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PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 2009 7:00 P.M., CITY CENTER
Council Chambers
8080 Mitchell Road
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Geri Napuck, Chair; Commissioners, Tom
Bierman, Hutch Coburn, Derek Gunderson and
Joan Oko
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Jeffrey Gerst, Vice-Chair, Lee Elliott-Stoering
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Spencer Lasley and Pranay Rao
COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Jay Lotthammer, Parks and Recreation Director
Laurie Obiazor, Recreation Services Manager
Stu Fox, Parks and Natural Resources Manager
Wendy Sevenich, Community Center Manager
RECORDING SECRETARY: Carol Pelzel
I. ROLL CALL/INTRODUCTIONS
The meeting was called to order by Chair Napuck at 7:05 p.m.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Motion: Bierman moved, seconded by Coburn, to approve the agenda as published. The
motion carried, 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES —SEPTEMBER 14 , 2009
Motion: Coburn moved, Gunderson seconded, to approve the September 14, 2009 Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources Commission meeting minutes as presented. The
motion carried, 5-0.
IV. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL ACTION—SEPTEMBER 15, OCTOBER 6 & 20,
2009
A. TWO DONATIONS TO ART CENTER - LOTTHAMMER
The City Council acknowledged two Art Center donations from the Friends of the
Eden Prairie Art Center. The first was for$8,200.56 to be used for supplies and
equipment at the Eden Prairie Art Center. The second was in the amount of
$30,020.21 for supplies, equipment and renovations at the Eden Prairie Art
Center. Lotthammer reported this group continues to work on gaining more funds
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for the Art Center. There have also been a couple grant submissions for this
facility and they hope to hear about them in the near future.
V. REPORT OF PLANNING COMMISSION
Fox reviewed the following Planning Commission action:
A. TWO DIFFERENT LOT VARIANCES REGARDING DECK SETBACK
DISTANCE
B. LOT VARIANCE REGARDING BUILDING SETBACK DISTANCE
C. THREE-LOT SUBDIVISION RESULTING IN CASH PARK FEES
The Planning Commission approved a three-lot subdivision resulting in cash park
fees for those three lots.
D. VARIANCE FOR DOCK LENGTH ON BRYANT LAKE
The Planning Commission granted a variance for a dock length on Bryant Lake.
The dock exceeded the length allowed by City Code, therefore, requiring a
variance.
E. WALMART STORE REGARDING PARKING UPGRADE
Walmart will be upgrading their parking lot as well as their store. This will involve
a major renovation to begin sometime after the first of the year.
VI. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATION
A. VETERANS MEMORIAL FLAG REQUEST
Lotthammer reviewed with the Commission how the Veterans Memorial
Committee was formed and what it has accomplished over the past couple of years.
He said they are now requesting additional flags be added to the site. Lotthammer
explained the City Code allows for three flags per property. The site currently has
three flags on it; the United States flag, Minnesota flag and the POW flag. Because
they are requesting something outside of City Code, a variance must be requested
and since the Memorial is located on City land, the City must request the variance.
A variance request is reviewed by the City's Planning Commission. Lotthammer
further explained when they first talked about this concept; it came on the heels of
the City trying to adhere to its own ordinance by setting examples. There have been
events throughout the City where they see additional flags and the City may have
had additional signs for its own events in the past. Over the last couple of years the
City has been working hard to remain within the Code. Also, Lotthammer said
there was a private business across the street from the Memorial who had more
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flags than allowed by City Code. They were asked to remove those flags and to
comply with the Code. The Memorial Committee is asking this Commission to
recommend moving forward with their request and to authorize staff to apply for a
variance for the additional flags.
John Mallo, Chair of the Eden Prairie Veterans Memorial Committee, explained
the Memorial was completed one year ago. They raised over$400,000 in cash and
another$200,000 in kind to complete this Memorial. Mallo explained who this
group is composed of and how it works. At last year's dedication they put six flags
up behind the six pillars. There was one flag for each branch of service and the
Committee voted to fly the six service flags on nine holidays. The Committee was
told by City staff they could store those flags and flag poles in the building at the
facility. However, when the time came to store them they were told they could not
use the building. Mallo said it is difficult to bring the flags and flag poles to the
facility on the holidays they fly the additional six flags. Mallo explained since
Memorial Day they have raised enough money to install six 20-foot commercial
grade flag poles. The poles will be the same as those currently at the site but a little
shorter. The American flag is 30 feet in height while the Minnesota and the POW
flags are at 25 feet. The proposed additional flags would be at 20 feet. Mallo said
he had talked to the City's planner and he indicated the park is made up of nine
different parcels and technically they could have 27 flags for the nine parcels.
