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CONSERVATION COMMISSION
MONDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2010 7:00 PM, CITY CENTER
Prairie Room
8080 Mitchell Road
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Laura Jester(Chair), Greg Olson (Vice Chair), Sue
Brown, Ray Daniels, Ravi Jaiswal, Geneva
MacMillan, Prashant Shrikhande
STAFF: Regina Herron, Staff Liaison
Leslie Stovring, Environmental Coordinator
Jan Curielli, Recording Secretary
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Joshua Auerbach and Rachel Wood
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Chair Jester called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM. Jaiswal was absent.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Jester said the new student representatives will introduce themselves under Item VII.
because we ran out of time for that at the last meeting.
MOTION: Daniels moved, seconded by MacMillan, to approve the agenda. Motion
carried 6-0.
III. MINUTES
A. Approval of Minutes for the September 14, 2010 Meeting
MOTION: Olson moved, seconded by Shrikhande, to approve the minutes of the
September 14, 2010 meeting as published. Motion carried 4-0-2, with Brown and
MacMillan abstaining.
IV. REPORTS FROM STAFF
B. Driveway Material Ordinance—Update
Herron said the ordinance was on the Consent Calendar at the last City Council
meeting. Council Member Nelson wanted some clarification in the ordinance
regarding crushed rock and pavers. She also had some concern about the placement
of commas. The item was referred back to staff for clarification.
Brown asked if plastic recycled pavers were taken into account in the ordinance.
Herron said we discussed that we should look into that more but it was not added to
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the ordinance. Jester said we wanted to get the concept of permeability into the
ordinance so we added the clause "allow for infiltration." Stovring noted we did not
take out crushed rock totally because it would be allowed between surface joints.
Herron said there was a concern with the enforcement. Olson thought the intent was
to not permit driveways that are just crushed rock.
Stovring noted we also didn't put in anything about reinforced turf,but Minnetonka
is using that on a lot of their trails. Jester asked if Nine Mile Creek Watershed
District will be able to do that on the Kaerwar property. Stovring said she didn't see
why overflow parking can't be reinforced turf.
Jester asked what staff's opinion would be about bringing the ordinance back for
further review. Herron said she didn't know if it is off the Council's agenda.
Stovring said in the future the Watershed District will require more infiltration on
development plans, so more options for infiltration and on-site stormwater reuse will
be required when those plans come through.
Daniels noted he has not seen any crushed rock driveways. Herron said there are
some out there. They were built in the 1960's and 1970's and are usually considered
nonconforming.
Jester said we want to keep the review of pavers and driveway sealers on our radar
screen for 2011 planning and revisit the wording of the code.
C. Nine Mile Creek Water Resource Center—Project Status
Herron said this project went to the Council a couple of weeks ago and was
approved. It will be on the Consent Calendar in November 16. Jester asked if it was a
unanimous vote. Daniels said it was 4-0-1, with Aho abstaining.
D. Goose Update
Stovring reviewed her memo summarizing the goose management program and
noted the numbers were down quite a bit this year. Jester asked if that was the case
across the metropolitan area. Stovring said a couple of others had lower numbers,but
others had the same or more. She said we expected to see a slow, steady decline but
it was pretty dramatic this year. It is unknown why the numbers are down.
E. SWPPP and MS4 Permit
Stovring gave a Power Point presentation of the Phase II NPDES Permit process.
Daniels asked why there was a significant increase in the number of water bodies
from 1999 to 2008. Stovring said as we went out and looked, we found more water
bodies. In addition, in the 1999 wetland inventory a lot of large floodplain wetlands
were lumped together that now needed to be separated out. Jester asked if newly
created ones were included. Stovring said it includes anything we identify as a body
of water, including wetlands, ponds, ditches, infiltration BMPs such as raingardens,
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and creek segments. Brown asked what is classified as a wetland. Stovring said there
are eight different types of wetlands from forested wetlands to ponds.
Stovring reviewed the storm water permit program noting the current permit program
expires on June 30, 2011. She said the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA)
has recently assigned someone to write the new one. In addition, the City submitted a
Nondegradation Plan to the MPCA in late 2007 and so far we have received only an
acknowledgment of the submittal. In the future this will likely need additional work
or it may be incorporated into the new permit.
