City Council - 08/15/1978 N
APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE CITY COUNCIL
TUESDAY, AUGUST 15, 1978 7: 30 PM, CITY HALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS: Mayor Wolfgang Penzel , Billy Bye, Joan
Meyers, Dave Osterhol t and Sidney Pauly
COUNCIL STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Roger Ulstad; City Attorney
Roger Pauly; Planner Chris Enger; City
Engineer Carl Jullie; Director of Community
Services Bob Lambert, and Joyce Provo,
Recording Secretary
INVOCATION: Councilwoman Joan Meyers
PLEDGE: OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL: All members present.
I . PRESENTATION OF AWARD TO THE EDEN PRAIRIE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT FOR THE "BEST
DRESSED POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 1978" FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF UNIFORM
MANUFACTURERS, INC.
Jon Radebaugh, President of Uniforms Unlimited, presented "The Best Dressed
Police Department Award for 1978" to the Eden Prairie Public Safety Department,
along with a check for $300.00 to the Eden Prairie Crime Prevention Fund.
Public Safety Officer John Conley accepted the award and check on behalf of
the Eden Prairie Public Safety Department. Mayor Penzel thanked
Mr. Radebaugh on behalf of the City and congratulated the Public Safety
Department on receiving the award.
CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Payment of Claims Nos. 1094 - 1264
B. Resolution receiving 100 petition and ordering preparation of feasibility
report for street and utility improvements on Franlo Road west of Preserve
Boulevard, I .C. 51-331 Resolution No. 78-146
C. Resolution receiving petition from Super Valu Stores , Inc. , and orderin
repa ration of feasibility report for sanitary sewer extension, I .C. 51-332
preparation
No. 78-147
D. Resolution requesting D.O.T. to make intersection improvements at TH 5
and Mitchell Road Resolution No. 78-148
E. Set Public Hearing date of September 5, 1978 for cul-de-sating Creek
Knoll Road at T.H. 169
F. Receive petition and set hearing date of September 5, 1978 for changing
"Darnel l Road" street name
G. Final Plat Approvals
Norman Addition (Resolution No. 78-149)
Raven Ridge Resolution No. 78-150)
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G. Final Plat Approvals (continued)
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Tamarac Woods . (Resolution No. 78-151 )
Prairie East 4th (Resolution No. .78-152)
Prairie East 6th (Resolution No. 78-153)
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Bye, to approve items A - G
on the Consent. Calendar. Roll Cali Vote: Osterholt, Bye, Meyers,
and Penzel voted "aye" , Pauly "abstained" . Motion carried.
III . PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Prairie East 7th, request by Hustad Development Corporation to rezone
from Rural to RM 6.5 & preliminary plat approval Resolution No. 78-106
and Ordinance No. 78-31 Continued from 7/18/78
City Manager Ulstad explained the proponents are prepared to outline
their proposed changes to the Council . Ulstad further noted that Staff
has not had a chance to review the changes as they were received
last Friday afternoon.
Jim Ostenson, Hustad Development Corporation, spoke to the site plan,
noting what Hustad has attempted to do over a period of weeks or months.
After initial presentation to the Council and Planning Commission, and
after meeting with the residents of Prairie East, Sherwood and also
BanCon, Hustad has attempted to provide as much buffer as they can. There
are some restraints on the property in doing this - one is a pond and
the other is a 4.3 acre park in which they are trying not to encroach
on. There will be a 25 foot natural area which would remain in its
present form for BanCon�and Hustad will provide additional plantings
and screenings in that area. Initially, Mr. Ostenson stated, Hustad
was proposing 60 units and they are now at 52 units. The townhouses
will be built by Windsor Corporation in the $60,000 - $70,000 price
range, or perhaps in the low $80,000 price range.
City Planner Enger stated he could not see any difference from the plan
submitted as of July 31 , 1978. Meyers commented that the plan dated
6/5/78 and 7/31/78 are identical .
Ostenson explained they have mainly gone back and looked at the soil tests
and also looked at extending the property further into the pond and they
have determined this can't be done. Therefore, since the last Council
meeting, there have been very little, if any, adjustments.
