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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFlying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission - 03/10/2011 APPROVED MINUTES FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION THURSDAY, MARCH 10, 2011 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER Heritage Room I 8080 Mitchell Road COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chair Rick King; Vice-Chair Jeff Larsen; Commissioners: Judy Gentry, Greg McKewan, Mark Michelson, Jeff Nawrocki and Kurt Schendel(arrived at 8:20 PM) COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE: Neeraj Ajgaonkar(absent) VISITORS: Dana Swanson, MAC; Mitch Anderson, AOPA STAFF: Scott Kipp, Senior Planner; Jan Curielli, City Recorder I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL Chair King called the meeting to order at 7:02 PM. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Kipp added Item XI.A.8. Annual Commission Banquet. MOTION: Larsen moved, seconded by Gentry, to approve the agenda as amended. Motion carried 6-0. III. PUBLIC COMMENT IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES A. COMMISSION MEETING HELD THURSDAY,JANUARY 13, 2011 MOTION: Michelson moved, seconded by McKewan, to approve the January 13, 2011 minutes as published. Motion carried 6-0. V. GUEST SPEAKERS VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS A. RECAP OF WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL--All FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES March 10, 2011 Page 2 King said everyone seemed to be happy with the workshop. Gentry said Mr. Kipp did a great job of putting the plan together. Nawrocki said it went very well, and there were good questions even though there are some new faces in the group. King said there were a couple of comments that there is a lot of stuff we do as a Commission. Larsen said it seemed like the newer Council Members were a little more in listening mode. King said Council Member Case questioned whether the change in the noise letter information process had been brought to the City Council. He said his recollection was that it had,but he and Mr. Rosow went back to the minutes and determined it had not. However, there was a document that said it did not have to go to the Council. He said Council Member Case was concerned that we were giving away something we had from the Final Agreement. We are not because we didn't change anything, and we need to keep that in mind for the future. Kipp said it was a good presentation that showed we accomplished quite a bit last year. B. STATUS OF ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS,AESTHETICS—Jeff Nawrocki Nawrocki said last fall some landscaping was done at the intersection of Charlton and Liatris. They will continue with that this spring and will also move to the west. He said they will most likely do the plantings in the fall because they get a cheaper rate then. The following year they will continue along Pioneer Trail, and will do some plantings in other years as time goes by. Gentry asked if the plantings are outside the fence. Nawrocki said they are. He said they designed it with space so we could put some monuments in for a more decorative look. Larsen asked if anyone has contacted him about the landscaping. Nawrocki said no one has. Gentry asked what kind of plantings they are talking about. Nawrocki said it will be flowers and native grasses similar to the plantings at International Airport. They want to have blooms in three seasons and plan to include some annual plantings. C. CITY'S AIRPORT WEBSITE ACTIVITY FOR 2010—Grey McKewan Kipp distributed copies of the Flying Cloud Airport Website Activity Report for 2010. McKewan said the first two pages show the information for the main airport page. The following pages show the information for the five subcategories: airport information and documents; Flying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission; MAC expansion plans; Metropolitan Airports Commission (MAC); and noise management and reporting. He reviewed the statistics for the number of times each of the six pages was viewed for the years 2008, 2009 and 2010. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES March 10, 2011 Page 3 King asked if we plan to update the MAC expansion plans category. He thought we might move it into archives or put in a new topic. He said aesthetics could be an addition as the hangers are being replaced or updated and the landscaping is going in. He thought this report is a really good thing. McKewan said he was happy to help with it and would have no problem coming back to help in the future. Kipp asked the Commission Members to let staff know if they see things that need to be changed. King suggested we find a way on the website to show the three-year trend for the answers to the airport questions in the resident survey. He thought we might also add something about the multilateration system or other things we want to draw attention to. McKewan thought we can start telling people about the good things we are doing and what MAC has done. King thought we could talk about what the airport looks like and how secure it is. There might also be some mention of the three accidents with a link to the NTSB site because people have asked about those accidents. Michelson asked if we could make it interactive so we could collect comments. A discussion followed about using the City's Facebook page or blogs as a means for people to ask questions and be informed about the airport. Larsen said he really likes this format for the activity report. King said they switched the tool they use. Kipp noted this report was put together more by our IT people. D. LONG-TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE—JEFF NAWROCKI Nawrocki said we will continue to use the plan as a guide for airport development although there is nothing on the radar screen at this point. Kipp asked if there are any short term estimates of when they are going to expand the cross runway. Nawrocki said it shows on paper as 2012,but we will have a better understanding of it at the end of the year. King said we will know by November if it is in the proposal, and by December if it was passed by MAC. There will be time to communicate from January through April or May of 2012 before it starts to happen. VII. EDUCATIONAL ITEMS VIII. FINAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY AND MAC A. NOISE COMPLAINTS/STAGE 2 OPERATIONS REPORT (DECEMBER- FEBRUARY)—Dana Swanson Swanson said this report includes December because we did not have data for the full month when we met last. There were 23 complainants with 502 complaints for the three month period. She said operations were down considerably from October and November. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES March 10, 2011 Page 4 King said this is the first time he remembered being able to match up the tracks with the complaints this well. Swanson said they can zoom into the map better now, and there were no outliers. Gentry asked if the multilateration helps with that. Swanson said there is a lot more data so we can narrow down who is flying and what they are flying. King asked if complainant Nos. 1 and 14 are the Nos. 1 and 2 from the last report. Swanson said the current No. 1 was No. 2 last time. King suggested we call Complainant No. 1 to ask the individual to come to a meeting to talk about the issues. He thought it might be a way to reach out to someone who complains a lot. Michelson asked if we could do that. Swanson said she has talked to both of the residents and told them about the Commission meetings; however, she hasn't specifically invited them. She said she could call and remind them about the meetings. King thought we could say the Commission talked about their location and wants them to come and tell us about their complaints. Michelson said we would want to be fully prepared if we do that. We could bring up the website at the meeting so we can look at flight lines over their homes. McKewan thought it might be good to let them see the charts. Larsen said we would have to be sensitive and not give the impression we were grilling them. Swanson reviewed the violation summary letters sent for the three months. She said the new system saves time and it gives specific dates and times of operation so it is a lot clearer. We heard back from a few of the new operators. Michelson said it shows us that Operators A, B and C are the top ones for receiving letters each month,but there is no repetition among the other operators. Kipp said this provides that type of information, and it is easier to quantify the statistics. IX. NOISE ABATEMENT/AIRCRAFT INCIDENTS X. NEW BUSINESS XI. OTHER BUSINESS A. VARIOUS FYI ITEMS 1. Approved Minutes--November 4, 2010 2. Decision Resources City-Wide Survey Concerning Questions on Airport Noise Larsen asked if the surveys are done on the phone. Kipp said he understood that is how it is done. Larsen said he did not believe he has ever been called. King said the sample is about 600 residents from all the precincts, so that would mean they talk to about 12 people per precinct. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES March 10, 2011 Page 5 3. Workshop PowerPoint Presentation 4. Rick Kins!'s Council Meeting Comments—March 3, 2011 5. Star Tribune Article on MAC Suburban Airports 6. March 2011 AOPA Pilot Magazine Article King said the important part is that the court decision uses the same words that the MAC does about public use and guidelines. This is something we can point to that is not coming from a MAC spokesperson. Gentry noted it backs up what the MAC says. Larsen said he was going to talk to Chad Leqve because it would be beneficial to the new Commission members to see this as a prime example of what we can and can't do. King said we can put the Santa Monica one in,but every month there is an airport somewhere in the country where the same thing is going on. It is always the same answer. 7. Next Commission Meeting—May 12, 2011 8. Annual Commission Banquet Kipp said the banquet is scheduled for May 11. He said Jay Lotthammer suggested that the Flying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission be the highlighted commission at this year's event. We will have to work on some kind of presentation that will review what we have done. It is a good opportunity to present in front of all the other commissions. Michelson asked if that means we will highlight it ourselves. Kipp said the new chair will probably make some kind of presentation. Michelson asked if we know the identities of our new members. Kipp said there are three: Keith Tschohl; Caryl Hansen; and John Pratten. Larsen asked if information has been sent out to the new appointees about the orientation session. Kipp said it went out March 2. Larsen said in the past he was invited to the orientation and received all the information,but he has not yet received anything. He asked if it is mandatory to go to that again this year. Kipp said Mr. Rosow goes over the issues, and it is mandatory because of the open meeting law. Gentry asked where the new commissioners live. Kipp said Ms Hansen is northwest of the airport,but he was not sure about the other two. FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MINUTES March 10, 2011 Page 6 Schendel arrived at 8:10 PM. XII. ADJOURNMENT Larsen expressed how much the Commission appreciates the efforts of Rick King, Greg McKewan and Judy Gentry and the unique character each of them brought to the Commission. King said it was hard to get everything we have done on one slide when he was preparing the report to the Council. He thought there were things done that were positive for the people who work here, and our residents got a lot more information about the airport during the last five years. He commended the group for all the hard work that included a fair amount of homework assignments. Chair King adjourned the meeting at 8:12 PM.