Planning Commission - 11/14/1994 APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIIRM PLANNING COMMISSION
November 14, 1994
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy
Foote, Katherine Kardell, Douglas
Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary
Jane Wissner
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
Elinda Bahley, Recording Secretary
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE-ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell.
Absent were Mary Jane Wissner. All other members were present.
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by Schlampp, to approve the Agenda as
published. Motion carried 6-0-0.
III. MINUTES
MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Foote, to approve the Minutes of
October 24, 1994 as published. Motion carried 5-0-1 with Sandstad
abstaining.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. PIONEER RIDGE 2ND ADDITION by R.H. Development. Request for
Rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5 and Preliminary Plat of 12.13 acres into 25
lots, one outlot and road right-of-way. Location County Road 4 and Pioneer
Trail.
Kardell stated that the County is changing the road alignment for Pioneer Trail
which affects the subdivision. This public hearing-is going to be continued to
the next Planning Commission on November 28th.
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. MOTION 1: Schlampp moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend
continuance until the November 28, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
B. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super
Valu Corporation. Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location:
North of Valley View Lane between Highway 212 and I-494.
Franzen stated that plans have changed over the last three months. Most of
the time was spent in neighborhood meetings with Super Valu working to
develop a consensus. Super Valu has been working several alternative plans to
address those concerns. The Staff Report is based on the latest plan as of the
end of October. There was a neighborhood meeting held last Thursday.
Super Valu and the neighbors have some additional thoughts on this current
proposal. Franzen introduced Tom Ryan of Super Valu for a brief
presentation after which he will review the Staff recommendations.
Tom Ryan, Super Valu, reviewed his project with the Planning Commission.
He said they have been working at the request of the Planning Commission to
modify the plan that they looked at on October 22nd. The plan at that time
was an 8 story building, approximately 252,000 square feet, and also several
smaller buildings which were adjacent to Highway 494. Since that time they
have met with the neighborhood group 5 times. The most recent meeting was
last Thursday evening. The plan has, instead of one 8 story building, two 4
• story buildings with approximately 220,000 square feet. They took
approximately 32,000 square feet from the initial building closest to the
existing facility and moved that 32,000 square feet into the smaller building
adjacent to Highway 494. They kept the same amount of footage. They also
moved the structured parking back approximately 60 feet to comply with the
200 foot setback of Bryant Lake and increased the berm between that property
and the lake. At Thursday's meeting with the neighborhood group, they
agreed to take the two 4 story buildings and reduce them to 3 stories keeping
the same number of square footage, simply spreading the footage. With the
second modification being that, they will raise the berm between the structured
parking and the lake approximately 6 feet so the top of the berm has an
elevation of 890 feet. They told the neighborhood group if they supported this
modification, they would agree to it and tonight ask the Planning Commission
to also support it and move forward to the Council.
Myles Lindberg, BRW, highlighted the changes that Tom Ryan mentioned
using a graphics map. He also showed photographs depicting the views from
the other side of the lake. He stated that one of the things Mr. Franzen was
after in his Staff Report and introduced Thursday night was the concept of
modifying the planting zones that were proposed in the landscape framework
plan so the edge of the lake is maintained more with needed plant material.
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Clinton expressed concern as to whether or not those trees are mostly
(deciduous) trees.
Lindberg replied that this particular image is mostly (deciduous) trees on the
lake. There are some conifers in there.
A resident from the audience asked if they had a photograph depicting the
winter to see what it would look like without the (deciduous) trees.
Lindberg stated, using a photograph, that this shows the top of the berm right
along here with no additional plant material. The material right on top, you
have to use your imagination a little bit.
Franzen reviewed the Staff Report with the Planning Commission. He stated
that on the 4 story plan, the purpose behind having a wider and taller berm
was to create a similar type of land form seen on the northeast side of the
building. It was also to reduce the height of the buildings as viewed from the
Lake.
Some of the displaced parking would go under the building instead of going
into the wooded portion on the west hill of the project.