Osterholt reiterated his feelings that 25 feet is hardly enough of a
buffer for the single family homes.
Ostenson replied the 25 foot buffer was suggested by the residents in the
area. Further that Hustad has always approached this site as a multi-
family medium density site�and they are trying to live up to their commitment
to different house types to protect the integrity of the PUD.
Osterholt commented if the residents had a choice of a 125 foot buffer area
in comparison to a 25 foot buffer, the residents would take the 125 foot
buffer. Osterholt further questioned the placement of the sign on the site.
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A. Prairie East 7th (continued)
Ostenson explained the sign was placed on the site, however, it did
not face towards the BanCon area.
{ Bob Kurland, 10186 Laurel Drive, expressed the following concerns:
1 ) disappointment in Windsor Corporation and the Planning Commission
as some of the residents had asked to be notified as this project
progressed, and they have never been notified, 2) Children have
no place to play until the area is finished down below- being a
taxpayer he would like to have his children have someplace to play,
3) Hustad was asked to clean up the area and nothing has been done,
in fact, it has gotten worse, 4) there are elm trees which
Hustad has been notified to remove and they have neglected to take r
the trees down, 5) would like the park to be public and not private,
and 6) 25 feet between homes isn't very much. Mr. Kurland requested
that the Planning Commission and proponents meet with the people living
there now and see what the residents want.
David Moore, 10081 Laurel Drive, agreed with all of Mr. Kurland's comments,
and reiterated cooperation to get everything cleaned up in the
neighborhood has been very poor.
Ostenson explained the plans for drainage have been completed by Hustad's
engineer and approved by City Engineer Jullie. Hustad has received
grading permits from the Watershed District and material is on the site
as well as . equipment. Should be starting tomorrow, weather permitting.
The drainage problem will be taken care of before any improvements
are made on any of Hustad's other projects.
Bye asked if the soil tests make it impossible for Hustad to adjust the
alignment. Ostenson replied in the affirmative. Bye further questioned
if Staff agreed that the alignment couldn 't be adjusted. Mr. Ulstad replied
it is possible to build on peat, however,i t would help if the soil borings
were submitted to Staff to then go through these conditions and discuss
same with the proponents .
Bye inquired should the soil tests prove alright, would Hustad be amendable
to an adjustment. Ostenson replied the whole thing comes down to dollars.
As a developer Hustad is willing to do anything, but the question is can Windsor
stand the price. When units are taken out after awhile it gets too expensive
and you don' t have a feasible project. Further Mr. Ostenson stated, that is
why single family does not work in the site under consideration.
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Meyers, to refer this item back to Staff
for review based on the information submitted to the Council this evening.
Further that an opinion be requested from Staff on public vs . private
for the park. Direct staff to renotify abutting property owners of this
continued Public Hearing to the September 5, 1978 Council meeting. Motion
carried unanimously.
Council requested that the proponents, both Hustad and Windsor, meet
with residents in the area so that fresh input can be received from the
residents.
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Council Minutes - 4 - Tues. ,August 75, 1978
B. Transportation alternatives for northwest corner of Trunk H nya _
_5 and County Road 4, Luther Wes, Heritage Road, West 72nd Street,
proposed Valley View Road
City Manager Ulstad explained that the Council requested this item
be referred back to the-Manning Commission for a Public Hearing
and their recommendation be forwarded to the Council , and that a Public
Hearing before the Council be scheduled. This has now occurred.
The Planning Commission has reviewed this entire area and they do
have a recommendation for the Council .
City Engineer Jullie spoke to memo dated August 11 , 1978, regarding
the recommended street system for the Round Lake Area. (Attached
as part of minutes)
Director of Community Services Lambert spoke to his findings in
reviewing the LAWCON grant application and its effects, and displayed
graphic of the Round Lake site showing the southern route. Lambert
explained that Mr. Clausen of the State Planning Agency informed
him that the southern route would definitely eliminate the '77 LAWCON
grant which is in the amount of $134,000.00.
Councilwoman Pauly explained she agreed with the overall idea, but
thought Luther Way is too long and too straight, and wondered if it
would be possible to change the road so that it would not come straight
across.
