Planning Commission - 06/22/1992 EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
APPROVED MINUTES
MONDAY, JUNE 22, 1992 7:30 PM CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: TIM BAUER, KEN CLINTON, JAMES
HAWKINS, KATHERINE KARDELL, KAREN
NORMAN, DOUG SANDSTAD, MARY JANE
WISSNER.
STAFF MEMBERS: MICHAEL FRANZEN, SENIOR PLANNER,
SUBSTITUTE RECORDING SECRETARY
JENIFER BELLEFLEUR
Kenneth Clinton moved, seconded by Karen Norman to approve the agenda. Carried 7-0-0
Member reports - none.
Minutes of June 8, 1992: Hawkins has some revisions; some absences were not noted.
• Kardell moved, seconded by Clinton to approve the minutes-Carried 6-0-1 (Norman abstained).
Public Hearings
A. Glenshire
Franzen gave a history of the project and introduced Tom Robertson of Assoc.
Investments.
Hawkins asked about the shape of lot 13, the developer responded that the lot was shaped
this way to meet minimum lot size requirements.
Sandstad asked what the average lot size was; the minimum lot size is 9,500 sq. ft.
Sandstad also asked what the price range of the proposed homes will be; the developer
stated about $100,000.
Norman, Franzen and the developer discussed the desirability of architectural diversity
within the project.
Kardell asked what the price of the average lot within the development would be:
Robertson stated the lots will be priced in the 30's. Norman asked about restrictions on
the size of houses to be built on the lot. Franzen discussed the floor area ratio
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restrictions of 9.5 housing. The City can't control the price of houses built directly, but
can restrict the floor area ratio and thereby have some impact on the price of the homes.
Franzen pointed out that 9.5 housing has been effective in providing entry level housing
($110-120,000 housing).
Bauer asked what the compelling reason was to change to medium density residential
from church. Franzen stated that in the past the site has been too small for building a
church. Since the adjoining area is medium density residential and the Council has
previously stated that 9.5 should be in medium density designation of the Guide Plan,
this site is appropriate for medium density.
Pat McNaulty of 7299 Sunshine asked what the status of the trees behind his lot would
be. Franzen responded that a tree inventory had been done in 1988. The part of the site
being reviewed tonight doesn't have significant trees. The developer had been asked
prior to the meeting to revise the grading plan to save a cluster of trees and the plan has
been revised to reflect this change. Pat McNaulty also commented that his neighborhood
had never been perceived as entry level housing when he moved in. This type of
development was not foreseen. Commissioner Bauer commented that small lots don't
necessarily mean small houses anymore. The commissioners agreed that the 9.5 housing
issue needs to be addressed at a later time.
At Hawkins request, the developer again clarified the positioning of planned sidewalks.
Kardell moved, seconded by Hawkins, to close the public hearing - carried 7-0-0.
Motions #2 through#6 were moved by Norman and seconded by Clinton -all carried 7-
0. Bauer recommended sidewalks as a topic for the joint meeting with the City Council.
MOTION 1:
Move to close the public hearing, or continue.
MOTION 2•
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Associated Investors for
Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Church to Medium Density Residential on 4 acres,
based on plans dated May 22, 1992, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated
June 19, 1992, or continue, or deny.
MOTION 3:
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Associated Investors for
Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 30.6 acres, based on plans dated May 22, 1992,
subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated June 19, 1992, or continue, or deny.
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• MOTION 4:
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Associated Investors for
Planned Unit Development District Review within the R1-9.5 District with waivers, on 6.1
acres, based on plans dated May 22, 1992, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report
dated June 19, 1992, or continue, or deny.
MOTION 5:
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Associated Investors for
Zoning District Change from Church to Medium Density Residential on 6.1 acres for a single
family residential development, based on plans dated May 22, 1992, subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated May 19, 1992, or continue, or deny.
MOTION 6:
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Associated Investors for
Preliminary Plat of 6.1 acres into 19 lots and road right-of-way, based on plans dated May 22,
1992, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated June 19, 1992, or continue, or
deny.
• B. Borucki Addition
Franzen gave a history of the project, and introduced Jim & Paula Borucki.
Jim and Paula Borucki addressed the points on which the Council denied this request previously.
1. The proposed lot size is mathematically consistent with those in the surrounding area. 2.
The lot density is less than that allowed when figured differently. 3. One less driveway than
currently exists will reduce access to Rowland Road rather than increase it. 4. Front yard
setbacks can be met on both lots.
