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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFlying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission - 05/08/2008 APPROVED MINUTES FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION THURSDAY, MAY 8, 2008 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER Heritage Rooms 1 & 2 8080 Mitchell Road COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chair Rick King, Vice-Chair Jeff Larsen, Commissioners: Judy Gentry, Joe Harris, Greg McKewan, Mark Michelson and Kurt Schendel COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None VISITORS: Scott Skramstad, MAC Chad Leqve, MAC Police Chief Rob Reynolds Assistant Fire Chief Kip Springer Mark Starkey, TSA Inspector Warren McVey, FAA Mitch Anderson, Private Pilot STAFF: Scott Kipp, Senior Planner Carol Pelzel, City Recorder I. CALL TO ORDER Chair King called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. King thanked the City's Police Chief, Assistant Fire Chief and the Minnesota Transportation Security Inspector for attending this meeting to update the Commission on airport security. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA King said he would like to add a handout on a neighborhood meeting and material on the 2008 work plan based on feedback he received from the Commission. Larsen said he would like an update on the delay of roadwork on Pioneer Trail and a report from MAC regarding the hangar fire that occurred at Crystal Airport. MOTION: Schendel moved, seconded by Michelson, to approve the agenda as amended. Motion carried, 7-0. III. SWEARING IN OF NEW COMMISSIONER A. Judith Gentry Kipp administered the oath of office to new Commission member Gentry. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 2 IV. PUBLIC COMMENT V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A. March 13, 2008 Minutes Larsen asked that on Page 8, last paragraph, second sentence, Manaber be corrected to Manager. Michelson asked that on Page 3, last paragraph, second sentence, word "there"be changed to "their". On Page 4, first paragraph, eighth sentence add "...., about 39 percent of the FAA budget" to the end of that sentence. Michelson also asked that on Page 4 after the first paragraph, a new paragraph be added that reads: "Michelson stated that General Aviation is greatly subsidized by the taxpayer. Over 90 percent of the money received by General Aviation from the FAA, most of it through taxpayer funding and not through the AATF, is money that didn't come from General Aviation." King said that if the Commission feels that Michelson did make the comments he is adding to the March 13 minutes it is okay to make the changes so that it is an accurate record. Correcting something that was misstated is fine but if they are plowing new ground they can't change discussion. King said from his perspective, these are things that were said at the meeting and to have those comments captured is fine and he does not believe Michelson is extending his comments. Michelson said he did prepare a script that he presented at the March 13 meeting and his changes came directly from that script. MOTION: Larsen moved, seconded by McKewan, to approve the March 13, 2008 minutes as amended. Motion carried 6-0-1 with Gentry abstaining because she was not a member of the Commission at that time. VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS A. Airport Security Review King explained that the Commission did their airport security report a little less than a year ago and at that time they agreed to look at this in a year's time to see where they were at and to determine if additional things needed to be accomplished. He asked that MAC summarize what they have done and that they get the opinions of both Police and Fire as to airport security and to have them report on what they have done at the airport with regard to security. King said he has also asked Mark Starkey from TSA to provide the Commission with perspective in terms of the things that are going on at Flying Cloud versus other comparable airports. King said his goal is to determine if where they are at with regards to security is sufficient. He stated that the final outcome of this FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 3 presentation should be a report back to the City Council stating that they have reviewed security at Flying Cloud as stated they would do in their report to the Council and if necessary, they may make other recommendations. Police Chief Reynolds explained that at last year's meeting they talked about what they felt to be the best thing with regards to airport security and that was the airport version of the neighborhood watch and to build a relationship with the FBO's and private hangar owners. They asked them to keep an eye open and to call Police with anything suspicious. This is the same thing that they have for the entire City. Reynolds said they encourage them to call when things don't look right. He reported that since the last meeting, signage has been changed as well as changes made to fencing. Fences do make a nice deterrent and they cause crime relocation. Reynolds said that with the new lighting, fencing and signage, he is very comfortable with the level of security at Flying Cloud. The extra lighting has been helpful to both the people who have hangars at the airport and for the officers that patrol the area. He indicated that the Police