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Planning Commission - 09/26/1994 • APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION September 26, 1994 COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Katherine Kardell, Douglas Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner Donald R. Uram, Planner Linda Bahley, Recording Secretary I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE-ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell. Absent was Kenneth E. Clinton. All other members present. • H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Sandstad moved, seconded by Wissner, to approve the Agenda as published. Motion carried 6-0-0. III. MINUTES MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Foote, to approve the Minutes of September 12, 1994 as amended: on page 8 under the heading Westgate Substation, all three motions were moved by Bauer, seconded by Clinton, and the motions carried 6-0-1 with Foote abstaining. Motion carried 6-0-0. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAY ORDINANCE MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Wissner, to continue the item to the October 10, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0. • B. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu Corporation. Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of Valley View Lane, between Highway 212 and I-494. MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Schlampp, to continue the item to the October 24, 1994 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0. C. LAKESIDE by K-P Properties, Inc. Request for Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.04 acres and Preliminary Plat of 11.04 acres into 16 single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: Duck Lake Road and Duck Lake Trail. Franzen stated that the applicant has submitted a letter stating that the project is being withdrawn. MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Schlampp, to close the public hearing and return the plans to the proponent without prejudice. Motion carried 6-0-0. D. BEAR-PATH 4TH ADDITION by Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation. Request for PUD District Amendment to the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres, Preliminary Plat of 51 acres into 9 single family lots and 4 outlots, Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres. Location: Dell Road and Highway 212. • Franzen stated that this is a report that was put together by Don Uram, Barb Cross and Jeff Johnson. The plans have been revised according to the Planning Commission's recommendation, and the Staff would recommend approval of the project. MOTION 1: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 2: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for PUD District Amendment to the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres, based on plans dated September 19, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 3: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for Preliminary Plat of 51 acres based on plans dated September 19, 1994, and subject to the recommendation of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. 2 MOTION 4: Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City • Council approval of the request of Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation for Rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres based on plans dated September 19, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. E. LAKE EDENVIEW TOWNHOMES by Thompson Land Development. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Commercial to Medium Density Residential on 1.64 acres and Low Density Residential to Medium Density Residential on .93 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 2.6 acres, Preliminary Plat of 2.6 acres into 8 lots and 1 outlot, and Site Plan Review on 2.6 acres. Location: Franlo Road, south of Prairie Center Drive. Bauer stated that in accordance with standard policy, he would be stepping down from this matter due to a conflict of interest. Franzen stated uses on the western 1.64 acres of this site is guided commercial. The eastern .93 acres of the site is guided low density residential. Staff has listed reasons for Guide Plan change in the Staff Report as one of the options. Franzen introduced Lee Johnson, who is the developer representing the project. Lee Johnson, developer representing Lake Edenview Townhomes, reviewed his • project with the Planning Commission using visual aids. He stated that he is the owner of this property and works for Orrin Thompson Homes which will be building on the property. He said he expects to live in one of the units, so he will be one of the owners of the units. The site is 2.6 acres in total. Using the site plan as proposed, it calls for 4 twinhomes with 8 units which places the density at a little over 3 units per acre. There are attached double garages for each unit. The total outside parking is 27 units which includes guest parking-- with no overnight parking, in 4 locations plus the driveway parking. There are approximately over 5 parking places per unit. The units are one story empty nester type building. They are maintenance free, vinyl siding, brick front buildings. The square footage is 1600 to 1800 square feet per unit on one floor, with finished basements. Most of the units will run between 2500 to 3500 square feet finished. The unites exceed the minimum square footage. All the units will be walk-outs. The constructed value of the units will be in excess of$200.000.00. The homeowners association will be responsible for the building on-site maintenance, grass cutting, etc. The site has a private road and they will be . 