General discussion took place regarding limiting of Luther Way traffic
to a one-way at certain hours of the day, and City Engineer Jullie spoke
to the traffic counts taken at two locations: 1) just 50 feet west
of County Road 4 - average daily trips of 377 during weekdays, and
2) west of the Church entrance but east of the nursery school - average
daily trips of 280 during the weekdays .
Dick Anderson, 14208 Charing Cross Road, and member of the Parks, Recreation
& Natural. Resources Commission, requested Council 's consideration of a
parkway road system. Believes a very important thing has been left out
and that is the recreational needs of the people of the community.
Ken Geason, 7621 Atherton Way, feels there has been no concern shown
for people on Heritage, Kilmer and Atherton, and his area is looking
for an access east.
David Pavelka, 16725 Luther Way, offered a solution to this long stretch
of Luther Way, which is to revert it back to a deadend. Mr. Pavelka
presented a petition to the Council to be entered in the record. (Petition
attached as part of minutes)
Mrs. Kundel , 17491 Kilmer Avenue, questioned if speed bumps would be
a practical solution on Luther Way, and that people in her area have the
problem of getting out to Highway #5 during the rush hours.
Jullie explained Staff has looked at speed bumps and recommendations
by traffic engineers and by the Public Safety Department are to not use such
devices for speed control on public streets.
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B. Transportation alternatives (continued)
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Don Peterson, 7025 Mariann Drive, spoke in favor of Alternate 10, as
he feels it is an excellent plan:
Charles Mills, 7640 Atherton Way, believes the primary consideration
and practically the oily consideration in his neighborhood is the lives
and safety of the people that live there. 1
Mr. Knauss, 17221 Park Circle, questioned if Luther Way were extended
and the Saveyn property was developed, would sewer and water have to
come through Luther Way at that time. Jullie explained sewer and water
does not have to come through Luther Way to serve Lake Trail Estates
(Saveyn property) .
Mr. Geason stated people in his area have never suggested that Luther
Way should not have what they want, however, his area wants an
alternate way out of their area and Alternate 10 offers them nothing.
Jon Westlake, 7710 Heritage, asked if the Council had reviewed the
petition presented to the Council earlier. Mayor Penzel responded that the
Council has reviewed the petition in question, and also asked that this
petition be made a part of the record. City Manager U1 s tad read the
petition as submitted. (Petition attached as part of minutes)
Owen Anderson, 17220 Parkview Circle, questioned how many homes will
there be in the Heritage area that would be limited to 2 accesses. Jullie
responded there were a total of approximately 150 units, and figuring
about 8 trips per day per unit on the averageiwould be about 1 ,200
.. trips. Further, if there were no connection, then the accesses would be
Highway 5 and Valley View Road.
Mr. Boen, 7760 Heritage Road, stated if the Council does pass on the
suggestion that was put forth by the Planning Commission, he would like
the Council to delete the recommendation for a one-way during the morning
hours. He believes it takes out one of the major benefits they have.
Only problem he can see is that the people on Luther Way would prefer to live
on a cul-de-sac, but it looks like all the facts would point to a
through connection.
Paul Martin, 7691 Atherton Way, asked that the Council strongly consider a
bike path.
Mrs. Pavelka, 16725 Luther Way, questioned if it would be possible for the
Highway Department to approve of a stop sign at the Luther Way connection
as it is so close to the one on Highway #4 and Highway #5. Jullie explained
it would be difficult to have a signal in such close proximity to have
efficient movement.
Mr. Westlake commented that the Planning. Commission and Staff have studied
this area several times and the one they are looking at seems to make the most
sense. "
Robert Jakubowski , 17299 Park Circle, asked for a definition of the one-way
traffic suggested by the Planning Commission. Jullie spoke to the recommen-
dation of the Planning Commission as per minutes dated July 24, 1978.
B. Transportation alternatives (continued)
Pauly questioned how a one-way out for cortain hours only could be
` enforced. Jul 1 ie explained it would be tii ffi cult to enforce and
q,. suggested that if indeed problems do develop for the residents on
Luther Way, it would be an option to make it a one-way street.