Department does have an airport liaison officer who attends the various events at Flying Cloud and their goal is to educate and to build a relationship with the owners. With regard to activity at Flying Cloud, Reynolds reported that they had 28 Police calls with most of them being service related. There was one suspicious incident, three disturbing the peace and one disorderly conduct. The disturbing the peace calls were noise related and the disorderly conduct call was also noise related; the result of motorcycles racing on airport property. The suspicious incident call was cleared and unfounded. Reynolds said they also looked at national statistics and found that in 2007 there were three airplanes reported stolen from reliever airports which is down from eight in 2006. In 2002 the number was 13. It appears that some of the preventive measures put into place by airport organizations are having some effect. Assistant Fire Chief Springer explained that every two years they inspect each entity at the Flying Cloud and will be doing so again this summer. They have one fire inspector dedicated solely to the airport for those inspections. They also have a partnership with Flying Cloud for emergency readiness and he believes they have almost every building owner on that program. Springer stated that from a performance perspective, they are always looking at training and working with the airport. They look at ways of incorporating airport response into their training. Larsen asked if the Fire Department has had any interaction with the people at the Crystal Airport who reacted to that fire as to what happened and what they would recommend. Springer said he is not aware of any communication with them. Harris pointed out that Eden Prairie's Fire and Police are the model that other municipalities are trying to follow. The Fire Inspector spends a lot of time at the airport to learn the grounds as do the Police liaisons who also work at getting to know the FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 4 people at the airport. He explained that the Fire Department has conducted training at the airport several times. Eden Prairie has documentation as to what is in the hangars because they go through the hangars. Harris stated that other municipalities are well behind Eden Prairie and Eden Prairie has made Flying Cloud Airport a priority. The tenants appreciate the presence the Police and Fire Departments have at the airport. King suggested that it might be helpful if Springer asked Chief Esbensen if he has had any dialogue regarding the Crystal incident. King said he also recalls that there is a new fire truck coming on line to be used for the airport. Springer said they did receive a rescue truck from the airport and they are looking at purchasing another vehicle that would be a combination for aircraft and other facilities. Larsen said it appeared in the Crystal Airport hangar fire there were some activities occurring in that hangar that burned. Harris explained that everything was handled appropriately from all ends. It was a 13-stall hangar with ten airplanes within the hangar. A tenant was working on an antique bus in one of the empty stalls. They will be having a tenant meeting with the tenants explaining that they need to help identify abuse of hangar space. At Flying Cloud they see less of those sorts of activities than at any other airport. Springer said that in his 19 years of fire service he feels as confident as ever that they are capable of responding to an airport fire. King said that other than brining water to the north side terminals, is there any other safety factors Springer feels this group should inquire about. Springer said there is nothing he can think of. Harris stated that the biggest concern is runway safety and the level of communication between the tower and Police and Fire. They have made a huge improvement with that compared to what it used to be. Mark Starkey, TSA, said that with regard to security, Flying Cloud Airport is ahead of most airports their size in general aviation. He strongly recommends to airports that they develop an airport watch program. He suggested that they continue to review their program looking at ways to improve signage which helps to control the funneling of activity into the facility to very specific locations. Starkey said he would like to compliment the Commission on their continued dedication to the security of the airport and they use Flying Cloud's guide as a model. Starkey said the aviation community is a very tight community and that is one of the reasons why a neighborhood program works so well at airports. King said it is good to know that they are advanced in security for the Minnesota airports and he wanted to make sure that they are a leader and he appreciates Starkey's comments. Starkey suggested they position themselves to continually review their security plan and to talk to other airports of all sizes. As long as they continue to have liaisons with MAC, they will have all of the information from the other airports. If FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 5 down the road regulation becomes a reality, they will have positioned themselves so that it will be an easy implementation. King asked Starkey if there is anything he sees that they should be thinking about doing with regard to security. Starkey responded that there is nothing specific but to continually review their document and