Planning Commission - 03/13/1995 AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, March 13, 1995
7:00 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Ismail Ismail,
Katherine Kardell, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Donald R. Uram, Economic Development Manager
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
H. SWEARING IN OF NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER
M. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
IV. MINUTES
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. BOULDER RIDGE by Dennis Lunski. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review
on 27.1 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review on 27.1 acres, Zoning District
Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres
and Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 38 lots and 2 outlots. Location: N. of Mitchell Road,
West of Boulder Pointe.
B. HIGH POINTE 2ND ADDITION by Builtwell Construction Inc. Request for Comprehensive
Guide Plan Change from Low Density Residential to Medium Density Residential on 4.95 acres,
Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 4.95 acres and Preliminary Plat of 4.95 acres into 16 lots.
Location: County Road 4 south of Senior Center.
VI. ELECTION OF OFFICERS
VII. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VH1. CONTINUING BUSINESS
1. Continued Discussion of Cable Broadcast of Planning Commission Meetings.
IX. NEW BUSINESS
X. PLANNERS' REPORTS
XI. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
. EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
March 27, 1995
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote,
Ismail Ismail, Katherine Kardell, Edward
Schlampp,Mary Jane Wissner
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney
STAFF MEMBERS: Don Uram,Economic Development Manager
Elinda Bahley,Recording Secretary
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell. All
members were present.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION:Clinton moved,seconded by Ismail,to approve the Agenda as published.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
III. MINUTES
MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Ismail, to approve the Minutes as
amended: page 4, fourth paragraph, the fourth sentence shall read ...will not be
unduly hampered in their timing, Motion carried 7-0-0.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. BOULDER RIDGE by Dennis Lunski. Request for Planned Unit Development
Concept Review on 27.1 acres,Planned Unit Development District Review on 27.1
acres,Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres,Rezoning from
Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres and Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 36 lots and 2
outlots. Location: N. of Mitchell Road,West of Boulder Pointe.
Perry Ryan,representing the proponent,reviewed the changes that were made in the
Staff Report. He noted that they have met with the Engineering Department. He
explained the sanitary sewer system that will be provided in the future when the
parcel of land in question is developed.
Foote expressed concern about the need for the temporary road access to be removed.
Ryan replied that his understanding was that the access was to be removed upon
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completion of the road.
Uram commented that it's not art of this project. It should be the responsibility of
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Mason Homes,the developer of the previous proposal.
Kardell asked Staff to follow up with Mason Homes to remove the access.
Wissner expressed her appreciation to Mr. Ryan for working with Staff and making
this project work.
Donald Bergstrom, resident of Eden Prairie, expressed concern about when the
sanitary sewer system is going to take place and what the cost is going to be to the
residents.
Uram noted that the City does not know what the timing will be. He suggested
scheduling a meeting with Staff and the homeowners to talk about the cost, timing,
and other details.
Bergstrom commented that he has been told things were going to happen in the past
and they never did. He expressed concern that the same thing will happen again.
Uram again suggested scheduling a meeting as soon as possible to work these issues
out. He noted that none of the Staff working on this project were here when Centex
was being developed. Typically in a development situation, the developers pay.
Julia Larson, 8705 Mitchell Road, commented that she would like something in
writing regarding the future sanitary sewer system.
Uram suggested having a meeting and prepare a special assessment agreement so
they can get this in writing and it's documented.
Bauer commented that the Commission certainly agrees that these things should be
written in a document,but this group has no ability to bind the City one way or the
other.
MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 2: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Planned Unit Development Concept
Review on 27.1 acres based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 3: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Planned Unit Development District
Review on 27.1 acres based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 4: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Zoning District Change from Rural to
R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres and Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres based on
plans dated March 10, 1995,and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report
dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 5: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 36
lots and 2 outlots based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the
recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0.
B. PRAIRIE CYCLE AND SKI,INC.by Chanhassen Bike & Ski, Inc. Request for
PUD District Amendment on 15.02 acres, PUD District Review on 1.07 acres,
Zoning District Amendment in the N-Com Zoning District on 1.07 acres and Site
Plan Review on 1.07 acres for the development of a 5,200 square foot retail building.
Location: Anderson Lakes Center.
Rick Carter, architect for the proponent, reviewed his project with the Planning
Commission. He noted that the building is approximately 5,000 square feet with 50
parking spaces. He said that the landscaping plan has been resubmitted for Staffs
review, and it included extending the sidewalk in front of the building out to
Anderson Lake Parkway. There is also some berming by the bicycle path. The
building has two levels. The lower level is designated primarily for storage. The
upper level floor plan is primarily retail, with some storage, a work area, an office,
restrooms,and dressing rooms. There is a window on the Anderson Lakes Parkway
side for merchandise in the window. They are proposing to use brick that matches
the Post Office brick. They are going to use dark bronze for the window framing all
the way around. The building is rectangular in shape with a gable roof.
