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1983
JUNE 6 , 20
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
AGENDA
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 6, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker,
Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary
Gonyea, Jerry Kin,grey, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
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Begin Item
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF MAY 16, 1983
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 A. Request from Riley/Purgatory Watershed District Re: Staring
Lake Study
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
CA. Reports of Commissioners
None
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
7:40 a. Douglas Driveway Excavation
8:00 2. 1983 Softball League Information
8:05 3. Letter to MCA Property Owners Re: Purgatory Creek Floodplain
Plan
8:10 4. Council Report of May 17, 1983
VI . OLD BUSINESS
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8:15 A. Request to Recommend Authorization to Prepare Plans $ Specs and
Advertise for Bids for Staring Lake Park Trail - Phase I
8:20 B. Staring Lake Trail Easement Agreement
8:30 C. Staring Lake Access
VII . NEW BUSINESS
None
9:45 VIII . ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL-RESOURCES-COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 6, 1983 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen chairperson, Pat Breitenstein,
Gary Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, and Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Raiford Baker and Marge Friederichs
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and
Karen Michael , Recording Secretary
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m, by Chairperson, Marty Jessen.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The following items were added to the Agenda:- V. B. 3. part a. Status of
Design Competition and VII, A. Park Roadway Standards.
MOTION: Breitenstein moved, seconded by Kingrey, to approve the Agenda as
amended. Motion carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF MAY 16, 1983
Page 1, item IV. A. , para. 2: add; "Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol ,"
after "Larry Peterson"
Page 4, last para. , add "on future monthly reports" after "rented,"
MOTION: Kingrey moved, seconded by Gonyea, to approve the Minutes of
the May 16, 1983, meeting as amended and published, Motion carried with
Breitenstein and Schwartz abstaining,
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Riley/Purgatory Watershed District Re; Staring Lake Study
Lambert spoke to his memorandum of June 2, 1983, in which he outlined
the request from the Riley/Purgatory Creek Watershed District. He noted
the weed problem in Staring Lake is getting worse. The consensus of the
Commission was •that this is a good project.
MOTION: Schwartz moved, seconded by Breitenstein, to commit to work
with the Watershed District on any feasible program that can help to
improve the water quality of Staring Lake and to have the City partici-
pate in 50% of the cost of monitoring the water quality -- this
to be not more than a $2,000 maximum to the City. Motion carried
unanimously.
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tr V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
There were no reports.
B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
a. Douglas Driveway Excavation
Lambert introduced Jean Johnson, Zoning Administrator, who
reviewed the action taken by the Planning Commission and showed
slides of the area under discussion. Johnson introduced Terry
Douglas, owner of the property, and Ed Sullivan, grader. Johnson
noted the Planning Commission had recommended approval of Douglas'
request subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated
May 20, 1983.
Kingrey expressed concern about those who drive along TH 169 and
would see that this area had been tampered with.
Gonyea inquired as to how access to the property had been achieved
up until this time. Johnson explained it was via a private easement
on the north property line.
�. Jessen stated Douglas had originally been told by the City that he
would have to have access from TH 169. That was prior to the
adoption of the Slope Ordinance. Kingrey said this appears to be
an after the fact situation. While the City cannot deny Douglas
real access to his property, the Slope Ordinance is of no meaning
unless it is enforced. Lambert said that if the City wanted Douglas
to take access from TH 169 originally, that should be taken into
consideration. Kingrey said he felt there is a question of legal
access as opposed to physical access. Jessen said he is concerned
about a precedent being set if this were to be allowed. Lambert
noted there would have to be some very good reasons documented
should this request be granted to keep it from setting a precedent.
There was discussion as to whether or not bluff residents are
aware of the Ordinance. Johnson said the City could be directed
by the Commission to notify bluff residents of the Ordinance.
Schwartz noted the Douglas home was built before the Ordinance was
enacted. At the time the home was built access was allowed from
TH 169.
The Commission discussed continuing this request to a later meeting,
Johnson noted the City Council would be meeting tomorrow evening, June
7th, at which time this would be discussed and it would appreciate the
input of the Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources Commission at that
time.
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Kingrey asked what could be done to extend Beverly Drive. Jessen
said he felt this request would have to come from the adjacent
property owners; perhaps, he felt, the Commission could recommend
the extension of Beverly Drive as a viable solution. Douglas said
he would still need the road at least 85% of the way down to TH 169
as he must have truck access to an area where he keeps his bees.
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MOTION: Kingrey moved that the City Council look into extending
Beverly Drive to the property line and allow Douglas the.,use of
the driveway under discussion.until. the former is accomplished.
Motion died for lack of a second.
