creek) _ ..further away from the auture single family are& '�uccurring to the west. Torjesen seconded, motion failed, 3-3. Levitt, Retterathi, and Bearmn voted no. The original unamended motion carried 4-2. Torjesen and Bentley voted no. VI . OLD BUSINESS Bearman asked that the report regarding development controls originally re- quested of the City Attorney at the joint Planning Commission/City Council meeting, be brought to the Planning Commission. Y:I . NEW BUSINESS Sutliff stated that lie would like a copy of the House Moving Ordinance. PlanningCommission Minutes _�_ approves August 11 , 1980 VIII . PLANNER' S REPORT The Planner stated that Bryant Lake Center/Lake;i dge Office Park would return with revised plans at the next meeting. Lake Idlewild Office proposal would also be reviewed at the next meeting. IX . ADJOURNMENT Bentley moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:55 PM. Levitt seconded , motion carried 6-0.