Mallo said they would like to fly all nine flags from May 1 to November 11.
Napuck asked for a clarification on why they could not store the flags on site. Fox
explained the building has wall-to-wall storage of materials used in that park.
There was also a concern the flags would become damaged and they try not to store
private goods within City buildings. Mallo said he believes the issue was when
they could not get a key to the building they decided not to store the flags in that
building.
Oko asked if the ropes on the flag poles would bang against the pole. Mallo
responded all of the flag poles have interior ropes. Bierman questioned if they were
representing the National Guard and if they shouldn't be asking for seven poles
instead of six. Mallo responded the National Guard is an operating service under
the Army and is not a service onto itself.
Coburn questioned how the City has enforces this Code requirement regarding the
number of flags on a property. Lotthammer explained over the past few years there
has been a concerted effort to enforce this section of the Code. There is a person in
the Police Department who works with Code enforcement and does what he can.
They have also done some education as to what is allowed and explained it is done
for aesthetics and safety. There has also been an internal effort by City staff to set
an example. Coburn asked what avenue the business across the street from the
Memorial would have to allow them to have the additional flags. Lotthammer
responded they could also apply for a variance from the Code.
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Napuck said what the Committee has done is breathtaking. She said because this is
the type of endeavor that seeks to honor those who have served our country she
wants to be able to support the request but has concerns this will set a precedent.
Commercial businesses are subject to the same ordinance and one was told they
had to take down their flags. They have to be very careful about making a
recommendation for a variance knowing what it may lead to in the future.
Bierman said he is also concerned about setting a precedent but this request is for
the greater good of the community and not for helping any individual or
commercial establishment. He said he would also like to add into the background
material for this item the fact that the Memorial Committee raised over$500,000
for this Memorial. Lotthammer pointed out$45,000 is still owed the City based on
the expenses for building the Memorial. They hope to raise additional funds to
fully reimburse the City. Mallo said there are other fund raising events going on.
This will be the last purchase they make until they reimburse the City.
Oko reminded the Commission they are not approving a variance but only
recommending the City apply for a variance through the Planning Commission.
Any commercial entity has the right to seek a variance through the Planning
Commission.
Lasley said he is also concerned about setting a precedent and he agrees with
Bierman's recommendation to include the fund raising in the background material.
Rao said they do have to be careful when they alleviate from the City Code but he
believes allowing the six flags could be allowed.
In response to a question from Napuck, Lotthammer explained there is the
potential that other organizations could ask for variances such as the Baseball
Association with scoreboard signage, etc. He further explained the City Code was
not written with regard to parks. They could find themselves with other requests
but it is difficult to anticipate what will happen in the future. This is not something
they have had occur in the past.
Lou Ellingson, member of the Eden Prairie Veterans Memorial Committee,
explained when they designed the Memorial they had six spokes. The flags are
identified with each spoke and are an integral part of the design. This Memorial is
different than a private business putting up flags to generate traffic.
MOTION: Bierman moved, seconded by Oko, in recognition of the community,
not individual or commercial interests, to honor our veterans, to recommend that
staff apply for a variance to Ordinance 17-2005, to add six additional poles and
flags to the Veterans Memorial at Purgatory Creek Park.
Napuck asked if the City would have any liability if a commercial business came
forward stating they were required to remove their flags and expended additional
money to remove them but yet the park across the street was allowed to add flags.
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Lotthammer explained any business has the opportunity to request a variance and
he does not believe this action would have an impact on a business requesting a
similar variance.
Vote was called on the motion with all members present voting aye. The motion
carried 5-0.
VII. OLD BUSINESS
A. MAC LEASE
Lotthammer reported the City is continuing to try to meet with MAC to discuss a
lease. He understands their appraisal process has been completed and they want to
discuss the land configuration. It is anticipated City staff will meet with MAC in
the very near future and Lotthammer hopes to have something to report in
December.
B. WAY FINDING UPDATE
Lotthammer explained way finding is part of the Community Development
Division's work plan and they have indicated with the lack of development their
focus will be to look at how they get people better in and out of Eden Prairie. This
is somewhat dependent on how quickly development picks up.