Schwartz questioned whether or not farms are subject to the
provisions of the Slope Ordinance. Johnson said all properties
are included.
Douglas noted he is also building a stable halfway down the
slope. Johnson .said the permit for the stable was issued last
year prior to the slope ordinance.
Kingrey said he felt the City Council should explore this issue.
He did not feel the Commission could answer all of the questions
which had been raised this evening.
MOTION: Kingrey moved, seconded by Breitenstein, to have the
City Council look into extending Beverly Drive to the property
line and allow Douglas the use of the driveway under discussion
with the condition that any vacation of any part of the driveway
should involve the owner's restoration of that part of the drive-
way as is practical to its natural condition. The rationale for
this action by the Commission is based on the fact that the build-
ing permit predated the slope ordinance. The Commission also
recommends that each owner of property on the bluff be sent a
registered letter regarding the provisions of the Slope Ordinance.
Motion carried unanimously.
2. 1983 Softball League Information
Lambert noted the 1983 Softball Breakdown which had been included
with the meeting materials. He said the City is running out of
ballfields and said the options are as follows: Friday night leagues,
lighting some fields, move softball leagues' to neighborhood parks, and/or
turn down teams who wish to play. Jessen said he would like to see the
costs of the various options. The pros and cons of the options were
discussed.
MOTION: Schwartz moved, seconded by Kingrey, to direct Staff to
look into the feasibility of: 1) increase fee schedules for adult
sports; 2) look to the Eden Prairie Athletic Association or other
rion-profit groups) which might consider assisting with major improve-
ment contributions over the next two years, these funds would then
be put into an escrow account; 3) consider having the City Park and
Recreation Department run some tournaments on its own which would
generate about $5,000 or so -- to be coordinated by the Athletic Co-
ordinator with the assistance of volunteers from the teams; and 4)
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if and when lights are installed at Round Lake Park ballfields,
then chain link fencing should be installed instead of the snow
fencing which is presently in place. Staff is to come back to
the Commission with its recommendations for further discussion
and direction. Motion carried unanimously.
3. Letter to MCA Property Owners Re: Purgatory Creek Floodplain Plan
Lambert reviewed the letter which had been sent to 70 property owners
in the Major Center Area.
a. Status of Design Competition
Lambert noted four firms had been selected for interviews regarding
the development of a Master Plan for the Purgatory Creek Recreation
Area. Prior to the interviews, one firm had dropped out of the com-
petition. July 22, 1983, has been set as the date when the concept
plans will be presented by each of the three firms (Brauer and Asso-
ciates, John Tietz in collaboration with Jones & Jones from Seattle,
and Saunders-Thalden & Associates in collaboration with Wirth & Asso-
ciates) ; this presentation will be made to the Chamber of Commerce,
the Major Center Area landowners as well as Commission members. There
will also be a joint meeting of the Planning Commission and the Parks,
Recreation & Natural Resources Commission before this is presented to
the City Council at its August 16, 1983, meeting. The decision to be
made will be based on input from these meetings.
4. Council Report of May 17, 1983
- Park fee policy was reaffirmed
- Lion's Club request for two J year membership to the Community
Center was approved
- Air conditioning for the Community Center was approved
- Staff will work with residents regarding the Bryant Lake power boat
situation.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Request to Recommend Authorization to Pre are' Plans & Specs and Advertise
for Bids for Staring Lake Park Trail - Phase I
MOTION: Schwartz moved, seconded by Kingrey, to approve the estimated
cost of $44,000 to prepare plans and specifications and receive bids in
order to construct Phase I of the Staring Lake Park Trail System; the
estimates include clearing and grubbing, grading, and rock base as well
as asphalt, the latter to be bid as an alternate, using City crews.
Motion carried unanimously.
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} B. Staring Lake Trail Easement Agreement
Lambert referred to his memorandum of June 2, 1983, and to the letter which
addressed the trail from attorneys for District No. 287. He stated he is
satisfied with the language of the proposal except for his concern with
the ten-year lease period. He said the trail would actually open up the
Vo-Tech campus and give the students access to 160 acres of park.
Schwartz said he felt it was time the City took the stand that it can
work on its own; the trail can be connected to County Road 1 to make a
loop, it does not depend on going through the Vo-Tech property to make
a connection.
Commission members suggested talking to the District 287 Board to explain
the reason for the concern over the length of the lease.
MOTION: Kingrey moved, seconded by Schwartz, to table this item to a
date not certain. Motion carried unanimously.
C. Staring Lake Access
Lambert referred to his memorandum of June 3, 1983, in which he addressed
this issue.
