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Planning Commission - 03/13/1995 AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION Monday, March 13, 1995 7:00 p.m. COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Ismail Ismail, Katherine Kardell, Edward Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner STAFF MEMBERS: Donald R. Uram, Economic Development Manager STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL H. SWEARING IN OF NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER M. APPROVAL OF AGENDA IV. MINUTES V. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. BOULDER RIDGE by Dennis Lunski. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 27.1 acres, Planned Unit Development District Review on 27.1 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres and Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 38 lots and 2 outlots. Location: N. of Mitchell Road, West of Boulder Pointe. B. HIGH POINTE 2ND ADDITION by Builtwell Construction Inc. Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Low Density Residential to Medium Density Residential on 4.95 acres, Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 4.95 acres and Preliminary Plat of 4.95 acres into 16 lots. Location: County Road 4 south of Senior Center. VI. ELECTION OF OFFICERS VII. MEMBERS' REPORTS VH1. CONTINUING BUSINESS 1. Continued Discussion of Cable Broadcast of Planning Commission Meetings. IX. NEW BUSINESS X. PLANNERS' REPORTS XI. ADJOURNMENT APPROVED MINUTES . EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION March 27, 1995 COMMISSION MEMBERS: Tim Bauer, Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Ismail Ismail, Katherine Kardell, Edward Schlampp,Mary Jane Wissner STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Matthew Mahoney STAFF MEMBERS: Don Uram,Economic Development Manager Elinda Bahley,Recording Secretary I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chair Katherine Kardell. All members were present. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION:Clinton moved,seconded by Ismail,to approve the Agenda as published. Motion carried 7-0-0. III. MINUTES MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Ismail, to approve the Minutes as amended: page 4, fourth paragraph, the fourth sentence shall read ...will not be unduly hampered in their timing, Motion carried 7-0-0. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. BOULDER RIDGE by Dennis Lunski. Request for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 27.1 acres,Planned Unit Development District Review on 27.1 acres,Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres,Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres and Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 36 lots and 2 outlots. Location: N. of Mitchell Road,West of Boulder Pointe. Perry Ryan,representing the proponent,reviewed the changes that were made in the Staff Report. He noted that they have met with the Engineering Department. He explained the sanitary sewer system that will be provided in the future when the parcel of land in question is developed. Foote expressed concern about the need for the temporary road access to be removed. Ryan replied that his understanding was that the access was to be removed upon s completion of the road. Uram commented that it's not art of this project. It should be the responsibility of p p J p t3' Mason Homes,the developer of the previous proposal. Kardell asked Staff to follow up with Mason Homes to remove the access. Wissner expressed her appreciation to Mr. Ryan for working with Staff and making this project work. Donald Bergstrom, resident of Eden Prairie, expressed concern about when the sanitary sewer system is going to take place and what the cost is going to be to the residents. Uram noted that the City does not know what the timing will be. He suggested scheduling a meeting with Staff and the homeowners to talk about the cost, timing, and other details. Bergstrom commented that he has been told things were going to happen in the past and they never did. He expressed concern that the same thing will happen again. Uram again suggested scheduling a meeting as soon as possible to work these issues out. He noted that none of the Staff working on this project were here when Centex was being developed. Typically in a development situation, the developers pay. Julia Larson, 8705 Mitchell Road, commented that she would like something in writing regarding the future sanitary sewer system. Uram suggested having a meeting and prepare a special assessment agreement so they can get this in writing and it's documented. Bauer commented that the Commission certainly agrees that these things should be written in a document,but this group has no ability to bind the City one way or the other. MOTION 1: Bauer moved, seconded by Clinton, to close the public hearing. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 2: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Planned Unit Development Concept Review on 27.1 acres based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 3: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Planned Unit Development District Review on 27.1 acres based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 4: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Zoning District Change from Rural to R1-13.5 on 11.40 acres and Rezoning from Rural to RM-6.5 on 3.8 acres based on plans dated March 10, 1995,and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 5: Bauer moved,seconded by Clinton,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Dennis Lunski for Preliminary Plat of 27.1 acres into 36 lots and 2 outlots based on plans dated March 10, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 10, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0. B. PRAIRIE CYCLE AND SKI,INC.by Chanhassen Bike & Ski, Inc. Request for PUD District Amendment on 15.02 acres, PUD District Review on 1.07 acres, Zoning District Amendment in the N-Com Zoning District on 1.07 acres and Site Plan Review on 1.07 acres for the development of a 5,200 square foot retail building. Location: Anderson Lakes Center. Rick