Steve Phyle,owner, commented that they are trying to create a building that creates
an image. He said that the glass is adding cost to the building. They would like to
make one side,painted double-scored concrete block because it's a landscaped area
and not very visible. In the future,if they wish to expand,that would be where they
would do it. They are thinking long-term by making that wall something that could
be removed.
Clinton asked for a comparison in size between this and their present shop. Phyle
replied that they are in a situation where they have outgrown the space. The retail is
about 2,800 square feet and they are leasing 400 square feet of space.
Clinton expressed concern about the location of the trash bins. Phyle showed him
the location and noted that it will be hidden by trees.
Wissner inquired about the signage in the parking lot. Phyle replied there will be no
signage in the parking lot, but they have a round logo that will go on the glass
windows on top of the entrance.
Uram stated that this project was started a few months ago and it's been a situation
where it's been a very cooperative relationship on what has to be done. The reason
for the gabled roof is to match the Post Office to make the whole area tied in
together. Staff understands the need to bring costs down by using double-scored
block, but in this area all the buildings are face brick with some stucco accent
material. Based on the visual aspect of this site itself, it is Staffs opinion that
double-scored concrete block should not be used. The code allows for 25% per
building wall. Staff recommends approval subject to some changes and revisions to
the plans.
Phyle noted that they want to paint the block to match the brick. He said Rainbow
Foods has painted block in the back of the building and nobody knows the difference.
Ismail expressed concern about the NURP pond fee. Uram replied that the City
requires a NURP pond on all new projects. In this particular case,the project was
designed in 1986. The storm sewer system at that time was not designed in taking
a NURP pond into consideration. On projects where they can not build a NURP
pond on their site,the City requires that they pay a cash distribution of the cost of the
NURP pond size to meet the requirements to the storm water utility fund for
construction of a regional NURP pond.
Bauer commented that he is struggling on the architecture point, and does not feel
one way or the other of one wall 100% brick or 25% on all walls. He said his
concern is not towards the people planning on using the building now,but towards
the subsequent users. If they get graffiti on it,who will be responsible to clean it up
10 years from now.
Foote noted that he understands the economic aspect, but he would like to see all
brick. He does not like the mixture of 25%, and would rather see three sides brick
and one side block.
Schlampp commented that it would be foolish to put brick on that wall if it's going
to be an expansion area. He sees nothing wrong with it being block if it's not seen.
Bauer noted that the issue here is whether or not the building looks good in
comparison to the surrounding neighbors. This is a new building that is introducing
a new building material for the neighborhood.
Uram said that the Commission has to be careful because the elevation that's
supposed to be double-scored block faces U.S.#169. This is a very visible area and
it is the last piece of property on that site.
Wissner noted that she understands the cost issue but that's not part of their decision.
The Commission has to see what is the best for that site. She is not comfortable with
block on the one side because she feels the landscaping will not hide it from U.S.
#169. She is more comfortable with the 25% all the way around the building.
Ismail commented that he is comfortable with it being painted block on one side as
long as it does not contradict the City Code or ordinance.
Kardell stated that she believes in consistency and that the standards are applied the
same to one developer as to the next. She is more comfortable with it being all brick
or with stucco as an accent material.
Clinton expressed concern about the visibility of the one wall from cars going south
on U.S. #169, and also making right turns on Anderson Lake Parkway.
Schlampp questioned how much of the rear area does the trash bin occupy. Carter
replied it goes out about 14 feet and then it goes in again about 7.
Schlampp noted that because the site line is being reduced substantially from U.S.
#169,and there will be conifers by the trash bin,you will see very little of the back
wall.
Kardell said that you will see the back wall from U.S. #169 because it is a very big
building.
Wissner asked for clarification of exactly what the decorative block looks like. Uram
replied that it's a block with a couple of cuts in it. He said that the old City Hall
building had it.
Foote commented that he is more comfortable with the one wall all painted, versus
the 25%. If it can't be as proposed, then he wants to see it all brick.
Schlampp agreed with Foote.
Sullivan, general contractor, explained that the double-scored block will be very
similar to a brick turned on end and painted. He said that will look a lot more similar
to the brick than stucco could ever be.
Kardell said she wants it all brick and no back wall with painted concrete.
Wissner agreed with Kardell.