look for improvements. If a gate is not needed, eliminate it and if lighting is not sufficient, fix it and if there are new tenants, make sure that Police and Fire know that. Starkey said TSA has a program on-line that talks about general aviation security and this may be something the Commission may want to look at. This is a great tool to use and he suggested it be given to the airport tenants. King asked that Starkey e-mail the website to Kipp so that they can look at it. King asked Harris to provide the Commission with an update as to what they have done between last year and this year relative airport security. Harris reported that they continue to foster and develop relationships with the Police and Fire. They have been very fortunate in that the Fire Department has developed training sessions at the airport. Harris stated that one of the biggest things that occurred was the updating of their safety document that was created in 2004. It also afforded him the opportunity to meet with all of the commercial tenants by handing out the document. Harris said he believes the biggest improvement made at the airport was the lighting. They added 13 security lights but also updated existing lights with bulbs that illuminated a much larger area. Harris explained that they continue to look at the security gate system and they did an inventory of gate openings at Flying Cloud and actually closed one of the gates and funneled a majority of the north site traffic through one gate. They are limiting their gate accesses. They also improved airport signage and updated all of the security signage. Harris said there have been a lot of other intangible benefits. King said he believes a lot of good progress has been made with regards to security at Flying Cloud Airport and this has been confirmed this evening. Harris asked Starkey if he is aware of how Flying Cloud and Holman Field will be affected by the Republican National Convention (RNC) that will be held in St. Paul this fall. Starkey answered that there has been a security assessment on everything including other methods of transit. This assessment has included all of the airports that are being considered or looked at. They may have to increase what they do now on a daily basis but there has not been any formal information provided. Harris said that from an operations perspective, the role they see Flying Cloud having with the RNC is that some aircraft may utilize Flying Cloud. He does not believe there will be a lot of aircraft parked at the airport. Normally, they will drop people off and leave but feels that Holman Field will be the primary airport. Starkey said they will be using gateway airports where an airplane that wants to use Holman Field will first stop at another Minnesota or Wisconsin airport and go through security and then continue onto Holman. They may also be moving traffic to Flying Cloud. They will be looking at what the flight restrictions will be during the RNC and he imagines there will be some impact to Flying Cloud. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 6 King said that a concern of the City's residents is increased operations during the convention and if they are expecting increased flights, they should know that ahead of time so that the residents know what to expect and know that it is related to the RNC. It is important that this information is relayed to the residents. Michelson asked Harris if they have a list of things they would like seen done at Flying Cloud with regard to security or does he feel they are where they need to be. Harris responded that right now he is fairly comfortable with what they have and with working with the different entities they are in a good position. Mitch Anderson, a private pilot at Flying Cloud, said that the AOPA is encouraging the continuation of the airport watch program and to make sure that pilots are securing their airplanes and hangars for that extra level of security. King said he would recommend that the Commission's staff liaison Kipp write a brief update report to the City Council informing them that this Commission has done a review of airport security and who was in attendance at this meeting. The report should include the general findings that they have discussed and to let the Council know that the Commission is in support of what has been done and are satisfied and will continue to be vigilant with regards to security at Flying Cloud Airport. King also suggested that they recommend to the Council that the Commission formally review security at the airport every other year unless there are extraordinary circumstances. Larsen said it would be a good idea for this Commission to review this report prior to it being submitted to the Council in case they would like to add any comments to the report. King said that could be done and if there are major changes to the report they should hold it over until the next Commission meeting. MOTION: Motion was made by King, seconded by Michelson, to accept the information from guests this evening and as a result, the Commission believes that Flying Cloud Airport is in good shape in terms of security given where they are and what the improvements have been and that the Commission further believes that as a result, they should continue to provide updates to the City on security but to do so on a biannual increment or as the need may arise. The motion carried 7-0. MOTION: Motion was made by Larsen, seconded by Michelson, to ask Staff Liaison Kipp to send an update to the City Council and that he send to the Commission members for their consideration prior to providing to the City Council. The motion carried 7-0. On behalf of the Commission, King expressed his appreciation to the guests this evening and thanked them for attending this meeting and for the work they are doing at the airport. Schendel suggested that if there is any training scheduled by the Police or Fire Department at the Airport and if possible, the Airport Commission members be invited to observe that training. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 7 B. Zero Expansion Presentation King suggested that the Commission discuss the presentation made by Laura Neuman of the Zero Expansion Group at a previous meeting. He suggested that MAC representatives also respond to the presentation and to the questions that were raised at that meeting. King explained that some of the major things that were brought up have been addressed by MAC and he asked Leqve to explain what has been done. Leqve explained that some of the issues raised at the meeting with the Zero Expansion Group leads into the next agenda item, MAC Nighttime Query on Aircraft Type and Count. Neuman raised some legitimate observations as they relate to the information published on the internet, specifically nighttime operations. At that time, there were some questions raised about the functionality of the interactive operations reporting on the Web and possibly adding some additional capabilities for residents to generate reports on nighttime flights. The system they have draws the noise data specifically for the MSP Airport and a host of challenges were presented to monitor flights from another airport. They are using the best possible information they can but there are some existing considerations that need to be made from the fact that this data is impacted by other things. That language has been added to the website and they are trying to assess nighttime operations at Flying Cloud Airport. Leqve further explained that the agreement between the City and MAC requires that MAC provide some reporting functionality on their website. MAC staff reviewed the various reports on the website and asked themselves how they could get more specific information as it relates to nighttime operations. They would like that information to include nighttime filters and to include the footnote consistent with the comments from the Zero Expansion group. Leqve said they are in the process of updating the MSP system which is one of the largest systems in the world with 39 permanently located noise meters at MSP. Leqve said they reviewed the current flight track and noise monitoring system architecture. There are issues in trying to use radar at an airport that is located 12 miles away from MSP. As they move forward in replacing their system, the Noise Oversight Committee is looking at how to address this system using today's technology and meeting FAA requirements. Currently, they are proposing to not upgrade the 39 noise monitors because they are good and reliable. Leqve stated that $500,000 has been budgeted for this year to upgrade three main elements of the system including flight track data acquisition, data processing and reporting and analysis capability. The solution for a flight track data acquisition system is multilateration. This will provide them with greater data integrity, availability and reliability. Multilateration will give them unrestricted data use, compatibility with the FAA's "Next Gen"plan and scalability. Leqve said he hoped this information would provide the Commission with an update as to what MAC is doing and the assurance that there might be an opportunity for Flying Cloud to obtain additional information. In response to a question from King, Leqve stated that they hope to obtain this system by the end of the year and they are currently in contract negotiations. Gentry asked if FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 8 after one year, would Flying Cloud have this system. Leqve responded that the focus of this project is primarily for MSP International Airport. Once they move over to this system, their flight tracking capability could be there and they could possibly have flight track coverage at Flying Cloud. Skramstad pointed out that this new system is designed to enhance MSP, not lose what they have at Flying Cloud. It will give them the opportunity to provide even better data than what they currently have. King asked the Commission if they would like to encourage MAC to include Flying Cloud in this process as soon as possible and perhaps even in the initial activities. If they felt this was a possibility, this Commission could make a motion to support this activity. This is a huge break through for noise tracking and he would like to see it implemented at Flying Cloud in the current cycle. King asked Leqve if this is something MAC would consider. Leqve said that if this is the wishes of this group, a motion or action by this group or a communication should be sent to Jeff Hamiel, Executive Director, with a copy to Leqve. King said that if this Commission believes it would be beneficial they should go on record thanking them for funding this project and ask them to strongly support the extension of the project to Flying Cloud. McKewan asked as proposed, how close would the coverage come to Flying