Kardell asked if the configuration of the lots has been changed since last submitted. Borucki
stated that the lot split was the same but the house placement was different. 5. The upgrade
of Rowland Road has changed the site distance and improved safety in the area. 6. The original
PUD indicated an intent to split the lot, the City recommended not to split the lot due to
condition of Rowland Road.
The Borucki's showed slides of property and pointed out proposed boundaries and the new home
- including a small detached garage for the original house on the site.
Staff Report - Franzen addressed the transition question. An acceptable transition can be
accomplished despite the difference in lot size based on a landscape mitigation plan. One lot
won't make a difference to the PUD as a whole, but the immediate neighborhood must be
. considered. A letter from the Ed Siebers is attached.
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Jim Carroll of 11815 Dunhill Road approached the Commission with a letter which stated
opposition to the division for safety reasons and a potential negative affect on surrounding
property values. Mr. Carroll's primary concern is the privacy of his lot due to the difference
in elevation between his lot and the proposed site for the new home. He wants a berm and large
trees to protect his privacy. He would rather see the lot split than a new garage built on the
existing site.
Nancy Dow of 11789 Dunhill addressed the Commission with her concerns of privacy also,
which she feels she'll lose if the lot is split. She wants the protection she's paid for from
decreased property values. She stated that their were no guarantees that the landscaping would
be completed. She also raised the question of who will pay for water/sewer access?
Franzen responded that the Borucki's would have to bear the cost of this to the best of his
knowledge.
Ed Sieber of 11792 Dunhill provided a letter regarding his opposition to the lot split, which is
attached. He pointed out that Lot 5 is a part of Carmel, not adjacent to it. The lot split would
increase density to an unacceptable level. Safety and clutter questions will reflect themselves
in property values if the lot is split.
Bauer stated that he is tentatively in favor of the project. Hawkins said that he is not in favor
due to density, the appearance of the rest of the neighborhood, and the fact that the Borucki's
• may move and the next property owner may not develop as shown here today.
Kardell pointed out that PUD's are regularly amended and she is for the development. Franzen
interjected that the plant materials could be more contiguous and that the developers agreement
would accompany any purchase of that land and include landscaping.
Sandstad feels the split is appropriate as submitted.
Clinton moved, seconded by Wissner to close the public hearing - motion carried 6-1.
Clinton moved, seconded by Hawkins, to deny approval of the Borucki's request for Preliminary
Plat. Motion carried 4-3.
MOTION 1:
Move to close the public hearing, or continue.
MOTION 2:
Move to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Jim Borucki for Preliminary
Plat of .62 acres into 2 single family lots within the R1-13.5 Zoning District based on plans
dated June 1, 1992, subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated June 19, 1992, or
continue, or deny.
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C. Fairfield West
Franzen give a brief history of the project and the staff report.
Tom Boyce/President of Centex Homes gave a brief history of Centex homes and stated that
although they are a large corporation, they operate more like a local homebuilder. He stated
that Fairfield West will be a smaller development than those usually built by Centex.
Dan Blake, Development Manager made a slide presentation of the site and addressed the
planned locations of the 41 lots on 23.5 acres. The new development will be tied in with
Fairfield with an at-grade crossing at Hennepin County Corridor.
Hawkins asked if the developer would bear the cost of safety measures regarding the rail
crossing.
The developer indicated that the Light Rail Authority would determine the safety measures but
didn't know who would pay for them.
Blake detailed how trees would be preserved at the site by: restricted house widths and depths,
retaining walls and root pruning, gentle grading and fencing during construction.
Al Wilson/Arborist with Rainbow Tree Care spoke briefly about tree preservation and stated that
• Centex is the first developer to approach tree preservation for each site within a development.
Blake stated for the record that 18% of the 29% target tree loss is to build the road with
sidewalk and bituminous trail, thus indicating the extreme care the developers have in mind.
Franzen stated that this is one of two large wooded areas left within the City of Eden Prairie.
The staff wants some "houses in the woods" rather than "more houses than woods" on the
property.
He also stated that the tree ordinance has been effective in reducing tree loss and that pad depth
is pertinent in predicting tree loss for a given development. Determining a proper lot size is the
most effective means of minimizing tree loss. The relative "flatness" of the site will also
minimize tree loss.
Hawkins asked about the contractors willingness to respect the guidelines set up at the
Commission level to protect trees. Boyce stated that all concerned wanted to save trees, and
education of the contractors would serve this purpose. Hawkins also commented that he felt the
City should not expend any financial resources to police this activity, and that he would like to
see a self inspecting mechanism.
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Kardell asked if the builder could deviate from the plan as proposed by building larger homes.
