Planning Commission - 07/28/1980 AGENDA
Eden Prairie Planning Commission
!Monday, July 28, 19RO
7:30 PM, City Hall
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chairman William Beaman, Liz Retterath, George
Bentley, Grant Sutliff, Virginia Gartner,
Matthew Levitt, Hakon Torjesen.
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Jean Johnson,
Assistant Planner; Sue Schulz, Planning Secretary.
Pledge of Allegiance -- Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
II. APPROVAL OF THE JULY 14, 1980 MINl1TES
I1. !MEMBERS REPORTS
IV. EDEN PRAIRIE (Development) REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
A. BRYANT LAKE CENTER PUD b LAKERIDGE OFFICE PARK REZONING. Request
for Pt;Zonc.ept approval of office & commercial uses on 31 acres ,
rezoning from "-Reg to office for 7.7 acres , preliminary plat ap-
proval , and approval of ar. Envi�onim tal Assessment Worksheet.
Located South of Co. Rd. 60 6 North of 494. A public hearing.
B. INTERSTATE DETROIT DIESEL ALLISON INC. Request for PUD Concept
approval of office, warehouse, and park uses on 31 acres located
South of Shady Oak Road and Nest of U.S. 169-212. A public.
hearing.
C. NEILL WOWS 2ND APOITION, by The Preserve. Request to rezone 1.3
acres coin Rural - G ATM.5. A publ is hearing.
D. REZONING TO RURAL IN SOUTBNESTERN EDEN PRAIRIE.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
V11. NEM BUSINESS
VI I I . ' PLANNER'S REPORT -
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MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING C014rLISSION
approved
Monday, July 28, 1980 7 :30 PM, City Hall
mlE!�BERS PRESENT: Acting Chairman Matthew Levitt, Grant Sutliff, Virginia Gartner,
Hako; Toriesen, Georie Bentley.
MEMBERS ABSENT: William Bearman, Liz Retterath.
STAFF PRESENT: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Sue S,,hulz, Planning Secretary.
I . APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Gartner moved to approve the agenda as submitted. Bentley seconded, motion
carried 5-0.
II . APPROVAL. OF THE MINUTES OF JULY 149 1980 _
P. 1 change 5-1 to 5-0-1
P. 2 change under Motion 2, #1 , park to parks
P. 2 change under Motion 2, Gartner seconded , to Retterath
P. 2 charge in Motion 3. Motion 1 , to Motion 2
P. 3 change under Motion 4, Motion 1 to Motion 2
P. 3 of ange Motion under Superamerica from Torjesen seconded, to Bentley &
change 5-0 to 5-1 .
P. 3 change in first paragraph under Item C, unlegible to illegible
P. 4 para. #5 should read John Wilke, 7221 Willow Creek Rd, , distributed
letter and read same.
P. 4 change Motion from Bearman to Gartner
P. 4 change in para. # 11 from desires to recommended
P. 4 change in para. # 15 from doesn' t to does not
P. 5 change under Planner' s report, under #2, should be public meeting not
public hearing.
Sutliff moved to approve the minutes of July 14 with cnanges . Torjesen
seconded , motion carried 4-0-1 . Levitt abstained ,
1I1. MEMBERS REPORTS
None
IV. PRAIRIE ve evnt) +. EDEVEL M, EMT,
John Craps C,tx Cinanrrial nirartnr erortanted the Tax incf'om t and (Development)
Redevelopment Plan, listing the major road improvements to be financed in the
Major Center Area , He explained that the bridges , underpasses , and ramps made up
a major portion of the cost which the City had been depending on State help for.
These projects had been dropped by the State due to lack of funds and that the
Tax Increment financing method repined the only viable way to proceed.
Ber,;,ley ingui rPd If any property o"ners woO d be asstssed for any portion of the
improvement. :sane replied that although the MA
improvements such as bridges
would be funded by Tax Incratent, 60% of the -2-lane roa-,Iway Mould be assessed to
prMrty owners on a front foot basis .
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Bentley asked about the phasing of the project. Frane replied that phasing would
proceed in areas currently under development first.
Bentley asked what the effect of the Tax Increment District on other Agencies was ,
and what problems would occur if the Tax Increment District codld not repay the
bonds within the allowed time.
Frane replied that since the District was being utilized to stimulate development
that may not otherwise happen and be taxable, that the effect on other agencies
would be neglible. In terms of debt repayment, he said that the intent was to
sell Revenue Bonds , which committed only the vehicle of revenue production for
repayment. Frane explained further that you have 25 years from start until the
final bond is retired.