3 maintained by the homeowners association. There are no variance requests for ithe setbacks in this subdivision. The distance from the intersection is 170 feet and the minimum on the ordinance is 100 feet. North and west of the roadway will be owned by the homeowners association and that will be the access to the road. Everything else will be owned by the individual homeowner. Regarding grading, the tree loss will be approximately 14%, and that will only be cut down as needed, therefore, it might not even reach that amount. There are no requests for wetland mitigation. The borings show in all locations that there are between 2 to 4 feet of top soil. The ground water shown on the borings is 2 to 4 feet below the existing grade. They will be raising that grade so that means that the ground water is 5 feet below the basement elevations. Regarding the drainage of the site on Franlo Road, this water drains to the north side, therefore, most of the water, if not all the water on Franlo Road, is on the north side of the road. Sandstad asked if they thought about the driveway location where it is connected with Franlo Road, in regards to the Staff Report suggestion to move it a little bit north which would raise the grade a little, but it would change the landscaping and move it further from the single family home area. He asked how that would effect drainage, setbacks and landscaping. Johnson replied that this road should go down as far this way as it can because of the grading of Franlo Road. This is the only access point on his property. Kardell asked how this would effect drainage, setbacks and landscaping. Johnson stated that instead of grading this into a slope, he will put a retaining wall and then he can build a wall on the road closer to that tree, rather than sloping the ground down to the tree. He said there is an existing berm constructed off on the property south, so that none of the water on his site will get into the backyards of these units. There is drainage down the property line, but that's where drainage is suppose to go. He said by moving this road over he can open up so this is not as sharp a drainage area, but it's still where the drainage should go. The water going down the property line will be less than it is now. Kardell asked him to please discuss the effects of the setbacks of moving the one unit further to the north. Johnson replied that 3 more large oak trees plus considerable 2 - 10 inch oaks would be lost. The additional 15 feet of setback on the south would provide room for more trees but he believed that screening is not necessary because of 4 the 150 foot building setback. Sandstad commented to the homeowners in the audience that the map Mr. Johnson is referring to is to scale horizontally, not drawn to scale. He said it looks like it's 30%, but it's actually 7%. Johnson showed 2 photographs of 2 homes which reflect the access point, the berm that exists there and the trees that are planted on the berm. He said there were a number of concerns from the meeting he had with the residents, and is aware that they met with the planner and had written letters. He looked at their concerns long and hard. As far as location, he does not see how this location can be any different. He said it can shift one way or the other slightly. He can maybe even put a 15 degree, so it can end at a slight angle to the road to have some effect as far as any headlights. He said if he puts a retaining wall he can move this road up to within 5 or 6 feet and doesn't expect on any more impact. He does not feel a reasonable solution is to eliminate trees. Kardell asked for clarification regarding where the cut of the road is entering this property from the end of the guard rail. Johnson replied that the guard rail shown with the dotted line is 60 to 70 feet. He stated that as far as the entrance problem, he can move it over a little and • there will be more room to put some landscaping in to build up the building masses. He said he is meeting and exceeding all the requirements for this project. Schlampp asked how much of the 2.6 acres is going to become building sites, driveways, roads, etc. Johnson replied approximately 35,000 square feet of hard surface. Schlampp stated approximately 1/3 of the area is going to be absorbed. He stated that everything is going to drain down to Lake Eden except on the north side down on to Franlo Road. The grade then drops there and it drains to the south. He asked for clarification on this. Johnson replied there are drainage ways and there will be run off that would temporarily correct that before it gets to the silt fence. Schlampp asked what happens to the temporary sediment pond when that silt fence is removed. Johnson replied it is then removed. 5 Schlampp commented that all the water moved down ends up in Lake Eden. He said it's entering a great deal of it into the wetland that drains on the northwest corner. There is no containment of that drainage bringing it around into any other area except general sheeting down into the lake, into the wetland, especially since the sedimentation ponds are taken out. Johnson stated that the volume of water is very small. He said he talked to the City Engineer and the Watershed Engineers. Lake Eden itself is a NURP pond. It's the opinion of the City and the City Engineer that the volume of water is so small, and the incremental change is that NURP ponds are not necessary. Schlampp stated there will be substantial runoff because of the loss of percolation into the soil and there are developed sedimentation ponds. Franzen stated last Tuesday he went to the home of Jon Englund for a meeting with the neighbors. The neighbor's concerns were access, safety, drainage and transition. The City Engineer looked at the slope as you come up the driveway from the street. The Engineering Department recommends a 2% landing area that's very flat as measured from the curb. The drainage plan as proposed has a swale along the common property line which directs water in a westerly direction towards Lake Eden. Drainage utility easements with drainage swales along rear lot lines is typical in many subdivisions. The drainage along the • common property line can be improved by shifting the driveway 15 feet to the north. This would create a more defined swale along the common property line for better drainage. Use of the B6-12 curb as compared to the surmountable curb will channel water further down the private drive beyond the first twinhome building where a swale will take it out into City property. Where the driveway access is cut on Franlo Road, a channel gutter will be installed which will direct water towards catch basins near Grier Lane. Staff recommends shifting the driveway to the north, and accommodating the recommended landing area. The road grade would increase to 10%. Staff also recommends providing a revised landscape plan with a buffer zone of conifer trees between 8 to 10 feet high in height within the 25 foot edge along the south property line. Ray Hoveland, 11924 Joy Circle, expressed concern about drainage, the safety of project, the driveway and the visibility. He would like to see more of the planning in this project to creating a better drainage system. He said he is not anti-townhome or anti-project development. His home has a long history of drainage problems and this will only make it worse unless they solve the problem. 