Cloud. Skramstad responded that Flying Cloud's coverage would not change, there would be no improvement. Michelson asked what would have to be done to include Flying Cloud in this project. Leqve said they would have to add sensors that may require more hardware and cost a little more money. He explained they are currently in negotiations and not everything has been finalized. Gentry asked if this has been done at any other airports and if they know what the results are. Leqve answered that other airports have used this system and the results have been great. The new system will allow them to collect a lot more data and the data is much more accurate. King explained that MAC is proposing to implement a different system that will provide immediate results and better information about flight tracks at MSP. He asked if they could add Flying Cloud into that mix for 2009. There would be immediate benefits for flight tracks today and is not dependent on any FAA system. Leqve responded that their current focus is MSP and if they were to include Flying Cloud, they could be doing tracking capabilities with accuracy. Larsen said he likes the idea of including Flying Cloud in this project. He asked if it wouldn't be more appropriate that they as a Commission make a recommendation to the City Manager and City Council versus contacting MAC directly. Larsen questioned what this Commission can take on since they are an advisory group to the City Council and he did not want to be overstepping their authority. Larsen said he feels this is very exciting and interesting and he feels they should do what they can to encourage Flying Cloud to be included in the project. King said he understands Larsen's concern but if they go to the Council and then MAC doesn't include the project there may be some concerns about working together. King said it is his intent to encourage MAC to add FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 9 Flying Cloud and if they do, then the Commission can let the City Council know that their relationship with MAC is good and if it isn't included, there is no need to get the City Council involved. King said he does not believe they are overstepping their bounds. Michelson said there is also a time element involved. Leqve said he would like to know as soon as possible whether or not Flying Cloud is going to be included because they are in the middle of negotiations. Kipp said he agrees if the Commission is throwing this out as an idea and if MAC agrees then they can present it to the City Council. Larsen said if staff does not think this is a problem he does not have any objection to contacting MAC directly. He said that they need to include in their recommendation the time consideration so that everyone understands that there is a certain degree of urgency. MOTION: Motion was made by King, seconded by McKewan, that the Commission commends the MAC for its multilateration project and, that as a Commission, they unanimously request that the MAC consider inclusion of Flying Cloud Airport in the current project contemplated to be complete by the end of 2008. The Commission offers this motion now understanding that time criticality and that the MAC is in final negotiations with the vendor and wants to ensure enough time would be included in the ultimate contract. Further, that the Commission Chair or Commission Staff Liaison write a letter representing this motion to Executive Director of the MAC copying the Commission's MAC liaisons to indicate our appreciation for their work with the multilateration project and to request inclusion of Flying Cloud in the 2008 plan. The motion carried 7-0. VII. EDUCATIONAL ITEMS A. Neighborhood Meeting on Flyins! Cloud Airport Plans King said he is proposing that this Commission hold an Airport informational meeting on June 12 at Hennepin Technical College. This meeting would be a question and answer session to address community concerns. He stated that the intent is to get the residents that live closest to the airport to attend this meeting. King asked for the Commission's feelings on holding such a meeting. Schendel said it is fine to hold an informational meeting but the airport is not going to go away. They need to come forward with new information. Schendel said there are different viewpoints out in the community and he is not going to convince anyone of his viewpoints nor are they going to convince him of theirs. They have to work together and it would be okay to have an informational meeting with questions and answers. Michelson said he thinks having this meeting is a good idea. That's why the Airport's Commission was brought back,because of the questions out there and to address those questions and to inform the residents. Larsen said he believes there are citizens out there who have not picked up the information this Commission has and they have not paid any attention to the newspaper or gone to the Commission's website. He said these are probably the people they need to reach. McKewan suggested that they put a FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 10 timeframe on the meeting stating that a certain time will be for the informational part of the meeting and a certain time will be assigned for questions and answers. Schendel pointed out that Gentry is a good example of someone who is interested in the Airport. Because of that interest, she is now on this Commission. Gentry said she has learned a