Planning Commission - 09/26/1994 • APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
September 26, 1994
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy
Foote, Katherine Kardell, Douglas
Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane
Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
Donald R. Uram, Planner
Linda Bahley, Recording Secretary
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE-ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell.
Absent was Kenneth E. Clinton. All other members present.
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H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Sandstad moved, seconded by Wissner, to approve the Agenda as
published. Motion carried 6-0-0.
III. MINUTES
MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Foote, to approve the Minutes of
September 12, 1994 as amended: on page 8 under the heading Westgate
Substation, all three motions were moved by Bauer, seconded by Clinton, and
the motions carried 6-0-1 with Foote abstaining. Motion carried 6-0-0.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAY ORDINANCE
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Wissner, to continue the item to the
October 10, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
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B. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super
Valu Corporation. Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location:
North of Valley View Lane, between Highway 212 and I-494.
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Schlampp, to continue the item to
the October 24, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
C. LAKESIDE by K-P Properties, Inc. Request for Zoning District Change from
Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.04 acres and Preliminary Plat of 11.04 acres into 16
single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: Duck Lake Road and
Duck Lake Trail.
Franzen stated that the applicant has submitted a letter stating that the project is
being withdrawn.
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Schlampp, to close the public
hearing and return the plans to the proponent without prejudice. Motion
carried 6-0-0.
D. BEAR-PATH 4TH ADDITION by Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation. Request
for PUD District Amendment to the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres, Preliminary
Plat of 51 acres into 9 single family lots and 4 outlots, Zoning District Change
from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres. Location: Dell Road and Highway 212.
• Franzen stated that this is a report that was put together by Don Uram, Barb
Cross and Jeff Johnson. The plans have been revised according to the
Planning Commission's recommendation, and the Staff would recommend
approval of the project.
MOTION 1: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public
hearing. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 2: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for PUD
District Amendment to the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres, based on plans dated
September 19, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report
dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 3: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for
Preliminary Plat of 51 acres based on plans dated September 19, 1994, and
subject to the recommendation of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994.
Motion carried 6-0-0.
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MOTION 4: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
• Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for
Rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres based on plans dated September
19, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated
September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
E. LAKE EDENVIEW TOWNHOMES by Thompson Land Development.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Commercial to Medium
Density Residential on 1.64 acres and Low Density Residential to Medium
Density Residential on .93 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 2.6
acres, Preliminary Plat of 2.6 acres into 8 lots and 1 outlot, and Site Plan
Review on 2.6 acres. Location: Franlo Road, south of Prairie Center Drive.
Bauer stated that in accordance with standard policy, he would be stepping
down from this matter due to a conflict of interest.
Franzen stated uses on the western 1.64 acres of this site is guided
commercial. The eastern .93 acres of the site is guided low density residential.
Staff has listed reasons for Guide Plan change in the Staff Report as one of the
options. Franzen introduced Lee Johnson, who is the developer representing
the project.
Lee Johnson, developer representing Lake Edenview Townhomes, reviewed his
• project with the Planning Commission using visual aids. He stated that he is
the owner of this property and works for Orrin Thompson Homes which will
be building on the property. He said he expects to live in one of the units, so
he will be one of the owners of the units.
The site is 2.6 acres in total. Using the site plan as proposed, it calls for 4
twinhomes with 8 units which places the density at a little over 3 units per
acre. There are attached double garages for each unit. The total outside
parking is 27 units which includes guest parking-- with no overnight parking,
in 4 locations plus the driveway parking. There are approximately over 5
parking places per unit.
The units are one story empty nester type building. They are maintenance
free, vinyl siding, brick front buildings. The square footage is 1600 to 1800
square feet per unit on one floor, with finished basements. Most of the units
will run between 2500 to 3500 square feet finished. The unites exceed the
minimum square footage. All the units will be walk-outs. The constructed
value of the units will be in excess of$200.000.00.
The homeowners association will be responsible for the building on-site
maintenance, grass cutting, etc. The site has a private road and they will be
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maintained by the homeowners association. There are no variance requests for
ithe setbacks in this subdivision. The distance from the intersection is 170 feet
and the minimum on the ordinance is 100 feet. North and west of the roadway
will be owned by the homeowners association and that will be the access to the
road. Everything else will be owned by the individual homeowner.
Regarding grading, the tree loss will be approximately 14%, and that will only
be cut down as needed, therefore, it might not even reach that amount. There
are no requests for wetland mitigation. The borings show in all locations that
there are between 2 to 4 feet of top soil. The ground water shown on the
borings is 2 to 4 feet below the existing grade. They will be raising that grade
so that means that the ground water is 5 feet below the basement elevations.
Regarding the drainage of the site on Franlo Road, this water drains to the
north side, therefore, most of the water, if not all the water on Franlo Road, is
on the north side of the road.