C. HENNEPIN YOUTHS SPORTS GRANT UPDATE
Lotthammer explained the Legislature called for$2 million for the next 20 years
to go to youth sports and recreation. This funding is available to school districts,
cities and nonprofit organizations within Hennepin County. Staff discussed this
with the various athletic associations in the City and the Baseball and Softball
Associations came forward and indicated they would like covered player benches
at Miller Park and to replace scoreboards. These two Associations have pledged
$50,000 and have asked for$100,000 through the Hennepin County Grant
program. City staff assisted them with the application and it was delivered to the
Amateur Sports Commission. A second application was submitted for the skate
park at Round Lake and would include a 50 percent match with Hennepin County.
Lotthammer said staff anticipates knowing where they are with these grants
sometime in January.
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
A. PASSPORT TO FUN
Obiazor explained staff is recommending the Passport to Fun Fee Program be
changed for 2010 to reduce the total fee assistance from $150 to $100 per
participant; continue to allow Passport dollars to be used (qualify) for Community
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Center daily use fees for the Fitness Center and group fitness classes; and, to add
Community Center memberships and private lessons to the list of programs not
eligible for Passport dollars (not qualified). She explained fewer funds per person
will allow more people to receive the funds and there are more participants who
don't use more than $100 in funds. The changes will also allow more people to
use available funding rather than going over the budgeted amount. Obiazor
reported the reason for changing membership use is because only a few people
take advantage of the membership option and the management and administration
of Passport dollars for membership is labor intensive and is not cost effective. The
reason for changing private lessons is because group lessons provide a more cost-
effective option and the enrollment process for private lessons is more time-
consuming and labor intensive. Obiazor reviewed the Passport to Fun Fee
Program with the Commission showing a three-year comparison, funding used,
participants, dollars allocated, etc.
Lotthammer explained budget direction received from the City Council is to keep
the budget as it is. That is not happening in this case. Staff looked at what made
sense to control this budget and to develop a method to do that and still be able to
disburse the funds as fairly and equally as they can and feel the proposed changes
will assist them in doing this. They are proposing a budget of$13,000 for this
program for next year. Lotthammer further explained staff has not been told they
cannot go over budget and they have never had to turn anyone away from this
program. He is proposing they watch what happens with this program and they do
have some policies in place to control the expenditures.
Sevenich said they are educating some of the individuals using the Passport
dollars and they are also working with the schools and other groups who may not
have an understanding of what they can get with the Program. Sevenich said she
believes there will be an increase in use of this Program next summer.
Oko asked if they cap the Program per family. Obiazor said they do not and they
serve both youth and adult. She further explained they are proposing an
incremental change to the Program at this time and they can easily come back and
change the Program to no more adults and cap the Program per family if
necessary.
Gunderson asked if it would be possible to apply for some of the Hennepin
County grant money to use towards this program since some of the programs are
athletic based. Lotthammer responded the grant material was very specific that the
funds cannot be used for programs but for capital only. He said it is possible they
could solicit donations for a scholarship program and they are also exploring the
use of Community Development Block grants.
Oko asked what the average expenditure is per family. Sevenich said she did not
have this information but is something they can provide the Commission with.
Obiazor said she did not believe it was significantly high. She explained before
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they bring back any other changes they would review the data they have and
provide the Commission with the breakdown of expenditures.
Bierman questioned why they can't tell the participants they are out of money
once they have reached their budgeted amount. In 2009 the budgeted amount was
$7,000 and they are already at$11,185. Obiazor explained it is difficult to say
there is no money available once the grant is issued. Lotthammer said the issue is
over who used the grant money first. Sevenich explained over the years they have
worked to inform the users if they don't intend to use the $150 they should not be
allocated that amount so they can use the funding for someone else. Bierman said
to him it appears to be an endless pit of money. He said they should have some
safeguards to let the participants know this is not a program with endless funding.
Also, nothing has been said about how big the budget is for this Program.
Lotthammer said they may come back with further modifications to this Program
after they see how it is being used. Bierman indicated he would have a difficult
time voting on these changes. He does not know if going from$150 to $100 is the
right number. He feels he does not have enough information about this Program to
vote on a motion to change it.