lot and has found that the attitude of MAC is much more positive than she thought. She stated that she has been talking to some other residents about this informational meeting and telling them it would be an excellent time to learn about what is going on at the airport. Schendel stated that MAC has presented meetings to airport operators and many times there is not a mutual understanding of what they are trying to do to maintain this public user airport. Harris said it has been a while since they have had a meeting like this. He said he feels this type of meeting can break down barriers and they can't go in thinking they will change people's minds. They need to let the people know what they are doing from a noise perspective. McKewan said this could also be an opportunity to show people how to get to the website and how to get noise information. Gentry said she had no idea that MAC is restricted by the FAA and she feels that is important information to get out to the public. King said that hopefully with a target mailing there will be a group totally pro and con and that will not change but 80 percent of the residents may be in the middle and those might be the ones that don't have the information about the airport. Hopefully the middle group will attend this meeting and they can educate those people. The direct mail will get the people who are thinking about the airport and will want to know what is going on at the airport. Larsen pointed out that there hasn't been any real activity at the airport changing the physical structure and now they are getting to the point where things are starting to happen. This meeting will inform the residents as to what is going to be happening at the airport. Michelson questioned if high school graduation isn't scheduled for the June 12 date. King said they have checked various schedules to make sure that date would work. They didn't want to do it in the summer but wanted to do it before the election season. Harris said it would also be good to hold the meeting before construction begins at the airport. King said their alternative date would be June 19. He indicated that if high school graduation was June 12 they would go with the alternate date. They will check to make sure that is not the case. McKewan said he disagrees that there are 80 percent of the residents in the middle. He believes they have made their decisions regarding the airport. He said informational meetings are to inform people and those people have the perception that they can change what is happening. In this case, that is not true. McKewan said he is not sure that they are going to accomplish what they want to accomplish and this is based on his past experience. He said he supports the idea of having this meeting but feels they may entrench people deeper. Michelson said that with the construction that will be taking place at the airport they need to get the community together to answer their questions. Harris pointed out that this is not a public hearing but an informational meeting. Larsen said when they advertise this meeting in the papers they need to stress that very thing. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 11 King said it is totally up to this Commission as to whether or not they hold this meeting. They do have the support of the City Council to proceed or not. Larsen said he believes there would be a great benefit in holding this meeting, however, there are a lot of people in the community who are not familiar with the conditions around the Final Agreement between MAC and the City. He said that they as a Commission haven't really had any interaction with the community in an informational way. He feels this meeting does make sense and the timing also makes sense. Larsen said he would be in favor of moving forward. McKewan said he is in favor of holding this meeting and suggested they title the meeting the "Flying Cloud Informational Meeting on Airport Timeline" to make the meeting seem more like a presentation of what is going to happen. Michelson suggested that they have residents sign up in advance and submit their questions. King responded that he does not want to discourage people from asking questions or to participate in the meeting. They could allow those people that sign up to speak first. Gentry said she believes they need to work the word "educational"into the title of the meeting. King asked that the Commission members provide any changes or updates to the proposed meeting announcement to him as soon as possible. Harris stated that the last sentence on the second paragraph of the meeting announcement summarizes the meeting. He asked if they needed to add "this is not a public hearing". Harris said they don't want to lead the public into coming to a meeting thinking they can change things. McKewan said this is not a meeting about changing the future plans of the airport. People may not show up if that is really the case. He feels they are making a mistake if they don't address that. Larsen suggested they take the last sentence of the second paragraph and put it as the first sentence of that paragraph. He also suggested that they try to set the tone for this meeting in the media and state that this is an informational and educational meeting. King again asked that the Commission provide him with their edits by Monday and he will send the meeting announcement back to the Commission with the recommended changes. MOTION: Motion was made by King, seconded by Michelson, that a special meeting of the Commission be set for June 12 subject to availability of that date and that the agenda be the same as shown on the document distributed at the May 8, 2008 Commission meeting. The motion carried 7-0. King reported that MAC will be working on their long-term CIP for Flying Cloud. King suggested that the Commission go on record stating that they would like to be involved in that process with MAC. MOTION: Motion was made by King, seconded by Michelson, that the Commission work collaboratively with MAC as they complete the long-term Comprehensive Plan for Flying Cloud Airport. The motion carried 7-0. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 12 King pointed out that there had been an article in the newspaper stating that the Pioneer Trail project will be delayed for one year. Michelson asked how that would affect the sewer and water project at the airport. Harris said it is his understanding that the two projects are independent of each other. They will stub the sewer and water hookups out to the road. VIII. FINAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY AND MAC A. Noise Complaints/Stage 2 Operations Report (March-April) Skramstad presented an overview of noise complaints for Flying Cloud Airport for March and April, 2008. He reported that there were a total of 350 complaints for March and April with 238 complaints filed for nighttime operations. They sent out 75 letters to carriers notifying them that they have violated the voluntary restraints policy. Skramstad reported that there was an increase in the number of complaints but about the same number of letters were sent out. There were a number of different households reporting the same operation. Gentry said during the nighttime hours she keeps track of the number of times she is awakened by the airplane noise. Last evening she counted seven flights between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. She believes the violations are increasing. Skramstad said he did report at the last meeting for January and February that there were fewer nighttime operations than in 2005 and 2006. He said he understands Gentry's frustrations when complaints are filed but MAC does follow up on those complaints informing the pilots of the existing agreement. Skramstad explained that if the flights that depart between 6 a.m. and 7 a.m. follow the noise abatement procedures they would be turning south over the river. Leqve stated that that was one of the reasons why MAC objected to the development Gentry lives in because that is the path of the noise abatement plan. IX. NOISE ABATEMENT/AIRCRAFT INCIDENTS A. Life Link III Helicopter Fli!ht Tracks (March-April) Skramstad reported that helicopter Life Link operations for March and April were almost identical to the number of helicopter complaints received in January and February. There were 238 flights with the biggest concern being nighttime helicopter flights. There were 39 helicopter complaints from 13 complainants. Skramstad stated that there is a good majority of the operations happening over the river which is the second preferred flight track. He explained with the multilateration system they will be able to track a flight right down to the runway which would give them additional analysis data. Kipp suggested that they place a ledger on the Helicopter Noise Complaints map defining the red and green lines. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES May 8, 2008 Page 13 X. NEW BUSINESS XI. OTHER BUSINESS King reviewed the Commission's 2008 Meeting Plan stating that they plan to have their Commission Representative Molly Sigel attend the September meeting. King said he is open to any input from the Commission members as to what this Commission should discuss. The proposed work plan does give the Commission some idea of what is going on and what they will be discussing. He also said if everyone is interested in the July-August business meetings on the airfield they should also arrange a drive around the airport perimeter. McKewan suggested that they take a look at the web trends in September rather than July since most of the changes did not into effect until September of last year. Harris said they could move up the Airport Directory Listing. They will be prepared to address that at the July meeting if the September meeting is too heavy. Michelson said he would like to get an update on MAC's CIP. Leqve pointed out that the joint airport zoning work will be starting now and will include all of the reliever airports. He said he was not sure when they would get to Flying Cloud. This work is relative to the safety zones at the end of the airport. He stated that this is something they will want to discuss with the Commission and update them on at a future meeting. Various FYI Items: • Approved minutes of January 10, 2008 Flying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission • Various aviation related news articles • Thank you letters to guest speakers Rod Rue and Glen Orcutt • Thank you letter to Brad Stratton from Mayor Phil Young • FCAAC Roster updated April 1, 2008 • Legislative Bill Tracking List 2007-2008 • Next Commission meeting is scheduled for July 10, 2008 XI. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Motion was made by King, seconded by McKewan, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried, 7-0. The meeting adjourned at 10:20 p.m.