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FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION
THURSDAY,JANUARY 8, 2015 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER
HERITAGE ROOM 1
8080 Mitchell Road
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chair Jeff Larsen (arrived late); Vice-Chair
Keith Tschohl; Commissioners: Benjamin
McQuillan, Joseph Sutila and Mike Wilson
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Jay Erwin and Caryl Hansen
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Britta Carlsen (absent), Brian Gilje
STAFF: George Esbensen, Fire Chief; Jan Curielli,
City Recorder
VISITORS: Jennifer Lewis, MAC Representative
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Vice Chair Tschohl called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: McQuillan moved, seconded by Sutila, to approve the agenda as published.
Motion carried4-0.
III. PUBLIC COMMENT
There was no public comment.
Wilson said they received some complaints from Shelly Nelson and a couple of residents
in her neighborhood about activity last Saturday. Esbensen said Mrs. Nelson indicated
she might attend the meeting tonight but she has not yet shown up.
Chair Larsen arrived at 7:07 PM and assumed the Chair.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. COMMISSION MEETING HELD THURSDAY,JULY 10, 2014
Larsen said his last name should be spelled "Larsen" in Paragraph 1.
B. COMMISSION MEETING HELD THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2014
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Hansen emailed two corrections to the November 13 minutes: "Erwin", not
"Irwin" in the list of Commission Members Absent; "Elliott", not "Eliot" in Item
VIII.A. and on Page 6, Paragraph 5. Sutila said the name "Proelx" should be
spelled "Proulx" in the list of visitors; Page 4, Paragraph 4; and Page 6, Paragraph
7. Larsen said Sentence 2 of Item V.E.3. should be changed to "Mr. Schmidt
replied any place from which you can see is inside the fence."
MOTION: Tschohl moved, seconded by Sutila, to approve the July 10 and
November 13, 2014 minutes as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
V. DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. UPDATES ON HELICOPTER NOISE ABATEMENT STRATEGY FROM
NOV 14 MEETING
1. Review New Helicopter Operations Letter of Agreement--Attached
Wilson reviewed the changes made in the letter of agreement. He noted
the helicopter hover area will be known as the helicopter area. He said
they looked at putting in a second practice area; however Hummingbird
Aviation said they don't use two areas at once. They also have received
two more hangar requests that would take the proposed second area out of
the picture. He pointed out the helicopter operation areas delineated on a
map of the airport and noted they are landing more at the mid-field point.
Jennifer Lewis arrived at 7:22 PM.
Tschohl asked about use of the south hangar area if they are building
there. Wilson replied it depends on whether the tower moves, and they
would revisit the issue if that happens.
Larsen asked how big the helicopter area is. Wilson said approximately
600 X 600. Larsen asked if there would be a problem with safety next to
the hangars for the center area. Wilson said the concern is with the second
hangar to the west because the tower operates blind in that area.
Larsen asked if the map slide was reviewed with Hummingbird. Wilson
replied Hummingbird helped to develop it. Larsen asked if the drawings
are correct in the handout. Ms Lewis said they are correct.
Sutila asked about the white spot on the west end of the map. Wilson said
that is a future addition. Larsen asked when that would occur. Wilson said
it would probably not occur in that location.
Ms Lewis said the information will be distributed to their email
correspondents and at pilot briefings.
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Larsen asked if Hummingbird is the only one directly impacted at this
point. Wilson said all the other helicopter operators and flight training
with Hummingbird are impacted. Larsen wanted to make sure those who
aren't heavy users are not missed with the new information.
Wilson said Hummingbird is doing an excellent job in modifying the
routes. They are trying to be good neighbors. Larsen commented he was
impressed at the last meeting by Mr. Cooper's composure and the clear
way he explained his concerns and considerations. He felt we have gotten
excellent responses on virtually everything we have brought up with
people at the airport.
B. NOISE COMPLAINTS/STAGE 2 OPERATIONS REPORT -- MAC
Ms Lewis said, while there were fewer complaints in November, 481 complaints
were received in December, about twice what was received in December of
previous years. They are not sure why there were so many this year but there was
nice weather for much of the month of December. She said the data for December
was better so they have fewer unknowns, which is good because they are not able
to follow up on unknowns. They sent out 18 letters and have had a good response
from those who received first time letters, which indicates the process is working.
She said any helicopter operation that generates a letter will get a copy of the
agreement.