A positive aspect of the 3 story plan is a taller berm with a shorter building.
. Staff would be comfortable with either a 4 story plan with a bigger berm or a
3 story plan with a shorter berm.
Sandstad asked if there was actually a plan for this latest 3 story proposal.
Franzen replied no, that it was something he had talked about with BRW this
afternoon. The Staff has not reviewed a 3 story plan.
Sandstad said he agrees with the more natural slope. His question was
addressed as to whether or not these plans exist or whether it's an idea of
modifying what they have.
Foote asked how many more trees does this take up for the 3 story plan.
Lindberg replied that the impact on changing the grade up the hill comes back
to the existing grade. It means there is about another 60 to 70 feet of grading
in the westerly direction. The grading will limit at this point just about right
at the top of the hill. Within that area modified, there was maybe a half a
dozen to 8 of the significant trees modified on the tree plan.
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Damon Fabor, landscape architect, representing Mr. and Mrs. James
Duncan, stated that Super Valu accommodated most of the changes they asked
for. He has been retained by the Duncans to represent them to make
objections to their view and make some suggestions on how the impact might
be modified. They asked that a 4 story building be reduced to the size of a 3
story, and top elevation of the 3 story be no higher than 910 which is what
Super Valu proposed. They asked that the parking deck be moved an
additional 60 feet or so to the west. Thirdly, they asked that the berm be
increased in height. They also asked that as much be landscaped as possible to
create additional buffering screening, and that "Old Baldy" be made as high as
possible.
The Duncans agreed with Mr. Franzen that if it were possible to go to a
steeper slope and possible to eliminate the wall, that might save dollars in
construction and give it a more natural effect. If not, they ask that the
retaining wall at that level be landscaped and screened. The landscape
material should be a combination of what has been termed "wetland transition"
and buffer.
In closing, they want to thank the Planning Commission for this opportunity to
speak, and Super Valu for these accommodations.
Jim Perkins. expressed concern of the need to take down "Old Baldy" to
• make room for 140 cars. In his opinion, this is a magnificent piece of
property and will be a great loss to Eden Prairie. He suggested moving a little
closer to the lower right hand side of the picture and making that an access
road that could be a part of the parking which would allow for 80, or 90 or
100 cars. He said their lake is going to be visited by 100,000 visitors next
year and they would like to keep this hill in tact and come up with something
else. He said he is in consensus with the neighbors.
Dan Grote, 7621 Willow Creek Road, reiterated that Super Valu has done a
fine job with working with the neighbors. He expressed concern that traffic
study be followed up on this. He is concerned with the impact of the volume
of people that would be coming and going not only from Super Valu but also
from the westerly building. It most likely will not be Super Valu but other
tenants that meet normal rush hour traffic.
Brian Duoos, residing at 77160 Willow Creek Road, expressed concern for
the small issues that may be a little premature at this point, but they need to be
addressed. He is concerned about the berming at the top of the addition,
lighting and the specifics of the plantings that they want to see. He said they
want to see it in writing as to what type of trees and the specific plantings.
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Sandstad agreed with the two comments on traffic and lighting. He said that
traffic on Valley View Road and the 494 ramp seem to be a real problem. He
asked if Franzen could paraphrase the solution.
Sandstad asked if the neighborhood concerns were of the existing lighting or
the concern of expansion of new lights.
Duoos replied that some of the neighbors have concerns about the existing
lighting. He said that on misty evenings or snowy evenings you can see the
lights from the Chevy dealership and they live a couple of miles from there.
Kardell stated the Planning Commission is looking at a plan that is a PUD
concept plan. The concerns of lighting and landscaping is something that
would be reviewed at rezoning. When she looks at the plan, it is not unusual
to trade what's happening on the site versus what's happening near the lake.
She wants to make sure that as a group, the homeowners realize that if it is
more important that the buildings be lower, they are bigger, and remove more
trees particularly on the southern part of the property. Also, these lower
buildings require larger footprints meaning "Old Baldy" can't be saved. She
expressed concern about the homeowners coming back in the future and saying
they are not happy with what's left of "Old Baldy".