MOTION: Bye moved, seconded by Meyers, the affirmation of the Council
in Eden Prairie's transportation program of the direct route for the Valley
View Road alignment through the Round Lake area per City Staff's
recommendation. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Bye, to close the Public Hearing and
adopt Alternate IA (A-1 ) as recommended by the Planning Commission and
Staff, with the addition that Luther Way not be a direct route and that the
connection to Luther Way be a temporary one which would be terminated when the
ity could provide a Northerly access to Valley View Road and/or a
raffic signal at one of the roads exiting onto Highway S. Further that
:.he staff contact the Minnesota Department of Highways regarding the signal
request. The staff is also directed to address themselves to the potential
speed problem on Luther Way. Osterholt, Bye and Pauly voted "aye",
Meyers and Penzel voted "nay". Motion carried.
Meyers explained she was not in favor of making the connection west of
Luther Way a temporary thing contingent on others. Is more in favor
of permanently adopting the street system with the street interconnection
of neighborhoods as recommended by Staff.
Pauly felt we would be better off if we would review it at a later date.
Believes it is a good idea to look at it again once the roads are' in place.
Mayor Penzel concurred with Pauly, commenting if it were left for future
review it would be wiser, recognizing the temporary nature until such time
as that review has taken place.
Osterholt thought the Council should put themselves in the place of
the residents on Luther Way as they Rio not want a decision that is permanent.
Believes it satisfies both sides of the question.
C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Apartments b_y The Preserve, request to rezone
approximately 9 acres from Rural to RM 2.5 for 126 rental apartment units
City Manager Ulstad explained there is an affidavit on file calling for
this Public Hearing, and all affected and abutting property owners have
been notified.
Doug Moe, Doug Moe Architects, spoke to the proposal and answered
questions of Council members.
City Planner Enger spoke to the unanimous recommendation for approval
by the Planning Commission subject to Staff recommendations dated
July 5, 1978, Further that the Parks , Recreation & Natural Resources _
Corxnission reviewed this item at their August 4th meeting and recommended
{ approval on a 5 - 2 vote.
`� Meyers questioned the long-range intent for The Preserve 's horse operation.
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C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Apartments (continued)
John Gertz, The Preserve, explained their intent has been to make
the stables an interim land use' aS it is a multiple site. Further
Mr. Gertz commented that the stables cannot be operated as a profitable business.
and may exist for another year.
Meyers felt the map used to show residents and potential residents is j
misleading as far as the property where the stables are located.
George Bentley, 10800 Fieldcrest Drive, asked Mr. Moe when he met with
The Preserve Homeowners Association, was it a general meeting or an executive
committee meeting. Moe responded it was an executive committee meeting.
Bentley commented the executive committee does not truly represent the
homeowners of The Preserve, it represents the interests of the developer.
The executive committee meetings are not open to the public. In fact, i
the homeowners don' t even know about the meetings . z
William Steinbicker, 9152 Neill Lake Road, stated that in asking questions 3
of The Preserve he was told that the stables were operated privately
but no one told him that the stables were not part of The Preserve
Center, which the homeowners support by yearly dues . Steinbicker commented
The Preserve is going to be tearing down the stables next to the pool and
building Neill Lake Apartments , across the street is Windslope, then
Anderson Lakes Apartments, the Ridgewood condominums, and another apartment
building between The Preserve and Neill Lake. The Preserve is going to have
a miniature downtown Minneapolis . The people who bought in The Preserve
did not have this type of development in mind. When things like this are
developed, it destroys the whole promise that so many of the people bought
whey, they purchased homes in The Preserve.
Bruce Anderson, 9130 Neill Lake Road, assumed the stables were part of
the package deal . Further that if the homeowners don't pay their dues
a lien is put against their home.
Linda Drase, 9125 Neill Lake Road, explained she bought a home in The
Preserve because it was a different area . At the time when she bought
she asked a lot of questions and came away thinking The Preserve was
quite different. The entire character of being rustic and open was not
supposed to change, now 1 1/2 years later she is grossly disappointed.
Mrs. Drase stated a lot of the residents did not know the stables were going
to be an interim use, and if the stables were such a bad idea in the first
place why did The Preserve even start them.
Mr. Gertz explained The Preserve didn' t start the stables to lose, it just
happened. There is no way The Preserve can make a profit on the stables.