Carter, architect for the proponent, reviewed his project with the Planning Commission. He noted that the building is approximately 5,000 square feet with 50 parking spaces. He said that the landscaping plan has been resubmitted for Staffs review, and it included extending the sidewalk in front of the building out to Anderson Lake Parkway. There is also some berming by the bicycle path. The building has two levels. The lower level is designated primarily for storage. The upper level floor plan is primarily retail, with some storage, a work area, an office, restrooms,and dressing rooms. There is a window on the Anderson Lakes Parkway side for merchandise in the window. They are proposing to use brick that matches the Post Office brick. They are going to use dark bronze for the window framing all the way around. The building is rectangular in shape with a gable roof. Steve Phyle,owner, commented that they are trying to create a building that creates an image. He said that the glass is adding cost to the building. They would like to make one side,painted double-scored concrete block because it's a landscaped area and not very visible. In the future,if they wish to expand,that would be where they would do it. They are thinking long-term by making that wall something that could be removed. Clinton asked for a comparison in size between this and their present shop. Phyle replied that they are in a situation where they have outgrown the space. The retail is about 2,800 square feet and they are leasing 400 square feet of space. Clinton expressed concern about the location of the trash bins. Phyle showed him the location and noted that it will be hidden by trees. Wissner inquired about the signage in the parking lot. Phyle replied there will be no signage in the parking lot, but they have a round logo that will go on the glass windows on top of the entrance. Uram stated that this project was started a few months ago and it's been a situation where it's been a very cooperative relationship on what has to be done. The reason for the gabled roof is to match the Post Office to make the whole area tied in together. Staff understands the need to bring costs down by using double-scored block, but in this area all the buildings are face brick with some stucco accent material. Based on the visual aspect of this site itself, it is Staffs opinion that double-scored concrete block should not be used. The code allows for 25% per building wall. Staff recommends approval subject to some changes and revisions to the plans. Phyle noted that they want to paint the block to match the brick. He said Rainbow Foods has painted block in the back of the building and nobody knows the difference. Ismail expressed concern about the NURP pond fee. Uram replied that the City requires a NURP pond on all new projects. In this particular case,the project was designed in 1986. The storm sewer system at that time was not designed in taking a NURP pond into consideration. On projects where they can not build a NURP pond on their site,the City requires that they pay a cash distribution of the cost of the NURP pond size to meet the requirements to the storm water utility fund for construction of a regional NURP pond. Bauer commented that he is struggling on the architecture point, and does not feel one way or the other of one wall 100% brick or 25% on all walls. He said his concern is not towards the people planning on using the building now,but towards the subsequent users. If they get graffiti on it,who will be responsible to clean it up 10 years from now. Foote noted that he understands the economic aspect, but he would like to see all brick. He does not like the mixture of 25%, and would rather see three sides brick and one side block. Schlampp commented that it would be foolish to put brick on that wall if it's going to be an expansion area. He sees nothing wrong with it being block if it's not seen. Bauer noted that the issue here is whether or not the building looks good in comparison to the surrounding neighbors. This is a new building that is introducing a new building material for the neighborhood. Uram said that the Commission has to be careful because the elevation that's supposed to be double-scored block faces U.S.#169. This is a very visible area and it is the last piece of property on that site. Wissner noted that she understands the cost issue but that's not part of their decision. The Commission has to see what is the best for that site. She is not comfortable with block on the one side because she feels the landscaping will not hide it from U.S. #169. She is more comfortable with the 25% all the way around the building. Ismail commented that he is comfortable with it being painted block on one side as long as it does not contradict the City Code or ordinance. Kardell stated that she believes in consistency and that the standards are applied the same to one developer as to the next. She is more comfortable with it being all brick or with stucco as an accent material. Clinton expressed concern about the visibility of the one wall from cars going south on U.S. #169, and also making right turns on Anderson Lake Parkway. Schlampp questioned how much of the rear area does the trash bin occupy. Carter replied it goes out about 14 feet and then it goes in again about 7. Schlampp noted that because the site line is being reduced substantially from U.S. #169,and there will be conifers by the trash bin,you will see very little of the back wall. Kardell said that you will see the back wall from U.S. #169 because it is a very big building. Wissner asked for clarification of exactly what the decorative block looks like. Uram replied that it's a block with a couple of cuts in it. He said that the old City Hall building had it. Foote commented that he is more comfortable with the one wall all painted, versus the 25%. If it can't be as proposed, then he wants to see it all brick. Schlampp agreed with Foote. Sullivan, general contractor, explained that the double-scored block will be very similar to a brick turned on end and painted. He said that will look a lot more similar to the brick than stucco could ever be. Kardell said she wants it all