Kardell also asked if smaller lots could be built in the open area as a tradeoff for larger lots in
the woods.
Boyce answered that because the developer is the builder, they can guarantee that the home sizes
will remain the same as now proposed.
Public Hearing
No citizens were present to comment on the proposal.
Bauer moved, seconded by Norman to continue, motion carried 7-0.
MOTION: Move to continue to the July 27, 1992, Planning Commission Meeting.
D. Marsh Creek Golf Course
Rick Packer/Project Manager gave a comprehensive overview of the project, a Jack Nicklaus Signature
golf course with upscale housing (250 - 400 units), swim and tennis facilities, secured and gated with
single access.
• He stated that the project would have a minimum impact on wetlands present, minimize tree loss, and
protect water quality.
Staff Report
Franzen gave a overview and history of the project, roads, open space corridor, private
community/private streets, stormwater quality, traffic, wetlands & trees. He added that tonight's
meeting was for presentation and Public Hearing comments and that a Staff Report with
recommendations would be prepared for the July 27th meeting. He stated the policy issues were as
follows:
Public Hearing
Doug Heijvaert, 9002 Riley Lake Road. See letter from resident, attached. Heijvaert expressed
concern about the phosphorus content of Lake Riley.
Sandstad requested a copy of the water quality reports quoted by Heijvaert.
John Bushey, 900 Riley Lake Road. Agrees with Heijvaert. Bushey commented that wetlands are
not attractive and wanted to know what the limitations on modification of the wetlands would be, and
who would enforce these limitations. He also expressed concern about nutrient/sediment load into the
lake, and irrigation of golf course and its source, and sink/drain facilities. He stated that the fragility
of Riley Lake Road needs to be considered.
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• Bushey posed the question of whether a private/exclusive development is a part of the character the City
of Eden Prairie wants. He pointed out that the open space corridor needs to be public, along the creek
rather than behind the apartments as proposed.
Raymond Lewis, 9071 Lake Riley Blvd. Lewis asked about corridor access and pointed out that
traffic needs should be coordinated with the City of Chanhassen.
Lee Johnson of Orrin Thompson homes. Not in favor of the proposed Dell Road, or previously
proposed location by the City. He feels that the road won't withstand projected use.
Hawkins asked about inter-city cooperation on big developments such as this.
Franzen stated that the City of Eden Prairie has worked with Chanhassen on other projects in the past
and would talk to Chanhassen about Lake Riley Road.
Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton to close the public hearing, motion carried 7-0.
Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton to continue to the July 27th meeting, motion carried 7-0.
MOTION: Move to continue to the July 27, 1992, Planning Commission Meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton to adjourn the meeting at 12:15 a.m., motion carried 7-0.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMNIISSION
Monday, June 22, 1992
7:30 p.m.
COND41SSION MEMBERS. Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Karen Norman, Jim
Hawkins, Katherine Kardell, Doug Sandstad, Mary Jane
Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Chris Enger, Director of Planning; Michael D. Franzen,
Senior Planner; Donald Uram, Planner; Deb Edlund,
Recording Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance -- Roll Call
I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
H. MEMBERS REPORTS
III. MINUTES
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. GLENSHIRE.by Associated Investors. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan
Change on 4 acres from Church to Medium Density Residential, PUD Concept
Review on 30.6 acres. PUD District Review on 6.1 acres with waivers.
Rezoning from Rural to R1-9.5 on 6.1 acres. Preliminary Plat of 6.1 acres into
19 lots and road right-of-way. Location: East of Edenvale Boulevard, north of
Valley View Road.
B. BORUCKI ADDITION by Jim Borucki. Request for Preliminary Plat of .62
acres into 2 single family lots within the R1-13.5 Zoning Distict. Location: 6517
Rowland Road.
C. FAIRFIELD WEST by Centex Homes. Request for rezoning from Rural to R1-
13.5 on 23.5 acres. Preliminary Plat of 23.5 acres into 41 lots, 2 outlots and
road right-of-way. Location: West of Fairfield, south of Scenic Heights Road
#212.
D. MARSH CREEK GOLF COURSE by Sienna Corporation. , Request for
Comprehensive Guide Plan Change to relocate Dell Road, Scenic Heights Road
and from Public Open Space to Low Density Residential on 60 acres. PUD
Concept Review on 419 acres. Location: East of Riley Lake, north of Pioneer
Trail.
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Preliminary Agenda
Planning Commission
Monday, June 22, 1992
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V. OLD BUSINESS
VI. PLANNERS' REPORTS
A. Upcoming Agenda Items for July 13, 1992
VII. ADJOURNMENT
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