Sandstad asked if they thought about the driveway location where it is
connected with Franlo Road, in regards to the Staff Report suggestion to move
it a little bit north which would raise the grade a little, but it would change the
landscaping and move it further from the single family home area. He asked
how that would effect drainage, setbacks and landscaping.
Johnson replied that this road should go down as far this way as it can because
of the grading of Franlo Road. This is the only access point on his property.
Kardell asked how this would effect drainage, setbacks and landscaping.
Johnson stated that instead of grading this into a slope, he will put a retaining
wall and then he can build a wall on the road closer to that tree, rather than
sloping the ground down to the tree. He said there is an existing berm
constructed off on the property south, so that none of the water on his site will
get into the backyards of these units. There is drainage down the property
line, but that's where drainage is suppose to go. He said by moving this road
over he can open up so this is not as sharp a drainage area, but it's still where
the drainage should go. The water going down the property line will be less
than it is now.
Kardell asked him to please discuss the effects of the setbacks of moving the
one unit further to the north.
Johnson replied that 3 more large oak trees plus considerable 2 - 10 inch oaks
would be lost. The additional 15 feet of setback on the south would provide
room for more trees but he believed that screening is not necessary because of
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the 150 foot building setback.
Sandstad commented to the homeowners in the audience that the map Mr.
Johnson is referring to is to scale horizontally, not drawn to scale. He said it
looks like it's 30%, but it's actually 7%.
Johnson showed 2 photographs of 2 homes which reflect the access point, the
berm that exists there and the trees that are planted on the berm. He said there
were a number of concerns from the meeting he had with the residents, and is
aware that they met with the planner and had written letters. He looked at
their concerns long and hard. As far as location, he does not see how this
location can be any different. He said it can shift one way or the other
slightly. He can maybe even put a 15 degree, so it can end at a slight angle to
the road to have some effect as far as any headlights. He said if he puts a
retaining wall he can move this road up to within 5 or 6 feet and doesn't
expect on any more impact. He does not feel a reasonable solution is to
eliminate trees.
Kardell asked for clarification regarding where the cut of the road is entering
this property from the end of the guard rail.
Johnson replied that the guard rail shown with the dotted line is 60 to 70 feet.
He stated that as far as the entrance problem, he can move it over a little and
• there will be more room to put some landscaping in to build up the building
masses. He said he is meeting and exceeding all the requirements for this
project.
Schlampp asked how much of the 2.6 acres is going to become building sites,
driveways, roads, etc.
Johnson replied approximately 35,000 square feet of hard surface.
Schlampp stated approximately 1/3 of the area is going to be absorbed. He
stated that everything is going to drain down to Lake Eden except on the north
side down on to Franlo Road. The grade then drops there and it drains to the
south. He asked for clarification on this.
Johnson replied there are drainage ways and there will be run off that would
temporarily correct that before it gets to the silt fence.
Schlampp asked what happens to the temporary sediment pond when that silt
fence is removed.
Johnson replied it is then removed.
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Schlampp commented that all the water moved down ends up in Lake Eden.
He said it's entering a great deal of it into the wetland that drains on the
northwest corner. There is no containment of that drainage bringing it around
into any other area except general sheeting down into the lake, into the
wetland, especially since the sedimentation ponds are taken out.
Johnson stated that the volume of water is very small. He said he talked to the
City Engineer and the Watershed Engineers. Lake Eden itself is a NURP
pond. It's the opinion of the City and the City Engineer that the volume of
water is so small, and the incremental change is that NURP ponds are not
necessary.
Schlampp stated there will be substantial runoff because of the loss of
percolation into the soil and there are developed sedimentation ponds.
Franzen stated last Tuesday he went to the home of Jon Englund for a meeting
with the neighbors. The neighbor's concerns were access, safety, drainage and
transition. The City Engineer looked at the slope as you come up the driveway
from the street. The Engineering Department recommends a 2% landing area
that's very flat as measured from the curb. The drainage plan as proposed has
a swale along the common property line which directs water in a westerly
direction towards Lake Eden. Drainage utility easements with drainage swales
along rear lot lines is typical in many subdivisions. The drainage along the
• common property line can be improved by shifting the driveway 15 feet to the
north. This would create a more defined swale along the common property
line for better drainage. Use of the B6-12 curb as compared to the
surmountable curb will channel water further down the private drive beyond
the first twinhome building where a swale will take it out into City property.
Where the driveway access is cut on Franlo Road, a channel gutter will be
installed which will direct water towards catch basins near Grier Lane. Staff
recommends shifting the driveway to the north, and accommodating the
recommended landing area. The road grade would increase to 10%. Staff also
recommends providing a revised landscape plan with a buffer zone of conifer
trees between 8 to 10 feet high in height within the 25 foot edge along the
south property line.