brick and no back wall with painted concrete. Wissner agreed with Kardell. Ismail asked if 25% is acceptable with the City. Uram replied that the City Ordinance does state that 75% of materials used must be face brick, glass or better, and 25% can be some sort of accent material. Ismail commented that if the back wall is concrete block and painted nicely, he supports the 25%. MOTION 1: Wissner moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 2: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike & Ski for Planned Unit Development District Amendment on 15.02 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995, including 100%face brick to be used. Motion carried 6-1-0 with opposition by Bauer. MOTION 3: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike & Ski for Planned Unit Development District Review on 1.07 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995,including 100%face brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with opposition by Bauer and Ismail. MOTION 4: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike& Ski for Zoning District Amendment in the N-Com Zoning District on 1.07 acres based on plans dated March 20, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995, including 100% face brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with opposition by Bauer and Ismail. MOTION 5: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Chanhassen Bike&Ski for Site Plan Review on 1.07 acres for the development of a 5,200 square foot retail building based on plans dated March 20, 1995,and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995, including 100% face brick to be used. Motion carried 5-2-0 with opposition by Bauer and Ismail. C. CENTRAL MIDDLE SCHOOL ATHLETIC FACILITIES by Independent School District 272. Request for Site Plan Review on 60 acres. Location: Scenic Heights Road and School Road. Mark Koegler, representing the proponent, reviewed his project with the Planning Commission using visual aids. He stated that this project started a couple of years ago,and noted that the issues two years ago were sewer and drainage. They are now back for the final chapter of the Site Plan Review and would like to start construction in May of this year. Bauer expressed concern about the impact of this construction on the fields in the summer. Mark replied that it will not be impacted at all. All of the school districts will have use of existing facilities until that roadway goes through. Actual disruption to the school will also be very minimal. Uram noted that Staff is recommending approval of the project. MOTION 1: Wissner moved, seconded by Foote, to close the public hearing. Motion carried 7-0-0. MOTION 2: Wissner moved,seconded by Foote,to recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Independent School District 272 for Site Plan Review on 60 acres based on plans dated March 24, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated March 24, 1995. Motion carried 7-0-0. Uram noted that this project will be heard at the Parks and Recreation meeting on April 3rd. V. MEMBERS' REPORTS Metropolitan Council Meeting Kardell noted that she and Dave Lindahl were at the Metropolitan Council Board meeting last Wednesday and made a presentation on the HOPE project for support on the Section 8 vouchers. The Metropolitan Council were very supportive and endorsed the use of their resources. Medical Center Wissner questioned whether or not the medical center is adding on an addition. Uram replied that he knows nothing about it. Kardell noted that it was advertised in the newspaper as a substantial addition to their facility. Uram commented that a possibility is that the approved plans showed an expanded area, and the expansion area plans are consistent. He said he will inform Mike Franzen about this. Big Woods Wissner noted that she was at the City Council meeting and was concerned why the signage for the Big Woods project did not come through the Planning Commission. Uram speculated that maybe it went to the Board of Appeals for a variance. At the City Council they were requesting that they review the Board's variance decision. Funeral Home Wissner noted that something has to be done in front of the funeral home because it looks terrible. Uram said that he will inform Mike Franzen to review. Blockbuster Video Wissner expressed concern about traveling east on Highway 5,waiting at the traffic light,and electrical lights coming down the side of the Blockbuster Video building. She noted that there is no landscaping there and it looks awful from the highway. Photographs of NURP Ponds Wissner asked if it would be possible to have pictures of NURP ponds so that residents can understand what they look like. Uram noted that when people want to see what a NURP pond looks like, he refers them to the one next to Bachman's because everyone has seen it. VI. CONTINUING BUSINESS None. VH. NEW BUSINESS Housing,,Transportation and Social Services Board Kardell stated that this committee has been turned into a Housing,Transportation and Social Services Board, and the Planning Commission needs to designate one person, either herself or Ken Clinton,to be the official representative to that Board. Schlampp expressed concern about a conflict of having the chairperson being a member. Bauer noted that if a conflict arises,then the chairperson would have to step down and abstain. MOTION:Wissner moved, seconded by Schlampp,to designate Katherine Kardell as the Planning Commission's representative to the Housing, Transportation and Social Services Board. Motion carried 7-0-0. Location Mans Ismail requested better location maps because the one tonight was very difficult to q p g rY read. Tree Ordinance Meeting Foote asked if anyone knew when the meeting will be. Uram replied that he saw a notice stating that it will be April 12th. He said everyone will receive proper notification of the meeting. VIII. PLANNERS' REPORTS Uram noted that Mike Franzen will be back for the April loth meeting. IX. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by Ismail, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 7-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.