Mrs. Craig, 9194 Neill Lake Road, stated she moved into The Preserve to
be close to her horse. There are many stables around that are operating
at a profit and she cannot understand why The Preserve's stables cannot operate
at a profit or at least break even.
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C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Apartments (continued)
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Mr. Rettera th, 9011 High Point Circle, stated the residents have all
had the impression the stables waS one of the amenities. Further that
after seeing all the confusion in rental properties in City of Minneapolis,
wonders how The Preserve will be able to handle rental units. He is
really in dobut as to the good faith of The Preserve. Also apprehensive
about the traffic flow. Feels each and every step of this project should }
be monitored carefully.
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Mr. Steinbi cker commented that a lot of the development that is going on
in The Preserve is excellent. All the residents are asking is that the 4
concept or promise of this type (stables) of recreational area and rustic
setting be kept.
Barb Bergren, 8705 Bentwood Drive, stated the barns and stable were never
mentioned as an interim thing when they were buying their home in The
Preserve.
Don Pennie, 9154 Neill Lake Road, asked if the $60.00 dues paid to The
Preserve includes the use of the mari nay and asked Mr. Gertz if The
Preserve has been advertising the use of a marina in recent promotional
pieces. Mr. Gertz replied they have advertised a marina, however, there
have been problems with weeding of Neill Lake so the marina has not yet
been completed.
Mr. Pennie questioned the use of Neill Lake for this type of a facility.
Mayor Penzel requested Mr. Gertz, Mr. Pennie and Staff review the
Shoreline Management Act to see if there is a conflict.
Pauly stated her inclination is to continue this item for a couple of
reasons: 1) have staff research as to the commitment the City has with
The Preserve, and 2) clarify the new updated Guide Plan as to the
densities. Pauly felt there has been no attempt on the part of The
Preserve to work with the neighbors on this project. Feels, a Lakeshore
site like this deserves input from the people around it.
Osterholt asked that The Preserve prepare an updated plan for this area
and take off areas that are there for window dressing and call it what it
is so the Council can look at an overall plan. Further Osterholt directed
Staff to take the entire Preserve area and take areas that are sensitive)
and meet with The Preserve and go over areas for that reason. Feels
density is too high. Would prefer to see a lower density.
Meyers also agreed that a meeting with the neighbors is necessary and
expressed her extreme disappointment about the misrepresentation to people
who are living in The Preserve.
Penzel commented he would like to see consideration be given to a
modification of the proposal to be more in tine with what the 1978
update Guide Plan speaks clearly too in the 6 - 10 units per acre density
range. Also feels the proximity of the southern units to the lake is too
great.
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C. Anderson Lakes Parkway Apartments (continued)
MOTION: Pauly moved, seconded by Osterholt, to continue the Public
Hearing on the Anderson Lakes Parkivay Apartments to the September 5, 1978
Council meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
IV. REPORTS OF ADVISORY COMMISSIONS
A. Human Rights & Services Commission
Duncan Laidlaw, Chairman of the Human Rights & Services Commission, spoke
to the recommendation of the Commission wholeheartedly supporting the
philosophy of Storefront, however, not recommending the City contribute
the $6,500 as requested by Storefront. Mr. Laidlaw distributed a brochure F
entitled "Proposal for a comprehensive study of human services needs 3
in Eden Prairie; dated August 14, 1978 and prepared by the South Hennepin
Human Services Council .
MOTION: Bye moved, seconded by Meyers, to refer this :natter back to the
Human Rights & Services Commission for review and recommendation.
Motion carried unanimously.
V. ORDINANCES & RESOLUTIONS
- A. Resolution No. 78-144, appointing election judges
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Pauly, to adopt Resolution No.
78-144, appointing election judges . Motion carried unanimously.
B. Resolution No. 78-142, in support of the Bachman/Anderson Office
Development Proposal North of Anderson Lakes
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Bye, to adopt Resolution No.
78-142, in support of the Bachman/Anderson Office Development Proposal
North of Anderson Lakes. Motion carried unanimously.