Franzen stated that there isn't much in the Staff Report about traffic. From
. his own practical experience, he did not go home on Valley View Road, or
494 because of the signals. This situation occurs without Super Valu being
there at all. The City has considered adding signals on Valley View Road
which should ease congestion.
Staff is also looking at having Super Valu participate in traffic demand
management, much as employees at City Hall. We have many employees that
car pool. Staff is recommending traffic study required with Environmental
Impact Statement with improvements required to be incorporatee as a PUD
Amendment. There is the zoning phase where the City will look at building
construction plans, light plans and landscaping plans. The Commission will
review traffic at that time also.
Kent Molde, 6961 Beach Road, agreed with the three-story plan with the
taller berm on the southeast end. He felt that the solution was bias towards
the views of the site from the south bay of Bryant Lake. The four story
buildings is a concern to those who live on the northwest end of Bryant Lake.
He felt the density of the site is too high overall. Mr. Molde indicated that the
transfer of an additional story on to the buildings at the west end of the site is
not acceptable.
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Kardell asked if there were any other questions of the City staff or Super
Valu. Bauer indicated that he was unable to comment on the three-story
proposal without the benefit of a plan for review and the Staff
recommendation. For these reasons he felt that the project should be
continued. Schlampp concurred with Commissioner Bauer that a continuance
is in order for a review of the new three-story plan presented this evening.
Kardell asked what direction the Planning Commission should give to City
staff. Bauer indicated he was not sure if the three-story plan was the correct
approach towards developing this property.
Tom Ryan of Super Valu indicated that they brought the three-story plan to the
Planning Commission based upon the input of the neighborhood at a meeting
last Thursday. Commissioner Bauer indicated that he came here this evening
to approve a four-story plan with modifications as recommended by City staff.
He said he was uncertain if the neighborhood was in support of the three-story
concept or not. Sandstad questioned Franzen about his concerns about the
three-story plan. Franzen indicated that he believed that the three story plan
had some promising aspects because of the reduced building height, but could
not comment on whether or not there would be negative impact such as
additional tree loss or building setbacks closer to the inteAor ponds.
Brian Duoos, neighborhood resident, indicated he felt everybody was in
support of the three story building.
• Tom Ryan representing Super Valu indicated that there are trade-offs and from
a corporate point of view, the four story plan is better for Super Valu. Super
Valu agreed with the neighborhood that a three story building was possible,
but would result in a greater impact on "Old Baldy". He indicated that Super
Valu was unwilling to reduce the density on the west end.
Dick Wilz, neighborhood resident, believe that the neighborhood came to an
intelligent agreement about the three story building preferred. He indicated he
could view "Old Baldy" from the Willow Creek neighborhood and that it
currently screens a lot of the existing site. He asked if the "Old Baldy" could
be partially protected.
Clinton indicated that he conceptually supported a three story plan.
Kardell indicated she had just heard about the three story plan earlier this
afternoon and felt that a continuance was in order. She felt if the Commission
generally concurred with the three story approach, the final plan could be
submitted for Commission review on November 28, and the project could be
published for a December 6 City Council meeting. Kardell indicated her
concern was the relationship of the building to the lake. If a taller berm could
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be accomplished with a steeper slope, and retaining wall as opposed to
accomplishing all underground parking, that she would be open to that.
Bauer indicated that a continuance may be the approach to go, but from his
point of view the neighborhood consensus seemed to be conditional.
Jim McNeil, neighborhood resident, believes Bauer indicated at the August
22 Planning Commission Meeting that he was supportive of the original eight
story plan. He questioned why Mr. Bauer is so concerned about a three story
building plan at this point.
Kardell said she felt there was a general consensus to review the three story
plan. She reiterated that this is the PUD Concept and that other details on
landscaping, grading, retaining walls, and traffic will be reviewed as we move
forward with the EAW and the future rezoning and preliminary plat
applications. She added the Staff report for the next meeting should compare
the four story plan as amended by City staff to the three story proposal
presented this evening. Foote indicated his preference for the three story
approach but was concerned about the removal of "Old Baldy" because in his
opinion it was a significant site feature.