6 Jon Englund, 11912 Joy Circle~ expressed concern about the safety features, and the water drainage compounding his existing drainage problem. Joe Zweber, 11917, Joy Circle, expressed concern about the traffic conditions coming into the project, and how the screening will be done. He said he supports the project. Sandstad requested that Staff take a look at the saturated ground in the neighborhood for the existing homes if the Planning Commission decides to continue this in 2 weeks. He said he does not want to aggravate an existing problem. He stated the project is better as residential than commercial. He would prefer to see more distance between the buildings on the south side and the single family homes, and a little improvement on the driveway. Foote said he agrees with Sandstad and would like to see the drainage looked at. He does not want to add to the resident's problems. He believes this is better as residential than as a commercial project. He would like to see a revised plan accommodating the resident's concerns. Schlampp supports the project but would like to see more focus on the drainage problem. Wissner expressed concern about the water problems. She said the project will • be an asset to the neighborhood but just get rid of the water problem. She asked for clarification between townhomes and twinhomes. Johnson stated this is a townhouse project without any middle units. Kardell said she likes the residential as opposed to commercial. She wants Staff to have the Engineering Department look at the property to find out how to improve the drainage. She recommends changing the road slightly and have specific landscaping plans to share with the neighbors in advance of the Planning Commission, not at the meeting. She said the townhomes are a nice transition particularly if the land to the north doesn't develop commercial. MOTION 1: Schlampp moved, seconded by Wissner, to continue to October 101 1994. Motion carried 5-0-0. F. CITY WEST ACRES/CENTRON DPL COMPANY by Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota. Request for PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres, PUD District Review on 12.4 acres, Zoning District Amendment in the I-2 Park Zoning District on 12.4 acres, Preliminary Plat of 12.4 acres into two lots and Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres. Location: City West Parkway, North of City West Business Center. 7 Franzen stated there have been 4 projects already approved on this site. He 10 said this is a project that is part of a PUD that has specific requirements in terms of landscaping, brick requirements and screening. He said they are splitting it up into 2 separate projects. He said the developers are prepared with a presentation if the Planning Commission feels it necessary. The Planning Commission declined the developer's presentation as they felt it was not necessary. Franzen stated page 4 of the Staff Report lists all recommendations of Staff. MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 2: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota for PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 3: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota for PUD District Review on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23, • 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 4: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota for Zoning District Amendment in the I-2 Park Zoning District on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 5: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota for Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. MOTION 6: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota for Preliminary Plat on 12.4 acres, based on plans dated September 23, 1994, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated September 23, 1994. Motion carried 6-0-0. 8 V. MEMBERS' REPORTS None. VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS The Planning Commissioners expressed disappointment about the City Council decision to approve twinhomes between the two office buildings in the Hartford project. The Planning Commission was not sure what the rationale was for the perceived quick decision, and that the reasons for approving the rezoning were unclear. All the Planning Commissioners were present except for Ken Clinton. Motion carried 4-0-1 with Clinton abstaining. VII. NEW BUSINESS None. VHL PLANNERS' REPORTS None. IX. ADJOURNMENT • MOTION: Bauer moved, seconded by Foote, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 9:00 P.M. . 9 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION Monday, September 26, 1994 P.M. COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Katherine Kardell, Douglas Sandstad, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, Senior Planner Don Uram, Planner I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAY ORDINANCE B. SUPER VALU CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS ADDITION by Super Valu Corporation. Request for PUD Concept Review on 135 acres. Location: North of Valley View Lane, between Highway 212 and I-494. C. LAKESIDE by K-P Properties, Inc. Request for Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.04 acres. Preliminary Plat of 11.04 acres into 16 single family lots and road right-of-way. Location: Duck Lake Road and Duck Lake Trail. D. BEARPATH 4TH ADDITION by Bill Gilk and Sienna Corporation. Request for PUD District Amendment to the Bearpath PUD on 5.02 acres,Preliminary Plat of 51 acres into 9 single family lots and 4 outlots, and Rezoning from Rural to R1-13.5 on 5.02 acres. Location: Dell Road and Highway 212. E. LAKE EDENVIEW TOWNHOMES by Thompson Land Development. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Commercial to Medium Density Residential on 1.64 acres and Low Density Residential to Medium Density Residential on.93 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 2.6 acres, Preliminary Plat of 2.6 acres into 8 lots, and Site Plan Review on 2.6 acres. Location: Franlo Road, south of Prairie Center Drive. F. CITY WEST ACRES/CENTRON DPL COMPANY by Ryan Construction Company of Minnesota. Request for PUD Concept Review on 12.4 acres,PUD District Review on 12.4 acres,Preliminary Plat of 12.4 acres into 2 lots and Site Plan Review on 5.2 acres. Location: City West Parkway, North of City West Business Center. V. MEMBERS' REPORTS VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS VII. NEW BUSINESS VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS a IX. ADJOURNMENT