C. 2nd Reading of Ordinance No. 78-38, C.P.T. Corporation Headquarters,
rezoning from Rural to I-5 Park, and developers agreement
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Pauly, to adopt the 2nd Reading
to Ordinance No. 78-38, C.P.T. Corporation Headquarters, rezoning from
Rural to I-5 Park. Osterholt, Pauly, Meyers and Penzel voted "aye",
Bye "abstained". Motion carried.
MOTION: Meyers moved, seconded by Osterholt, to approve the developers
agreement for C.P.T. Corporation. Meyers, Osterholt, Pauly and Penzel
voted "aye", Bye "abstained" . Motion carried.
D. 2nd Reading of Ordinance No. 78-37, Creekside Heights by Hustad Development,
rezoning from Rural and I-2 Park to R1-13.5 and I-2 Park, and developers
agreement
Council members directed questions to Dick Putnam, representing Hustad
Development Corporation, as to the signatures on the developers agreement,
and also asked who the Pioneer Partners are as referred to in the aqreement.
As questions were not fully answered to the satisfaction of the Council ,
the following motion was made:
D. 2nd Reading_ of Ordinance No. 78-37, Creekside Heights (continued)
MOTION: Meyers moved, seconded by Osterholt, to adopt the 2nd Reading
of Ordinance No. 78-37, Creekside heights, rezoning from Rural and
1-2 Park to R1-13.5 and I-2 Park, *ithhotding publication until the
developers agreement is legally executed to the City Attorney's
satisfaction. Motion carried unanimously.
The following amendments were requested to be made in the developers
agreement: page 3, 2nd paragraph of item 8, City Attorney to work
out new language; page 4, item 15. D. 3. , add "for garage" after
"5 feet"; and, as stated above, that the developers agreement be
legally executed to the City Attorney' s satisfaction. Motion carried
unanimously.
MOTTON- Paijly ffw—ed, seconded by Osterholt, to approve the developers
agreement for Creekside Heights as amended. Motion carried unanimously.
City Manager Ulstad stated that based on the action taken by the Council,
the proponents are requesting a permit to erect two model homes .
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Pauly, to grant a permit to Hustad
to erect 2 model homes subject to the City Manager's approval . Motion
carried unanimously.
VI . REPORTS OF OFFICERS, BOARDS & COMMISSIONS
Reports of Council Members
Councilwoman Meyers made the Council aware of an upcoming special
Cable TV meeting.
B . Report of City Manager
1. Report from Public Safety Department on Park Ordinance No. 77-22
Public Safety Director Hacking and Sergeant Bob Tyson spoke to report
dated August 10, 1978 as submitted to Council members regarding
the use of Ordinance No. 77-22, and answered questions of Council
members.
Sergeant Tyson explained they have received no complaints from citizens
on the use of Ordinance No. 77-22,and the ordinance has worked as
intended and has reduced the number of parties.
2. .1977 Audit Report
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Meyers, to receive and file
the 7977 Audit Report. Motion carried unanimously.
3. Discussion on carbide cannons
General discussion took place regarding the use of carbide cannons in Eden Prairie, and the complaints which have been received.
City Attorney Pauly stated the City`s tools are limited and we do
not have an ordinance which would apply.
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3. Discussion on carbide cannons (continued)
Council directed the City Attorney to communication with
residents in the community who are using carbide cannons,
and inquire as to what the agricultural laws are pertaining
fo same.
C. Report of City Attorney
No report.
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D. Report of Director of Community Services
1. Joint Master Plan for Anderson Lakes
Director of Community Services Lambert requested that this
item be continued until all agencies involved are able to
get together.
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Bye, to continue the
Joint Master Plan for Anderson Lakes as per Bob Lambert's
recommendation. Motion carried unanimously.
2. Tennis Court Plans and Specifications/Prairie View &
Round Lake
Council directed staff to secure an agreement in writing from
the School District allowing the City to put tennis courts
/ on their property before the construction of the tennis
1. courts.
MOTION: Bye moved, seconded by Pauly, to authorize staff
to advertise for bids for construction of two tennis courts at
Prairie View School/Park and two tennis courts at Round Lake
Park. Motion carried unanimously.