Kardell indicated that the encroachment on to "Old Baldy" was a trade-off for
providing a better relationship of the project to Bryant Lake.
• Schlampp indicated it is hard to approve a project without having final plans.
He added that the Commission has a responsibility to review, comment and
recommend on a final concept plan before passing this on to the City Council.
MOTION 1: Sandstad moved, seconded by Clinton, to continue the item until
the November 28, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
The Planning Commission voted unanimously to continue the project. The
Commission indicated that if Super Valu was not prepared for a final plan and
action on November 28, that Super Valu would be responsible for all costs
incurred with renotification of the neighborhood of a continuance at the City
Council meeting.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS
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IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by ScWampp, to adjourn the meeting.
Motion carried 6-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, November 14, 1994
7:00 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Katherine Kardell,
Douglas Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu Corporation.
Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of Valley View Lane,
between Highway 212 and I-494.
B. PIONEER RIDGE 2ND ADDITION by R. H. Development. Request for Rezoning from
Rural to R1-13.5 and Preliminary Plat of 12.13 acres into 25 lots, one outlot and road right-of-
way. Location: County Road 4 and Pioneer Trail.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMIVIISSION
November 28, 1994
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote,
Katherine Kardell, Douglas Sandstad, Edward
Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
Linda Bailey, Recording Secretary
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE-ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell. All
members were present.
. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by Schlampp, to approve the Agenda as
published. Motion carried 7-0-0
III. MINUTES
MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Clinton, to approve the Minutes of
November 14, 1994 as published. Motion carried 6-0-1 with Wissner abstaining.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu
Corporation. Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of
Valley View Lane, between Highway 212 and I-494.
Franzen stated that the last time the Planning Commission looked at this project, they
were debating the merits of the 4 story plan and the 3 story plan. Since that meeting,
Staff met with Super Valu and together came up with plans that combined the best
parts of both approaches into a new 3 story plan which is described in the packets.
Franzen introduced Tom Ryan of Super Valu.
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Tom Ryan, Super Valu, introduced Myles Lindberg who would speak for the issues
discussed at the last meeting. They have worked with Staff and attempted to answer
most of the questions and issues that were discussed.
Myles Lindberg, BRW, highlighted the changes that were made using visual aids.
Franzen stated that Mr. Lindberg summarized all of the plan changes. The only
comment he would like to make in regard to the Staff Report are recommendations,
for approval, on page 3 of the Staff Report. A couple of things that are important to
note is that Super Valu still has additional steps to go through after the PUD review,
including the preparation of the EAW, and a traffic study. Both of these would be
coming back at the Planning Commission and the City Council for review, and the
findings of both those documents would be incorporated into an amendment to the
plans. At the rezoning stage, that outlot would become a permanent conservency
easement. Once that occurs, it doesn't allow any further development. It will be
preserved in it's natural state forever.
Julie Molde, 6961 Beach Road, expressed concern of having a 4 story structure
would be very visible from anyone using the lake.
Damon Fabor„ landseaue architect, representing Mr. and Mrs. James Duncan,
stated that they appreciate the work that Super Valu has done to accommodate the
• concerns expressed at the last Planning Commission meeting, especially with regard
to "Old Baldy" being retained where possible and with the 200 foot setback. They
also appreciate the building going 3 stories rather than 4 stories and the elevation.
The berm is natural in character and going to 890 is acceptable.
Fabor expressed concern as to whether or not that 890 elevation continues along the
high point, and if it does, that's acceptable.
Lindberg replied that the 890 elevation does continue along the high point.
Jim Perkins. 7012 Willow Creek Road} stated that he is happy that they are
preserving the height of "Old Baldy", and supports the project. He expressed concern
about starting planting material early on as Mr. Schlampp had suggested.