Stovring reviewed the six minimum control measures that are included in the permit
and noted one of them, the pollution prevention/good housekeeping for municipal
operations, is a big item. Jester asked the meaning of the word, "outfall." Stovring
said it means an inlet or any pipe or overflow into a water body. Shrikhande asked
who does the checks on water bodies. Stovring said they are done in the summers by
City staff, usually an intern or technician.
Stovring reviewed the schedule of compliance requirements including the
maintenance plan. She said the MPCA has not formally approved the plan at this
time but we have reviewed our plan with the MPCA and are currently implementing
it. We can't do the entire maintenance plan at once because of all the water bodies
we have identified (approximately 950 water bodies are currently in the database).
We have started with the Staring Lake watershed and will look at external loading to
the lake, which is anything that drains through the storm water system into the lake.
Brown noted the kids at Oak Point are studying Staring Lake, and it would be good
for them to learn more about this work.
Stovring presented the details of the Request for Proposal (RFP) for the Staring Lake
stormwater survey which includes a pond analysis and stormwater pond design
(NURP) criteria analysis. Jester asked if they will notify any homeowners of the
pond analysis taking place. Stovring said most of the ponds are either owned by the
City or under a drainage easement. They did put an article in the local newspaper to
notify residents about the project.
A maximum of 50 ponds will be selected for the NURP analysis. Jester asked if the
plans include going into a neighborhood and putting in curb cuts and rain gardens.
Stovring said right now we are just evaluating the overall drainage system and no
recommendations are being prepared. This could be an alternative in the future.
Jester asked how they plan to encourage rain gardens. Stovring said she will have
$5,500 available for rebates starting in 2011, which is a increase over this year which
is $2,500. City staff is cautious of the idea of curb cuts because of issues with
snowplows catching on them. Other cities are putting in grates in the curbs, but this
is not something that the City is really actively doing. She said we will start looking
at this more seriously when we begin to reconstruct streets.
Stovring discussed the schedule and costs to implement the capital and non-capital
projects. Brown asked if there will be citizen participation in the Lower Riley Creek
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creek bank stabilization project. Stovring said we will set up a task force to do the
TMDL to determine what should be done long term to maintain it and what we
should do to help it be delisted or unimpaired. Brown asked which citizens are
involved in these groups. Stovring said it is usually residents within that particular
watershed district, and could potentially include a member from the Conservation
Commission. Brown asked what they are asked to do. Stovring said the analysis is
pretty technical but they would help set up goals and actions in the implementation
plan.
Stovring reviewed the erosion gully and ground water seepage control project that
occurred just west of the intersection of Purgatory Creek and Riverview Road.
Shrikhande asked what the primary reason was for the evolution of the erosion from
being wooded. Stovring said it happened over time as there are a lot of ground water
seeps in that area.
Stovring said the drawdown of the lake level in Northwest and Southwest Anderson
Lakes was successful in helping to decrease the curly leaf pondweed in the lake, and
the lake levels have started to come back up after the drought in 2009.
Stovring said the water level in Birch Island Lake went down significantly when
Hwy 62 went in. In 2009 the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District(NMCWD)
completed the installation of a drainage and tile system to capture and reroute ground
water and storm water from the Hwy 62 corridor to the lake, since then the lake
levels have started to rise. She said Bryant Lake water quality has improved, and the
total phosphorus and chlorophyll a levels have been reduced. Shrikhande asked if we
monitor the loading in Bryant Lake every year. Stovring said that NMCWD and the
Three River Park District monitor the lake,but she was not sure if they are
monitoring the loading.
Stovring said about 95% of the carp in Lake Riley have been harvested by
RPBCWD, and they plan to start a re-vegetation program in 2011. Brown asked
about the reduction in the numbers of carp. Stovring said Rice Marsh Lake is the
breeding ground for carp, and the District restricted their movements with barriers at
the north and south ends of Lake Riley.
Stovring said Round Lake used to be 32 acres in size,but this year it is only 21 acres.