E. Report of City Engineer
1. Preliminary plan approval for traffic signals at TH 5 and W. 78th
Street, S.P. 2701-22, I .C. 51-327
MOTION: Pauly moved, seconded by Osterholt, to adopt Resolution
No. 78-144, approving preliminary plans for traffic signs at
TH 5 and 78th Street. Motion carried unanimously.
2. Resolution declaring costs to be assessed and ordering preparation
of _proposed 1978 special assessment rolls and setting hearing date
MOTION: Osterholt moved, seconded by Meyers , to adopt Resolution
No. 78-145, declaring costs to be assessed and ordering preparation
of 1978 special assessment rolls and setting hearing date for
September 19, 1978. Motion carried unanimously.
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VII . NEW BUSINESS
A. Councilwoman Pain requested a resolution be drafted and placed
on the September 5, 1978 Council agenda requesting the Highway
Department to proceed with plans on Highway #212.
VIII . ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Pauly moved, seconded by Bye, to adjourn the Council Meeting at
12:35 AM. Motion carried unanimously.
MEMO
TO: Mayor Fenzel and Members of the City Council
THROUGH: Roger Ulstad, City Manager
FROM: Carl Jullie, City Engineer
DATE: Augyst 11, 1978
SUBJECT: Recommended Street System
for the Round Lake Area
At the July 5, 1978, Council meeting, in conjunction with the proposed
rezoning and platting of the Lake Trail Estates subdivision, the Council
directed that public hearings be held before the Planning Commission and
also the City Council regarding a comprehensive street system plan for
the general area north of T.H. 5 and West County Road 4 in the vicinity
of Round Lake. The primary issues to be addressed included: 1) the exten-
sion of Luther way, 2) alternate access for Heritage Road, and 3) align-
ment for Valley View Road.
On Monday, July 24, 1978, the Planning Commission conducted a hearing on
the staff recommended street system which is shown as "Alternate IA" :in the at-
tached minutes. The area notified for this hearing included all proper-
ties from County Road 4 to the west line of Heritage Park between T.H. 5
and the Milwaukee Railroad. The minutes of this hearing and the Planning
Commission recommendations are attached hereto.
The staff has the following recommendations regarding the street system plan
for the Round Lake Area (refer to Exhibit A):
1. Luther Way Extension_
r Luther Way should be extended westerly in accordance with Alternate
IA (which has been incorporated in Exhibit A), thus providing an
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interconnection of existing and future residential neighborhoods.
The interconnection would be very indirect, thus discouraging any
thru traffic from Valley View Road and the proposed high school
site. The advantages of interconnecting neighborhoods include.
1) alternate access routes in case of emergency, 2) more even
distribution of traffic, 3) more efficient snow plowing and school
bus routes, 4) inter-neighborhood travel is possible without using
major highways.
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The surfacing on existing Luther Way is in good condition and with
proper maintenance can withstand for several years the added
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traffic (est. 500-800 trip/day) which will result when the inter-
connection is completed and full development occurs.
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Kirk Meadows subdivision (5 years?) Luther Way would be reconstructed
to City standards as a 32' wide residential thru street. This same
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street design will be required in the new subdivisions to the west
of Kirk Meadows.
If Luther Way is extended as proposed, .and unanticipated traffic
problems do occur, it would be possible to utilize one-way streets
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to help mitigate such problems.
2. Alternate access for Heritage a Road
The residents in Heritage Park and Round Lake Estates 1st Addition
have expressed a strong concern and desire for an alternate access
other than the Heritage Road/T.H. 5 intersection. They have
suggested that some form of connection to existing Luther Way is
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essential , even with a connection to Valley View Road or W. 78th
St. and an additional connection to T.N. 5.
The staff concurs that the Luther Way connection will help relieve
the Heritage Road/T.H. 5 intersection, but that also a northerly
connection to new Valley View Road or W. 72nd St. in the absence
of Valley View Road, is a necessary component for the proper long-
term access to these neighborhoods.