Jim Gebhardt, 7140 Willow Creek Roads stated that plans have been made which
are acceptable to both the residents and Super Valu, but in no way is this equal to an
endorsement. He said this is an acceptable solution, and an endorsement by everyone
would be no additional development at all, and anything short of that would be better.
He expressed concerns about traffic, tree loss, and the height of "Old Baldy."
Sandstad asked if anyone could confirm what the elevations were for the level at the
west building or roof line of the west 4 story office, and the approximate ground level
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on Beach Road. He said he would like to compare those ground levels.
Lindberg replied that the ground level is proposed at an elevation of 874. The 4 story
height top would be at an elevation of 934 with 60 feet of height. He said he was not
sure of the exact elevation at Beach Road, but would guess at probably 6 to 8 feet
higher than the lake. The lake is 860. It would be somewhere in the 60 to 65 range.
Wissner expressed concern as to whether there has been any reaction to changes to
"Old Baldy" from other people other than the residents on Bryant Lake and on Beach
Road.
Franzen replied that the only feedback the Staff has received has been through the
Public Hearing process, so it's been primarily from the residents of Bryant Lake.
Foote expressed concern of what the distance is from the homes on Beach Road to
where the 4 story building would be.
Lindberg replied that it is approximately 2000 feet, about a 1/3 of a mile.
Schlampp stated this is a reasonable plan for the property which addresses the
concerns of the Planning Commission. He is very comfortable with it and supports
it.
• MOTION 1: Schlampp moved, seconded by Clinton, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 2: Schlampp moved, seconded by Clinton, to move to recommend to the
City Council approval of the request of Super Valu Corporation for PUD Concept
Review on 135 acres based on plans dated November 23, 1994, and subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated November 23, 1994. Motion carried 7-0-
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B. PIONEER RIDGE 2ND ADDITION by R. H. Development. Request for Rezoning
from Rural to R1-13.5 and Preliminary Plat of 12.13 acres into 25 lots, one outlot
and road right-of-way. Location: County Road 4 and Pioneer Trail.
The Developer is waiting for a written commitment from the Hennepin County right-
of-way attorney's office as to what kind of compensation they would get for the
additional right-of-way. They are asking for a 2 week continuance until the
December 12, 1994 meeting.
MOTION 1: Clinton moved, seconded by Schlampp, to recommend continuance
until the December 12, 1994 meeting.
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C. LOOSEN ADDITION by Michael and Patricia Loosen. Request for Zoning District
Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 2.43 acres, Preliminary Plat of 7.73 acres into 4
lots and 1 outlot. Location: City West Parkway and Old Shady Oak Road.
Franzen stated there are 2 primary questions to ask about the property. The first one
has to do with the access. The second question is the type of density that the site can
support.
Franzen introduced Michael Loosen, the owner of the property who would give a
brief presentation, after which he will go over the Staff recommendations.
Michael Loosen, owner, stated that he is concerned about the access, and the
conservency easement across the western boundary: He agreed to the turnaround, but
did not want Conservancy Easements or density restrictions on Outlot A. He felt
these should be determined when he's ready to develop Outlot A. Using sketches of
the plan, he reviewed his project with the Planning Commission.
Franzen stated that Attachment B on the Staff Report shows 3 potential locations for
the public road access and an alternative.
Number 1 would be coming up a very steep grade, so they ruled that out.
• Alignment #2 would be coming through the developer's property, but that would
require considerable fill on the Pavelka property, so that was ruled out as an option.
The only real option for access to the top of the property would be by the existing
private drive which comes down across Mr. Loosen's existing lot and comes out
between the daycare center and Super America. There's an access drive shared in the
back of that location.
Outlot A on Attachment B is an area that Mr. Loosen is reserving for development in
the future. On alignment #3 the grades are level between the 2 sites and it's likely
that a public road would be built into that location.
Staff's recommendation regarding the access would be for the 4 lots on the top of the
hill to be a private drive with a 12% grade and cross access, and maintenance
agreement. This has been done on other projects in sensitive areas where they don't
have very high density.