Ismail asked if 25% is acceptable with the City. Uram replied that the City
Ordinance does state that 75% of materials used must be face brick, glass or better,
and 25% can be some sort of accent material.
Ismail commented that if the back wall is concrete block and painted nicely, he
supports the 25%.
MOTION 1: Wissner moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 2: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike & Ski for Planned Unit Development
District Amendment on 15.02 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995, and
subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995, including
100%face brick to be used. Motion carried 6-1-0 with opposition by Bauer.
MOTION 3: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike & Ski for Planned Unit Development
District Review on 1.07 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995, and subject to
the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995,including 100%face
brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with opposition by Bauer and Ismail.
MOTION 4: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike& Ski for Zoning District Amendment
in the N-Com Zoning District on 1.07 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995,
and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995,
including 100% face brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with opposition by
Bauer and Ismail.
MOTION 5: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike&Ski for Site Plan Review on 1.07 acres
for the development of a 5,200 square foot retail building based on plans dated
March 20, 1995,and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March
24, 1995, including 100% face brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with
opposition by Bauer and Ismail.
C. CENTRAL MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETIC FACILITIES by Independent
School District 272. Request for Site Plan Review on 60 acres. Location: Scenic
Heights Road and School Road.
Mark Koegler, representing the proponent, reviewed his project with the Planning
Commission using visual aids. He stated that this project started a couple of years
ago,and noted that the issues two years ago were sewer and drainage. They are now
back for the final chapter of the Site Plan Review and would like to start construction
in May of this year.
Bauer expressed concern about the impact of this construction on the fields in the
summer. Mark replied that it will not be impacted at all. All of the school districts
will have use of existing facilities until that roadway goes through. Actual disruption
to the school will also be very minimal.
Uram noted that Staff is recommending approval of the project.
MOTION 1: Wissner moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 7-0-0.
MOTION 2: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council
approval of the request of Independent School District 272 for Site Plan Review on
60 acres based on plans dated March 24, 1995, and subject to the recommendations
of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0.
Uram noted that this project will be heard at the Parks and Recreation meeting on
April 3rd.
V. MEMBERS' REPORTS
Metropolitan Council Meeting
Kardell noted that she and Dave Lindahl were at the Metropolitan Council Board
meeting last Wednesday and made a presentation on the HOPE project for support
on the Section 8 vouchers. The Metropolitan Council were very supportive and
endorsed the use of their resources.
Medical Center
Wissner questioned whether or not the medical center is adding on an addition.
Uram replied that he knows nothing about it.
Kardell noted that it was advertised in the newspaper as a substantial addition to their
facility.
Uram commented that a possibility is that the approved plans showed an expanded
area, and the expansion area plans are consistent. He said he will inform Mike
Franzen about this.
Big Woods
Wissner noted that she was at the City Council meeting and was concerned why the
signage for the Big Woods project did not come through the Planning Commission.
Uram speculated that maybe it went to the Board of Appeals for a variance. At the
City Council they were requesting that they review the Board's variance decision.
Funeral Home
Wissner noted that something has to be done in front of the funeral home because it
looks terrible.
Uram said that he will inform Mike Franzen to review.
Blockbuster Video
Wissner expressed concern about traveling east on Highway 5,waiting at the traffic
light,and electrical lights coming down the side of the Blockbuster Video building.
She noted that there is no landscaping there and it looks awful from the highway.
Photographs of NURP Ponds
Wissner asked if it would be possible to have pictures of NURP ponds so that
residents can understand what they look like.
Uram noted that when people want to see what a NURP pond looks like, he refers
them to the one next to Bachman's because everyone has seen it.
VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS
None.
VH. NEW BUSINESS
Housing,,Transportation and Social Services Board
Kardell stated that this committee has been turned into a Housing,Transportation and
Social Services Board, and the Planning Commission needs to designate one person,
either herself or Ken Clinton,to be the official representative to that Board.
Schlampp expressed concern about a conflict of having the chairperson being a
member.
Bauer noted that if a conflict arises,then the chairperson would have to step down
and abstain.
MOTION:Wissner moved, seconded by Schlampp,to designate Katherine Kardell
as the Planning Commission's representative to the Housing, Transportation and
Social Services Board. Motion carried 7-0-0.
Location Mans
Ismail requested better location maps because the one tonight was very difficult to
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read.
Tree Ordinance Meeting
Foote asked if anyone knew when the meeting will be. Uram replied that he saw a
notice stating that it will be April 12th. He said everyone will receive proper
notification of the meeting.
VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS
Uram noted that Mike Franzen will be back for the April loth meeting.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by Ismail, to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried 7-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.