Oko asked how many families participate in the Program right now. Sevenich said
there are 520 participants and with a family averaging four members they would
have 130 families. Oko said it appears the Program provides the participants with
a lot of options and she suggested they cut back individual programs. Obiazor said
a majority of the participants use half of the allocated funds and cutting this in half
seemed too aggressive. The total amount for fee assisted programs for a city with
a population of 62,000 is not a significant amount.
Napuck asked if they limit the number of Passport participants in a particular
program. Obiazor explained they do not limit the number of individual Passport
participants. The program budgets are not affected by those participants. Funds
are placed directly into the specific programs. Obiazor further explained staff does
not feel it is appropriate to decide which programs a participant should or should
not use. Napuck asked when staff would review this Program again and possibly
make other changes. Obiazor said they review the Program monthly and quarterly.
They would not come back with any recommended changes until after a full year
unless they had significant information indicating a change should be made.
MOTION: Motion was made by Napuck, seconded by Coburn, to recommend
initially to implement proposed changes to the Passport to Fun Fee Assistance
Program per staff recommendation as indicated below beginning January 1, 2010:
• Reduce total fee assistance from $150 to $100 per participant($50 reduction);
• Continue to allow Passport dollars to be used (qualify) for Community Center
daily use fees for Fitness Center and group fitness classes;
• Add Community Center memberships and private lessons to the list of
programs not eligible for Passport dollars (not qualified).
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Bierman said there is so much he doesn't know about this Program and he does
not understand the benefit of the Program and the structure in place. He also does
not know what next year's budget is for this Program. He said he would not be
able to support this motion with the information he has.
Gunderson said he could not support the motion because he does not agree
Community Center membership does not qualify for the Program. The
participants should be allowed to use the funds for the membership if that is what
they decide to do. He does agree private lessons should not be included in the
Program. Sevenich reported staff made a philosophical decision to not include
membership in the Program. There is the question of availability and they have a
month-to-month payment program and it is difficult to control individuals making
payments.
Vote was called on the motion with all members present voting aye except
Bierman and Gunderson who voted nay. The motion carried 3-2.
B. FACILITY USE POLICIES
Lotthammer explained over the past several months, Parks and Recreation staff
has met to review the current Guidelines for Community Use of Parks and
Recreation Facilities. Staff determined there was a need to review the policies to
insure all current policies were being consistently followed. Lotthammer said
there are no major changes to the document other than the removal the Outdoor
Facility from the list of rental facilities. Most of the changes are for clarification
and an acknowledgement of the way they are doing business.
With regard to#7, Damage Deposit, of the Policy on Page 6, Bierman asked why
they used the word "may"be required. Obiazor explained not all uses require a
deposit and is dependent on the type of use.
Napuck questioned why the Outdoor Facility was removed from the list of rentals.
Obiazor responded they want to keep the facility for nature based programs.
MOTION: Motion was made by Oko, seconded by Gunderson, to recommend to
the City Council the modifications and additions proposed by staff to the
Guidelines for Community Use of Parks and Recreation Facilities document. The
motion carried 5-0.
IX. REPORTS OF STAFF
A. COMMUNITY CENTER MANAGER
1. Spooky Saturday Recap
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Sevenich thanked those who participated in building the Community
Center. She explained the Saturday event showed how well this facility
serves the community. There were 250 participants.
FYI: Fall Frolic
B. RECREATION SERVICES MANAGER
1. Art Crawl Recap
Obiazor displayed the brochure included in the newspaper advertising the
Art Crawl. A $500 grant was received to help in developing this event.
There were a total of 17 local artists who participated in the event with
over 200 attendees at the Art Center and 100 at the art studios.
Obiazor explained the Human Rights Commission has identified certain
religious holidays to avoid any conflict with special City events or official
meetings. Staff does have a listing of those holidays and will take them
into consideration when they do their programming.
2. Three Easy Ways to Register
Obiazor explained they are finalizing their winter program brochure and in
the brochure it is explained participants can register through e-connect, on-
line registration or in person. They are discontinuing phone-in registration.
FYI: Winter 2010 Brochure—to be mailed November 16.
C. PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER
1. Flying Cloud Fields Expansion Update
This item was discussed earlier this evening.
FYI: Council—Award bid for Reconstruction of Prairie View Park Outdoor
Hockey Rink.
FYI: Council—Award bid for Eden Lake Park Drainage Improvements.
D. PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR
1. 2009 PRNR Work Plan
X. NEXT MEETING
The next regular meeting of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission is
scheduled for Monday, December 7, 2009.
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X. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:10 p.m.