The second question for this property is how much density can this site support.
Staff suggested that a density of about 1 unit per acre would be appropriate
considering that part of the access is a private drive.
Staff's recommendation refers to limiting the density to no more than 3 additional
4
units off the public road. The reason for that is the Staff does not have a specific
development plan. They are looking at topography, slopes and trees without having
specific plans cannot say if additional density is possible on Outlot A.
Staff reviewed with the Planning Commission the alternative courses of action as
listed in the Staff Report on page 5.
Clinton asked if 12% is the highest grade in the City.
Franzen replied that 12% is the maximum grade that the City would allow for a
private drive-way access.
Foote expressed concern that it seemed to be a lot more than 12%, that it looked a lot
steeper than that.
Clinton asked who would handle snow removal for the homeowners.
Loosen replied that he refers to the drive-way association and they would get together
and hire one contractor to remove all the snow.
Kardell asked Loosen if he maintains the private road all the way out to the City West
Parkway.
• Loosen replied that he maintains only to the bottom of his hill.
Kardell asked who maintains the rest of it.
Loosen replied that it's shared by the other properties in the development.
Wissner asked why when Loosen built his house last year and went through the
variance of the fact of building on less than 10 acres, didn't he do the whole thing at
the same time.
Loosen replied that he didn't have a lot of insight regarding it.
Bauer stated that this is the type of project that he struggles with. He was out there
today and could not visualize how to access the property or if it could be developed.
Loosen replied that he felt the same way until he built a house there and how easy it
was to develop it. Before he put a road up there, he really couldn't see it.
Wissner asked if there was any problem coming through the Pavelka property sewer.
Loosen replied that it's all worked out.
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Steven Pavelka, stated that his mother owns the property at 324 Shady Oak Road
adjacent to the south of Mr. Loosen's property. He expressed concern about the
same kind of situation happening as on Cherokee Trail with Galarneau. He felt
commercial should be permitted on the east portion of the Pavelka property.
Sandstad asked how the property is guided.
Franzen replied that the property is guided all low density residential for the Pavelka
property west of Old Shady Oak Road. East of the Old Shady Oak Road is also Low
Density Residential and owned by Pavelka. Commercial would be appropriate east of
Old Shady Oak Road.
Wissner stated that she is very uneasy with this because when she went out there she
was very confused, and had a hard time visualizing this. What she read and what she
saw were different. She is uncomfortable but wants to be reassured that it's okay.
She expressed concern about people wanting to put sprinklers throughout their house
in single family homes.
Franzen replied that because of the value of the homes and the size of the homes, this
has been done in the past.
Sandstad stated that there is a new plastic type pipe system used in homes. He said
• it"s usually used in larger homes versus smaller homes.
Wissner asked if the Planning Commission is just approving the change.
Franzen replied that they are approving the preliminary plat of four lots and one
outlot.
Sandstad stated that the plan looks good as proposed. He would like to see a little
clarification on the conservancy easement. He would to include in the plat the
conservancy easement at least on lots 1 through 4 and leave outlot A for the future.
Sandstad stated that he would be more comfortable with the numbered lots having that
conservancy easement shown on the plans at this point. He suggested that the
possible boundaries of this conservancy easement be linear with some visual marker
to remind the residents that there is something beyond that point.
Foote stated that he was under the impression that if the turn-around was put in, they
don"t have to have the sprinklers.
Franzen replied that you can do either or both.
Foote said the project looks fine to him, and he agrees with Bauer and Wissner that
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the project is different.
Kardell stated that she is having difficulty visualizing this plan. She feels strongly
about the conservancy easement. She said Sandstad"s approach would be just fine as
long as it becomes very clear that the intent is that what ultimately happens in outlot
A is to be carried over on that property as well. In terms of the density overall, she
would be comfortable with what works out to be possibly 1 unit per acre. But again,
that was one of the issues Franzen raised and it would be appropriate for the Planning
Commission to say that they agree with limiting it to that. She wants it clear that the
-intent is nothing more than that.