It is primarily ground water fed and does not have a lot of storm water running into
it. Shrikhande asked if there are any ground water wells near the area. Stovring said
there are not. Stovring noted they are working with RPBCWD to improve the water
quality in the lake and they are planning on finding a way to reduce mercury in the
lake so that it will be unimpaired for mercury in the future. Shrikhande asked about
the source of the mercury. Stovring said it mostly comes from the atmosphere.
Jester asked if they plan to put the Nine Mile Creek standards in place City-wide.
Stovring said those standards are quite strict in some ways, and she was not sure the
Engineering Department would want to implement all provisions of these
requirements. We are waiting until the Water Management Plans are revised for the
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other two watershed districts (RPBCWD and Lower Minnesota River Watershed
District)before starting a revision of the city code.
Jester said we talked about having some sort of water education project and asked if
we have access to some of those funds. Stovring said there is $2500 targeted for the
Environmental Fair and water education. She said we have $40,000 for water
conservation and quality education, of which about$25,000 has been spent so far
this year. This includes the appliance and irrigation rebate programs. Jester asked if
funds would be available if a scout troop wanted to do a project. Stovring said we
could potentially have money for that depending on the project. She said the
raingarden and shoreland restoration grant program will likely be increased from
$500 to $1,000 per project in 2011. She said Mr. Dietz also agreed to a small
increase in the water conservation rebate (from$12,500 to $15,000).
Shrikhande noted the condition of our lakes is related a lot to ground water and asked
what we are doing to monitor those levels. Stovring said most of the wells are
monitored as part of the Wellhead Protection Plan. Shrikhande asked what the levels
have been over the years. Stovring said they have been pretty stable. She noted our
water utility is running in the red because of less revenue from development fees and
less water being used. In addition, lawn irrigation is not paying its true cost as in the
past we have supplemented the water utility with SAC/WAC fees that are collected
as properties are developed. We need to adjust our rate structure because we are
coming up short. Shrikhande asked how that affects the water operations. Stovring
said we will be establishing a reserve as part of the new fee structure to allow for ups
and downs of water usage.
V. REPORTS FROM CHAIR
VI. REPORTS FROM COMMISSION
Jester thanked Mr. Shrikhande for working in our booth at the City-wide open house last
Saturday. Shrikhande said he worked with Ms Stovring at our booth and at a demonstration
of how water meters work. There was a lot of information on thermostats, fluorescent
lighting, pharmaceutical and electronic waste, and recycling. They gave away recyclable
bags at the event and handed out 350 of them in the first hour. Herron noted we used our
display board for the first time and displayed pictures of 20-40-15 projects. Jester noted Mr.
Shrikhande was also featured in the recent Life in the Prairie newsletter as part of their
feature highlighting City commissions.
VII. REPORTS FROM STUDENTS
Auerbach and Wood introduced themselves and told how they came to serve on the
Conservation Commission. Jester said we appreciate their involvement and asked them to
bring back anything the High School is doing that the Commission could help with. Wood
noted the environmental club has a new president, and she thought the club will be more
efficient now.
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VIII. CONTINUING BUSINESS
A. Upcoming City Projects and Development—Project Profile
Herron said there are no new projects on the project profile. She said we received a
request that the approvals for The Pointe on Lake Riley project be rescinded.
Stovring said that the original development had five lots,but three of them were
subsequently combined into one lot. They are now back to the original approval for
three lots.
B. Ideas for Life in the Prairie Newsletter
Herron said she talked to the Communications staff about the idea to highlight a
business that is doing environmentally conscious work that has not yet appeared in
the newsletter. She said they are looking at focusing on either residents or non-
profits at this point. Jester noted the Margaret A. Cargill Foundation would be a good
one to highlight because they received permission to extend native plantings from
the adjoining wetland and wooded areas to the edge of their right-of-way.
Shrikhande noted the Freshwater Society picked a business in Chanhassen to
highlight what they have done and that was very well done.
Stovring said the Commission had an environmental quality award a couple of years
ago,but had trouble getting people to apply. She said no one applied one year so
they gave up on the award,but the process and application forms are available to
revive it. Shrikhande thought we might try giving it some publicity.