Ray Hoveland, 11924 Joy Circle, expressed concern about drainage, the
safety of project, the driveway and the visibility. He would like to see more
of the planning in this project to creating a better drainage system. He said he
is not anti-townhome or anti-project development. His home has a long history
of drainage problems and this will only make it worse unless they solve the
problem.
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Jon Englund, 11912 Joy Circle~ expressed concern about the safety features,
and the water drainage compounding his existing drainage problem.
Joe Zweber, 11917, Joy Circle, expressed concern about the traffic conditions
coming into the project, and how the screening will be done. He said he
supports the project.
Sandstad requested that Staff take a look at the saturated ground in the
neighborhood for the existing homes if the Planning Commission decides to
continue this in 2 weeks. He said he does not want to aggravate an existing
problem. He stated the project is better as residential than commercial. He
would prefer to see more distance between the buildings on the south side and
the single family homes, and a little improvement on the driveway.
Foote said he agrees with Sandstad and would like to see the drainage looked
at. He does not want to add to the resident's problems. He believes this is
better as residential than as a commercial project. He would like to see a
revised plan accommodating the resident's concerns.
Schlampp supports the project but would like to see more focus on the drainage
problem.
Wissner expressed concern about the water problems. She said the project will
• be an asset to the neighborhood but just get rid of the water problem. She
asked for clarification between townhomes and twinhomes.
Johnson stated this is a townhouse project without any middle units.
Kardell said she likes the residential as opposed to commercial. She wants
Staff to have the Engineering Department look at the property to find out how
to improve the drainage. She recommends changing the road slightly and have
specific landscaping plans to share with the neighbors in advance of the
Planning Commission, not at the meeting. She said the townhomes are a nice
transition particularly if the land to the north doesn't develop commercial.
MOTION 1: Schlampp moved, seconded by Wissner, to continue to October
101 1994. Motion carried 5-0-0.
F. CITY WEST ACRES/CENTRON DPL COMPANY by Ryan Construction
Company of Minnesota. Request for PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres,
PUD District Review on 12.4 acres, Zoning District Amendment in the I-2
Park Zoning District on 12.4 acres, Preliminary Plat of 12.4 acres into two
lots and Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres. Location: City West Parkway, North
of City West Business Center.
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Franzen stated there have been 4 projects already approved on this site. He
10 said this is a project that is part of a PUD that has specific requirements in
terms of landscaping, brick requirements and screening. He said they are
splitting it up into 2 separate projects. He said the developers are prepared
with a presentation if the Planning Commission feels it necessary.
The Planning Commission declined the developer's presentation as they felt it
was not necessary.
Franzen stated page 4 of the Staff Report lists all recommendations of Staff.
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 2: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota
for PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23,
1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September
23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 3: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota
for PUD District Review on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23,
• 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September
23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 4: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota
for Zoning District Amendment in the I-2 Park Zoning District on 12.4 acres,
based on plans dated September 23, 1994, and subject to the recommendations
of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 5: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota
for Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994,
and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23,
1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 6: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City
Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota
for Preliminary Plat on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994,
and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23,
1994. Motion carried 6-0-0.
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V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
None.
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
The Planning Commissioners expressed disappointment about the City Council
decision to approve twinhomes between the two office buildings in the
Hartford project. The Planning Commission was not sure what the rationale
was for the perceived quick decision, and that the reasons for approving the
rezoning were unclear. All the Planning Commissioners were present except
for Ken Clinton. Motion carried 4-0-1 with Clinton abstaining.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
None.
VHL PLANNERS' REPORTS
None.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
• MOTION: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to adjourn the meeting.
Motion carried 6-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 P.M.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, September 26, 1994
P.M.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Katherine Kardell,
Douglas Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner
Don Uram, Planner
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAY ORDINANCE
B. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu Corporation. Request for PUD
Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of Valley View Lane, between Highway 212 and I-494.
C. LAKESIDE by K-P Properties, Inc. Request for Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.04 acres.
Preliminary Plat of 11.04 acres into 16 single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: Duck Lake Road and
Duck Lake Trail.
D. BEARPATH 4TH ADDITION by Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation. Request for PUD District Amendment to
the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres,Preliminary Plat of 51 acres into 9 single family lots and 4 outlots, and Rezoning
from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres. Location: Dell Road and Highway 212.
E. LAKE EDENVIEW TOWNHOMES by Thompson Land Development. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan
Change from Commercial to Medium Density Residential on 1.64 acres and Low Density Residential to Medium
Density Residential on.93 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 2.6 acres, Preliminary Plat of 2.6 acres into
8 lots, and Site Plan Review on 2.6 acres. Location: Franlo Road, south of Prairie Center Drive.
F. CITY WEST ACRES/CENTRON DPL COMPANY by Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota. Request for
PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres,PUD District Review on 12.4 acres,Preliminary Plat of 12.4 acres into 2 lots
and Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres. Location: City West Parkway, North of City West Business Center.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VII. NEW BUSINESS
VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS
a IX. ADJOURNMENT