Ms Lewis said they recently received phone calls from Mrs. Nelson and a couple
of other residents in her neighborhood. The phone calls were triggered by an
operation last weekend and were complaints about hours and in particular the
hours of helicopter operations. They investigated and determined the operation
was not a Hummingbird operation. Mrs. Nelson said she felt the helicopter
operations were bothersome so she did not have confidence the new letter of
agreement would have an impact. She wanted to pursue additional actions
because this does not do the job.
Larsen asked what that helicopter operation was doing. Lewis said there were two
unknown and three known operations but none of them were operating for several
hours, and all operations occurred from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM. She said they can't
be sure what type of helicopter it was.
McQuillan asked if Mrs. Nelson is aware of the large helicopter operations there
which include the main operation for mosquito control as well as several TV
station news coverage helicopters. He thought Mrs. Nelson might be confusing
Hummingbird helicopter noise with other helicopter noise. A lot of people have
put a lot of effort into this letter of agreement, and she has already stated that it
isn't working. He was concerned how long it will be before we go back to the way
things were so that Hummingbird can cut out the added expenses they incur to
follow the terms of the new letter of agreement. He asked if there has been any
concern expressed by Hummingbird about the less efficient operations required.
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Wilson said they do see some of those from Hummingbird because Mr. Cooper
goes to great lengths to accommodate the agreement.
Sutila asked the name of the other operator. McQuillan said it is Scott's
Helicopters. Tschohl noted that Mr. Nelson stated at the November meeting that
the mosquito and news helicopters were not a concern. Esbensen noted Mrs.
Nelson also said their main complaint was with the training after dark. Wilson
commented it appears the Nelsons are complaining about things other than
helicopters. Ms Lewis said that was true and noted the number of complaints
regarding helicopters are still very low. She believes we have done as much as we
can do to address this issue. She would like to see what happens during the busy
time of the year so we can see how many correlated helicopter complaints there
are and who the operators are. Tschohl noted the larger number of complaints
made in September and October appears to be gone but he would expect the
numbers to increase with warmer weather.
Larsen agreed with the way Ms Lewis would like to proceed. He thought there
was a high probability that the Nelsons and others in their neighborhood will
contact us numerous times in the future wanting to tweak things. He said we have
made an effort to try to deal with the concerns they brought to us. He would like
to see how this goes and get some sense of what the results are,based on the data
we get in the future. He noted we will have a different situation if we start hearing
from other operators about increased costs or inconvenient use because of the
changes made. He said he appreciated the efforts that everyone concerned has
made in this.
Regarding the Stage 2 Operations Report, Ms Lewis said they have not received a
response from the operator who conducted the operation in October. Wilson said
he will check his email for that.
C. ONGOING DEVELOPMENTS AT FCM
1. MAC Development Parcels
Wilson said there are no changes regarding the development parcels.
2. New Hangar Areas
Wilson said they have six or seven hangar requests, one of which has been
approved. Larsen asked how tall the hangar on the west end will be and if
it will create a sight problem for the tower. Wilson said they have to be
able to see the taxiway and runway, so it should not be a line of sight
issue. Larsen asked why these requests are coming now. Wilson said for a
while they were not sure anyone was going over there but now others are
taking that area.
Sutila asked if the requests are corporate. Wilson said two are corporate
and the others are private. Sutila asked what they see happening to the
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summer air show as these hangars develop. Wilson said he thought they
could accommodate those. McQuillan thought they could probably go
back to the area in front of Executive.
3. New Observation Area
Wilson said they will be discussing this subject more in the next year.
They have a goal to do more evaluation of the airports to see where we
could possibly place such areas. He suggested revisiting the issue next fall.
D. 2015 WORK PLAN
1. Review Draft
2. City Council Presentation (January 20, 2015)
Larsen said the Council wants a brief interaction with the Commission
about our plans for 2015 at a meeting on January 20.
Tschohl distributed copies of a draft for Commission members to review.
He said the draft is similar to the format used last year and includes an
update of the work plan and a list of the accomplishments for 2014. He
reviewed the accomplishments and the proposed goals for 2015.
Larsen suggested we highlight that we had specific discussions with
several residents of Eden Prairie about the noise situation,particularly in
regard to noise from helicopters. It would be good to advise the City
Council that we are interacting with members of the public to explain and
educate them as to what is being done about noise. We have met several
times with frequent complainants in order to alleviate concern on the part
of the residents. He suggested stating that a letter of agreement was put
together by the airport manager and the tower to modify the status quo
regarding helicopter operations after complaints were received from
residents. Wilson suggested the December 11 agreement be included in
the major accomplishments for the year.