Shirkhande offered to design a campaign for conserving water that we could develop
at a few Commission meetings. Jester thought we could challenge residents to reduce
their water use, and it could be in the newsletter because that seems to be read by a
lot of people. Stovring noted she has one more utility bill insert next year but then
they may be taking it away. Jester asked why that was happening. Stovring said they
want to centralize and streamline communications, but she is disappointed as she
does get a lot of calls when she sends one out. She said it usually contains
information they aren't willing or able to put in Life in the Prairie.
Jester suggested we keep a folder of ideas for the Environmental Corner in Life in the
Prairie and hand the Communications Department one a month.
Wood suggested having an essay contest on how local people are helping the
environment. Jester asked her to work up more details and bring it back to us. Wood
agreed to do that.
C. Website Content
Stovring said she added some links on infiltration and care of permeable surfaces and
she is trying to go through the pages to update it. Jester said last month we suggested
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putting up the Power Point presentation Stu Fox gave on permeable surfaces and
rainwater gardens. She noted we do have some subscribers to the website now.
IX. NEW BUSINESS
A. 2011 Work Plan
Herron distributed copies of the 2009 Annual Report and 2010 Work Plan. She said
she has heard some new items from the City Council and other staff members, and
noted the 2010 workshop with the Council will be postponed to 2011.
Herron said at last month's Council meeting, Council Member Nelson was
concerned that a lot of ponds in residents' back yards seem to be covered with pond
scum, and she wanted the City and the Conservation Commission to do research to
see about a special services district. Herron suggested researching other cities
practices. Stovring noted pond treatment is difficult because it is expensive and it
never ends. Resident expectations are also often much higher that what can be
achieved. Bloomington also found that treatment would sometimes stop working
after a few years and is currently in the process of discontinuing their program. Jester
said she understood that the pond should be pleasing but its purpose is to protect the
downstream resources. Jester thought it would be more general education on how
residents treat their lots and how runoff affects the ponds. Herron said it is something
the Council would like the Commission to investigate, and she suggesting adding
this to the 2011 work plan to research and develop a recommendation. She said
according to comments at the Council meeting Public Works Director Dietz believes
a lot of this will be education about cleaning up your yard, including things like
proper disposal of pet waste, and creating a buffer zone in the yard. Stovring noted
one of the best attended workshops she has provided was on lake and pond care.
Herron said there is a pilot program called GreenStep Cities that a certain number of
cities within the metropolitan area participated in. They look at BMPs, city codes and
comprehensive guide plans to see how cities are targeting green resources. Herron
said she could send a link to Commission members so they can familiarize
themselves with the program.
Herron also noted there are also items we did not get to in the 2010 Work Plan that
we can add to 2011.
Jester said last year Ms Herron took the first stab at developing the report and plan
and then the two of them worked together on it. Shrikhande and Brown said they
would work with the 2011 Work Plan. Jester thought we could get a draft and send it
out in the next packet for discussion in November.
X. INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS/HANDOUTS
XI. UPCOMING EVENTS
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Stovring distributed a flyer about a recycling event this coming Saturday and noted a lot of
items are free this year. She said the Expo is in March, and the Commission had discussed
giving out reusable water bottles. Brown stated that based on her numerous years of
marketing experience, people attending trade shows and expos generally adopt a"trick or
treat" mentality; that they will browse all of the booths looking for free items and that just
because they take the free items doesn't mean they will be used. Often these types of
"freebies" are immediately tossed into the trash. Brown expressed her belief that we should
not put more plastic into the world simply based on the hope that people who take them will
indeed use them. She stated that if the commission wishes to distribute reusable water
bottles at events like this, we should acquire good quality ones and sell them at a nominal
cost. This way only people who are truly interested in using a reusable water bottle will
realize the value and take advantage of the offer thereby eliminating those that just want
something for nothing. The proceeds could be given to a local charity. Shrikhande
suggested having a question wheel where people would have to answer a trivia question
about conservation issues in order to get an item.
XIV. NEXT MEETING
A. Tuesday, November 9, 2010
XV. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Olson moved, seconded by Shrikhande, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried
6-0. Chair Jester adjourned the meeting at 9:10 PM.