Torjesen asked when the underpass and ramps would be built on I -494. Frane stated
that it was possible to begin by 1982.
Torjesen asked if the Plan was meant to encourage development, as he felt this was
not the corcensus of Eden Prairie's Citizens. Frane replied yes .
Torjesen asked if the costs projected would still be valid in 1987. Frane felt
that they would.
Gartner asked that if the taxes go up as a result of this , and they have not rebuilt
anything, would that still be a tax increment district. Frane replied yes .
Sutliff asked about the access to the properties.
The Planner replied that Schooner Blvd. will be a limited access road. Intersections
will be limited to 660 ft. spacing. This would allow signal ization of each access
point in the event it became necessary.
Torjesen commented that he feels that the City h?s an obligation to improve access
to Eden Prairie Center and to its customers and to other users. He does not feel
that the City should get in and encourage rapid development of the major Center
area.
Bentley stated that the M.C.A. addressed the area as being of regional iftiportance
and outlined it as an area of high density development. Also, by not finding ways
of encouraging development, trhey are actually putting a hardship on property owners.
Warren Gerecke, Golden Ridge Drive, stated that he agrees with the idea of tax
increments but he feels there is a critical nwd for the Homart Shopping Center
to have better roads to get to the Center. ha also feels that the whole City
should be taxed rather than a tax increment district because the whole City benefits
. from this.
Gartner asked if there was additional time available for Planning Commission consid-
eratiors. - Frane replied yes, but was hopeful that the plan submitted to the c"-
iss-foh Contained ample information.
Levitt asked what financing alternates were available for roaJ improvements. Frane
replied that there are no alternatives.
approver!
Planning Commission Minutes -3- July 28, 1980
Levitt asked the vailue of the eevelopment alreadyoccurin in the major 9 Center
area. Frane replied that it is about 18 million dollars. 5 million of which is
Homart Center.
Join Gollie, Willow Creek Read, asked whether State or Federal funding could be
restored in years to cm*. Frane repl ;ed that 1 t is hard to predict, but if the
funds do come that could reduce the cost of the tax increment district financing.
Dori Sorensen, 7121 Willow Creek Road, asked if the al location of the special
assessmen} of 95/5 has changed. Frane replied that yes , there had been a change
but he did not know the percentage rate.
Motion
Gartner moved to continue until ltagust 11 , 1-930 in order to allow the comission
time to consider whether the project was consistent with the Comprehensive Guide
Plart. Torjesen seconded.
Discussion
Levitt as ed what the commission is being asked to do. Frane replied that they are
being asked to determine if the plan conforms with the Comprehensive Guide 01,3n.
Levitt asked if this plan conformed with the Comphensive Guide ?ion. The Planner
stated that it was generated from the Comprehensive Guide Plan.
Vote
%tTon carried 3-2. Sutliff and Bentley voted no. .
A. BRYANT LAKE CENTER PUD AND LAKERIDGE OFFICE PARK REZOMIKG. Renuest f:�r
PUD tanrept approval- of office I comner ca uses -in 31 acres, rermina
from C-Reg to Office for 7.7 acres, preliminary plat approval , and app-
roval of an EnvironmentMl Assessment Korksheet. located South of Co.
Rd. 60 6 North of 49. A public hearing.
The Planner stated that this stem is continued from July 14. He introduced Dick
Putnam, representing Hustad Dev. Inc. , Mr. Dan O'Brian, and Tom Ryan, rep+resent%9
Ryan Bev. Inc.
Putnam gent over concerns raised at the July 14, i980 meeting afW revisions tr the
plan. He also stated that a loop street will be made through the oarking lot.
Grading would not be done over the entire 30 acres at this time. He pointed out
that the "T" intersection will be adequate.
Dan O'Brian, architect for Tom Ryan Development, stated that there will be 14
condominium office buildings which will ranoo frno „lam to gam, sq. ft, •ik stated
that the right-of-ways will be expanded to meet Engineering Deper t's require-
ments. They will modify setbacks for parking to comply with City ordinances ON
will modify the signage to comply with Ordinance 0261.
Tan Ryan discussed the density of the site. He. stated that the floor area ratio
is 24%, the building coverage is 40% less than is allowed and the twervious site
coverage is 25%' less than is allow-ad in the existing ordinances.
The Planner stated that the July 24 transportation report totals between 220000
to 25,000 trips a day on Valiey View Road. lie stated that the transportstio►n -
numbers on the July 22, 1980 transportation report are not accurate. The Planner
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Pla^nir��5 approved
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felt that a loop road other than going through a narking lot would be desireable.