Franzen stated that Mr. Loosen sees this as a restriction on future development and he
doesn't want to be held with that. This might prevent him from doing anything
additional in the future.
Sandstad suggested a guideline, not a flexible rule.
Kardell asked how valuable this would be.
Sandstad replied that it would be part of the record for these proceedings, and if
Council agrees the petitioner will require to comply.
• Franzen suggested restructuring a condition to a density base of 3 units for Outlot A
with additional units possible provided no greater than the 12% tree loss as proposed
and a comparable amount of conservancy easement on a per lot basis as the first
phase.
Kardell supports this but wants to make sure the Planning Commission addresses the
easement and the density issues in their recommendation.
Clinton expressed concern for all the projects that have private drives. There are two
near him and he doesn't see them as being very practical in the way you have to get
up to the home at night.
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 2: Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton, to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Michael and Patricia Loosen for Zoning district Change
from Rural to R1-13.5 on 2.43 acres based on plans dated November 23, 1994 subject
to the following amendments:
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1. The Western 25% of the numbered lots should be included within a
conservancy easement and the expectation is that a future similar feature of
outlot A would be encumbered by a conservancy easement.
2. Recommend that the conservancy easement be physically delineated with posts
on the side lot lines where the easement crosses just to delineate it from the
public.
3. The density of approximately 3 additional units on Outlot A provided a 12%
tree loss a comparable size conservancy easements to protect trees, slopes, and
wetlands.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 3: Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton, to move to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Michael and Patricia Loosen for Preliminary Plat
of 7.73 acres based on plans dated November 15, 1994, and subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated November 23, 1994 as amended.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
• None.
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
None.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
Kardell discussed with the Planning Commission her conversation with Craig Dawson
and Don Uram about the liquor store land acquisition across from Cub, and the use of
tax incremented money possibly to fund that acquisition. She was concerned to see
that the City is going to spend possibly up to $600,000.00 of that money to buy land
for that liquor store, subject to legal approval. She felt money should be used for
affordable housing projects. A decision for use of funds for the liquor store
undermines of the work that she and others on the housing committee have done over
the last several years.
Sandstad stated that he share her concerns.
Wissner stated that her concerns come out of being on the Board of Directors of the
Eden Prairie Chamber of Commerce and she spoke from that aspect. Recently she
had a lot of people say to her that they didn't build in Eden Prairie because they got
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no help. There was no executive money available and they had gone else where. She
is very concerned to find out that the City is doing a liquor store maybe with
executive money. It bothers her very much that there was money for this but not for
funding housing.
VIII. PLANNERS REPORTS - McDonald's Play Structure Addition
Franzen showed photographs taken of an existing McDonald's play structure in
Maplewood that the City Council voted to use a similar approach in Eden Prairie.
Franzen discussed briefly the items on the agenda at the next Planning Commission
such as:
1. Pioneer Ridge 2nd Addition
2. Broich Addition
3. Cedar Hills Registered Land Survey
4. Challenge Printing
5. Metro Printing
Sandstad requested an up to date memorandum from Bob Lambert on the acquisition
of sites for the natural resources referendum.
• IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Kardell moved, seconded by Sandstad, to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried 7-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, November 28, 1994
107:00 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Katherine Kardell,
Douglas Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
M. MINUTES
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu Corporation.
Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of Valley View Lane,
between Highway 212 and I-494.
B. PIONEER RIDGE 2ND ADDITION by R. H. Development. Request for Rezoning from
Rural to R1-13.5 and Preliminary Plat of 12.13 acres into 25 lots, one outlot and road right-of-
way. Location: County Road 4 and Pioneer Trail.
C. LOOSEN ADDITION by Michael and Patricia Loosen. Request for Zoning District Change
from Rural to R1-13.5 on 2.43 acres, Preliminary Plat of 7.73 acres into 4 lots and 1 outlot.
Location: City West Parkway and Old Shady Oak Road.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS - McDonald's Play Structure Addition
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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