Regarding the general goal about reducing nighttime noise, Ms Lewis said
they do not have a way to measure night-time noise. Tschohl said we
might be able to reduce resident's dissatisfaction about noise even though
we don't reduce the noise.
Ms Lewis suggested adding something about the placement of a noise
monitor that will be used to investigate maintenance run-ups. She pointed
out the proposed location of the monitor on the map and noted it will be a
measuring tool to see if a run-up occurred. She said it will be elevated and
is part of the monitoring process for the Final Agreement. Wilson noted
there had been a monitor at that location but this one will be more
permanent. Tschohl said he could put it in as a specific goal for 2015 and
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asked if it will be used to gauge general noise levels. Ms Lewis said it will
be set to record events that exceed three minutes. It will run on solar and
battery power which will be a limitation. She thought we might install
something more permanent if this one works out.
Tschohl asked if they have ever done any community level monitoring
around Flying Cloud or at the other airports. Ms Lewis said the St. Paul
airport has a program to do a noise monitoring study once a year. The
study is used to correlate noise to flights at the St. Paul airport. She said
they also did monitoring in Eden Prairie in 2009 when they conducted the
noise monitoring of residences in the area. Tschohl asked what happens to
the data collected by the program in St. Paul. Ms Lewis replied they
conduct the monitoring so they can compare the data from year to year.
The reports from that program are on the website and summarize all the
noise data collected. She thought they might be able to evaluate the
program to see if it could be used in this community.
Larsen suggested Mr. Tschohl make the changes discussed tonight and
then present the report to the City Council. He noted all Commission
members are welcome to attend the meeting,but only one person will
present the report.
E. EXPIRING COMMISSIONER TERMS (MARCH 2O15)
1. Jeffrey Larsen -- Community Rep
2. Joseph Sutila -- Community Rep
3. Ben McQuillan -- Business Rep
Larsen noted there are three Commission members whose terms expire in
March 2015. He suggested the Commission might like to have another
meeting prior to April 1 when the new Commission is seated as there are
some details that have not been resolved. He said a meeting on March 12
would give the Commission time to clear up some of the details such as
cleaning up the website. There is outdated information on the website and
not a lot of current information. The limited number of meetings the
Commission has scheduled makes it very easy to not deal with everything.
Tschohl said he would prefer to stay on the regular schedule. The website
has been a continuing topic for over a year. He noted we have not had
much feedback from the changes to the helicopter operations. Wilson
asked when the new Commission members would be brought in. Larsen
said the next term starts April 1, and the Council will assign the Chair and
Vice Chair positions.
Sutila said he planned to apply to stay on the Commission for another
term. McQuillan said he now has additional jobs and won't stay on the
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Commission, but he has discussed some ideas for another Business
Representative with Mr. Esbensen.
VI. EDUCATIONAL ITEMS - Airport Tour with Student Reps and Other Interested
Commissioners
Tschohl said he would like to get the new Commission members and the students on the
airport tour. Wilson said he would prefer to schedule it in May. Tschohl suggested
discussing it at the next meeting.
VII. NOISE ABATEMENT/AIRCRAFT INCIDENTS
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
A. AIRPORT AND COMMISSION WEBSITE UPDATES
Tschohl said, after talking to Mr. Esbensen at the November meeting, he will take
an action to go through the website and discuss it with City staff. He would like to
see if there is anything we can do to streamline the website and to cut down on the
number of old reports.
IX. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Next Commission Meeting--April 9, 2015
The consensus was to keep the next meeting on April 9. Tschohl thanked Mr.
Larsen and Mr. McQuillan for their years of service on the Commission.
Wilson said there is a project on Taxiway Alpha coming up next year. They will award
bids in February and will start construction in August. Construction will be done in four
phases, and the north parallel runway will have to be closed for a total of 23 days during
the construction. It is a simple project to reconstruct the pavement. Tschohl asked if there
are any hangar tear-downs planned for the 2016 phase. Wilson said they are in
negotiations with the FAA about funding for the project.
Wilson said there are some equipment purchases planned for the reliever airports this
year. FCA will be getting a new snow-blower in 2015, at a cost of almost$700,000.
There will be new plow trucks and additional funds for SUVs and tractors.
III. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: McQuillan moved, seconded by Tschohl, to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried 5-0. Chair Larsen adjourned the meeting at 9:02 PM.