He stated that the zoning ordinance allows 150,000± sq. ft. F.A.R. compared to the
77,060 sq. I L. Nrupused. He stated that wood is not an approved material for com-
mercial , industrial , office buildings under the zoning ordinance and asked the
commission to consider the durability and maintenance of wood. The Planner also
reviewed the parking.
SiAliff stated that the road access intervals do not meet the 660 ft. standard
for the Ring Road. The Planner stated that a couple of the accesses would become
less than full access in the future. He also stated that a "T" intersection crrjtes
less demand on that road as compared to a full intersection .
Bentley stated that there does not seem to be any progress toward connecting the
cul -de-sacs. He also felt that since these cul -de-sacs are not connected , people
would have problems findi )y the addresses that they wanted to reach.
Ryan stated that there has been some progress . He also stated that the first
traffic report stated that there is no need to connect these cul -de-sacs. Ryan
stated that the road setbacks and requirements have to be met.
Nutr.,ft stated that he felt that people would not drive in one way to get out
through the other way and there is no over-riding reason for the loop road.
Bentley asked what the length of the cul -de-sacs was and what the distance between
them was. Putnam replied that the west cul -de-sac is 300 ft. and the east is
600 ft. and the distance between the two is between 600 to 700 ft.
The Planner stated the reasons why the cul-de-sacs should be connected : maintenance.
fire and police protection, and circulation. He also stated that the County feels
that the loop road would be beneficial .
Don Sorensen, 7121 Willuw Creek Road, stated that the PUD Concept stated that the
project will be 40% commercial use, and he doubts that the use would be compatible
with other uses. The lights, noise, traffic, etc. would be obtrusive to the neigh-
boring single family areas and should not be included.
Bentley asked if the site is currently zoned commercial . The Planner replied that
it is zoned commercial regional and stated that commercial regional is for a
major shopping center.
Phylis Olson, Golden Ridge, asked what the tax rate is. The Planner replied that
he did not know what the tax rate is.
Joe Harding, 7060 hallow Creek Road is concerned about the view to the site from the
north. O'Brian replied that the view is limited.
Levitt asked if this area was within the shorel and ordinance. Tile Planner stated
that it is not.
approved
Planning Commission Minutes -5- July 28, 1980
L.-vitt asked now many acres will be graded at this point. Putnam answered that they
would grade 4 this year and 4 more next year.
TerJ esen asked if there is any realistic way to use this site except with 100%
grading. Putnam said that ultimately the entire site would be graded, but that they
would return for zoning approval on each site only with �a specific site plan.
Sutliff asked about the use of wood. O' Brian stated , cedar, redwood, a fiberglass
roof would by the materials and Mated that the park itself will have a Building
Owner' s Association.
Torjesen stated that he has no problems with wood or with driving through the park-
ing lot. He has a problem with the !End use and intensity of the land use.
Kay Gardner, Willow Creek Road, is concerned with everything looking 0e same.
Putnam feels that if the City wantea to make this area single family, townhouses ,
etc. , they should have decided that when the freeway went through. They are
operating on the assumption that the City runts development.
Torjesen commented that across U.S. 169 from the project is the Meat Cutter' s
project having only 15% building coverage.
Motion 1
Bentley moved to close the public hearing on the PUD & preliminary plat. Gartner
seconded, motion carried 5-0.
Motion 2
Bentley moved to recommend to the City Council denial of the PUD as per the staff
report of July 3, 1980 for the following reasons :
1. The concept is too genera? .
2. There is too much grading.
3. There is too much density.
4. The cul-de-sacs are not connected.
Gartner seconded, motion carried 5-0.
Motion 3
Bentley moved to recommend to the City Council denial of the rezoning from C-Reg
to Office for 8 acres (Lakeridge) based upon the plans of June 16, 1980 and the
staff report of July 3, 1980 with the _ same reasons as in Motion 2. Torjesen
seconded, motion carried 5-0.
Motion 4
Bentley moved to recommend to the City Council denial of the preliminary plat dated
6-16-80 as per the staff report of July 3, 1980 with the same basis as in Motion 2.
TcNjesen seconded, motion carried 5-0.
Motion 5
Beent�a moved to table the E.A.Id. Sutliff seconded, motion carried 5-0.
aved
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B. INTERSTATE DETROIT DIESEL PLLISON INC . Request for PUD Concept approval
.. , :.u� ���.,u,�, diiu Nai K Ubeb uri J1 acres located JGuth of Shady
Oak Road and West of U.S. 1E9-212 . A public hearing.