3. Alignment for Valley View Road
As directed by the City Council the staff is in the process of
preparing a detailed feasibility report for the extension of Valley
View Road west of County Road 4 to Tartan Curve and also Dell
Road from Duck Lake Trail to the south line of Hidden Ponds 2nd
( Addition. At the present time, certain information is 'lacking
from the Milwaukee Railroad Co. and Minn. D.O.T. regarding the
requirements for the railroad underpass structure and the need
and extent of a railroad by-pass during construction of the under-
pass structure. This information is necessary to properly com-
plete the report. Also, we are reviewing the need for sanitary
sewer, watermain and storm sewer service along the Valley View
Road alignment.
Exhibit B shows a typical section of the design for the proposed
Valley View Road. The design must conform to Municipal State aid
standards to be eligible for State Aid funding, The key design
elements are as follows:
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48' wide driving surface with concrete
curb and gutter
10,000 A.D.T. projected, traffic volume and
35 MPH speed limit for design purposes.
(present traffic on Co. Rd. 4 is approx. 6 ,000 A.D.T. )
5' concrete sidewalks on both sides
3 pedestrian overpasses in Round Lake School/Park area
Traffic signal at Co. Rd. 4 intersection
Installation of required utilities, including
sanitary sewer, watermain and storm sewer
Cost elements:
$30/ft. Road surfacing
$8/ft. Curb and gutter
$12/ft. Sidewalks
$30/ft. Drainage
$20/ft Grading
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$40,000 ea. Pedestrian overpass
$75,000 ea. Traffic signal at Co. Rd. 4
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Special assessments for Valley View Road and Dell Road improvements
would be levied to abutting, assessable properties at the
rate of $25 per foot for single family residential property and
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$30 per foot for the Round Lake school/park property. The rate of
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$23 per foot would apply in the Maple Leaf Acres project in accor-
dance with the approvals for that development. The balance of the
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project cost would be funded through a combination of state aid
and general fund bonding by the City.
Exhibit C showns four alternate alignments for Valley View Road
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between the terminus points of County Road 4 at existing Valley
View Road and the proposed railroad underpass northwest of
Round Lake. Following Exhibit C are listings of the pros and
cons for each alternate. It is the City staff's opinion that
the Direct Route remains the most feasible alternate for the
alignment of Valley View Road through the Round Lake Area.
RECOMMENDATIONS
The staff recommends to the City Council as follows: 4
1. Recieve this memo of 8/11/78 giving conceptual approava, w the
comprehensive street system plan as shown on Exhibit A. .
2. Direct the staff to continue the feasibility study for the exten-
sion of Valley View Road based on the direct alignment alternate,
with construction to be programmed for the summer of 1979.
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TO: THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE EDEN PRAIRIE CITY COUNCIL
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Attached is a petition signed by residents of Heritage Park First Addition and l
Round Lake Estates First Addition.
There is presently one ingress and egress to these additions. The Plan is for
another access onto Highway #5 off the proposed Lake Trail Estates which wilt
tie in with Heritage Road in the future. With the predominant number of residents
using Heritage Road turning East onto Highway #5 due to work, school and services,
another access onto Highway #5 does not remedy the problem because of the ever-
increasing saturation on Highway #5. The residents strongly believe that because
of the aforesaid, the best solution is an access to the East to County Road#4,
preferably connecting with Luther Warr.
1. There has to be an access to the East before any additional construction
brings more traffic onto Heritage Road.
C 2. The residents who attended the Auguct 76. 1977 City Council meeting
were told they would have an access to the East before any additional
construction was done.
3. The question is why is the present proposal'not connecting with Luther
Way,
4. A proposed Plan for access to the North does not solve the problem be-
cause most of the residents exiting Heritage Road go East on Highway #5.
The best solution is for access directly to the East to County Road 04.
5. What if there is an accident on Highway #5 or Heritage Road and there
is an emergency in the area such as a fire or need of an ambulance or
police assistance? There has to be another access to the area. Access
from County Road ##4 directly West would insure that the emergency
vehicles could get through to the area in the least amount of time.
6. The area was not notified when the proposed street plans and utility
designs were discussed.
7. The concern is with future development in the remaining open areas, and
because of this, the most sound planning is access to the East to County
Road #4.
8. The proposed access to Highway #5 from Lake Trail Estates during peak
traffic will be almost impossible because of the stacking of traffic in the
East bound lane at th-e semaphore on County Road #4 and Highway 05 and
then the semaphore release of the West bound traffic.
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