The Planner reviewed the Comprehensive Guide Plan . He then introduced Howard
Dahlgren , of Dahlgren Associates , and Mr. Gordon Galarneau , President, Interstate
Detroit Diesel Allison, Inc.
Galarneau explained what Interstate Diesel does and what their plans are for this
s•i te.
Dahlgren explained the vegetation , soil conditions , slopes , noise level , and
utilities . He stated that 60,000 sq. ft. will be office and 120,000 sq. ft. will
be warehouse. He stated that the amount of traffic to and from the site would be
between 600 and 700 vehicles per day. There will be 9% land coverage. They are
willing to dedicate 10 acres of the land fir a park and buffer to the single
family.
Bentley asked what type of zoning would be required if this plan were approved.
The Planner replied that 1-5 zoning would permit up to 50% office space.
The Planne,,• stated that PUD is a two step process. The first step is Concept.
The second step is zoning. He also stated that they must pick a zone closest
to PUD process and if they change their minds , they must cone beck to the City
again..
Galarneau s* 1=%d that there will be no maintenance or overhauling done. They will
fabricate engines and test them at this site.
Bentley asked about the noise. Galarneau replied that there. will be a specially
built test-cell to cut down the noise.
Phylis Olson, Golden Ridge, was planning to build a new house looking down on
their use. She feels that they would be destroying her view.
Jean Tangen stated that the people who live there would be the ones who would have
to look at this all the time.
Jerry Steilman, Golden Ridge, feels that the proponent put togethar a fantastic
project, but feels that it is the wrong land use.
Jim Perkins, 7012 Willow Creek Road, stated that it seems like they are trying to
create new ideas and commends them, but feels that they overlaoked other land more
properly suited for industrial .
Warren Gerecke, 6621 Golden Ridge , feels same as Jim Perkins, and is concerned
with the land use impact on the area surrounding the site .
Dun Sorensen, 7121 willow Creek Road , stated that the intended use is not a com-
patible land use over a long period of time.
Levitt asked if the site was in the major center area. The Planner replied no.
we
3pr
ved
Planning Commission Minutes -7- Juo ly28, 1980
Motion 1
Gartner moved to close the public hearing on the Detroit Diesel PUD. Bentley seconded ,
mot;on carried 5-0.
Motion 2
Tanner moved to recommend to the City Council denial of the P!�D as an incompat-
ible land use as per the plans dated July 25, 1980 based upon the July 25 , 1980
staff report. Toriesen seconded , motion carried 5-0.
C. NEILL WOODS 2ND ADDITION, by The Preserve . Request to rezone 1 . 3 acres
from Rural to . I-13 . 5. A public hearing.
The Planner reviewed the staff report dated July 23 , 1980. He also introduced
Lee Johnson, representing The Preserve.
Lee Johnson Stated that it consists of 4 lots on 2 acres .
Bentley asked if the lots are single lots . Johnson replied yes .
Motion
Bentley moved to recommend to the City Council rezoning of RI-13.5 for Neill Woods
2nd Addition as per the staff report of July 23 , 1980. Gartner seconded, motion
carried , 5-0.
D. REZONING TO RURAL IN SOUTHWESTERN EDEN PRAIRIE .
The Planner stated that the area is recommended for rezoning in the western area
of the comnuni ty.
Levitt asked what is allowed in the rural zone. The Planner replied agricultural
use and residences on 5 acre lots or larger.
Jim Vohs, Crestwood Terrace, agrees with rezoning.
Bob Blatt, Pioneer Trail , asked if there was a long range plan. He does not under-
stand the changing.
The Planner replied that although the land may ultimately be utilized in part for
industrial , because services were not accurately available to the area , the 1979
Guide Plan recommended zoning back to Rural .
Motion
Bentley moved to reco±amend to the City Council rezoning of the properties listed in
the July 28, 1980 memo to Rural Ditrict. Gartner seconded, motion carried 5-0.
VI . OLD BUSINESS
MQne
VII . NEW BUSINESS
done
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approved
Planning Comi ssion Minutes -8- July 2t;, 1966
VIII . PLANNER'S REPORT
None
Tor jesen asked what is con:i ng up. The Planner replied Superafineri ca and TiWier
Creek. He also stated that Standard Oil would be submitting a proposal .
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Gartner awed tc adjourn the mecti ng at 12:45 AN. Sutliff seconded , motion carried
5-0.