MOTION: Breitenstein moved, seconded by Gonyea, to approve the DNR's
proposal to provide a concrete ramp for the Staring Lake boat access;
the City will provide the grading of the gravel base and installation
of the ramp. Motion carried unanimously.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Park Roadway Standards
Schwartz noted the narrow turning lanes which provide access to the
Community Center and to Round Lake Park. Jessen said it is impossible
to turn into either parking lot if someone is attempting to come out.
Schwartz said Schooner Days dramatized the problem. Schwartz asked if it
would be possible to expand the Round Lake Park parking lot on the north
so there could be two ways to get into the lot; this access could be
directly across from the main entrance to the Community Center. Lambert
said striping the Round Lake lot might help to provide additional park-
ing. Schwartz said the same turning radius problem exists at the Flying
Cloud ballfields and Staring Lake ballfields. He said he would like to
have the ordinance reviewed as to specific widths of driveways. Lambert
said Staff would do so.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Gonyea moved, seconded by Jessen, to adjourn the meeting at- 9:35 p.m.
Motion carried unanimously.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 1983 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen, chairperson; Raiford Baker,
Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary
Gonyea, Jerry Kingrey, Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
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Begin Item
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES OF JUNE 6, 1983
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:40 A. Eden Prairie Horsemen Request
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners - none
B. Reports of Staff
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1. Development Proposals
8:00 a. Rembrandt Ridge Estates Addition
8:10 2. Donation from Eden Prairie Jaycee Women
3. Donation from Morning Lions Club
4. Donation from Jaycees
8:15 5. City Council Meeting Report of June 7, 1983
VI . OLD BUSINESS
8:20 A. Proposal for Surface Management Ordinance for Bryant Lake
9:30 B. Cost Estimates to Improve Park Road Entrances
9:40 C. Goals and Policies
VII . NEW BUSINESS
None
10:15 VIII . ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 1983 7:30 PM, CITY HALL
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marty Jessen chairperson, Raiford Baker, Pat
Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Gary Gonyea,
Jerry Kingrey and Jesse Schwartz
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services and
Karen Michael , Recording Secretary
I. ROLL CALL
Pat Breitenstein was absent.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Gonyea moved, seconded by Kingrey, to approve the Agenda as
published. Motion carried unanimously.
III. MINUTES OF JUNE 6, 1983
Action on the Minutes of June 6, 1983, was tabled as the Minutes were not
ready.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Eden Prairie Horsemen Request
Mike Pauling, President of the Eden Prairie Horsemen, addressed the club's
request that the City participate in leasing property from'.the Metropolitan
Airports Commission (southeast corner of County Road 1 and County Road 4) to
build a Municipal Riding Ring which could also be used for dog trials, police +,
dog practice, as a holding ring for livestock, an overflow parking area for
the BMX track, and for flea markets. Pauling showed slides of municipal rings
in Minnetonka and Plymouth. He said there are about 400 horses in Eden Prairie
and about 40 people are active participants in the Eden Prairie Horsemen's
club. Pauling said no one from the club has approached the MAC with this
proposal as it was felt this would be best done by the City. He stated there
would be a minimal amount of grading necessary at that site. Adequate park- , .
ing could be easily provided. Costs for the facility have not been estimated;
Pauling felt the costs would be minimal -- snow fencing could be used for the
ring to begin with. In other communities local horse clubs provide some of
the funds for maintenance by holding horse shows. Last year the Eden Prairie
Horsemen had a show at the Minnetonka Municipal Ring at which time they
made about $900.
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/ Kingrey said a traffic problem has been created by the ballfields at
Flying Cloud and this should be taken into consideration. Pauling
said access to the parking lot which would be used for the ring would
be off of County Road 4 (Spring Road) and not off of County Road 1.
Kingrey said Sever Peterson should be notified prior to the next meeting
at which this would be discussed as he rents this land from the MAC.
Kingrey said consideration must also be given to the flight pattern
at Flying Cloud. Pauling said this location is northwest of the runway.
Pauling also stated the horse shows would be a different times than
when the ballfields are in use which would also help wish the traffic
question.
Gonyea asked who would be responsible for cleaning up the area before
and after horse shows. Pauling said the club would probably ask the City
to cut the grass before shows and that revenue generated by
the shows would help pay for this; municipal rings require very low
maintenance. Friederichs asked if the horse club would act as the co-
ordinator of whom•,would use the ring. Pauling said he felt this should
be a function of the City; the City would lose control if it were up
to the club.
Jessen said he would like to see Staff report on the cost, to obtain
approval of this use from the Metropolitan Airports Commission, to
see if the County would approve an access off of County Road 4, to see
how the schedule would fit in with that of the BMX track, and to see
what kind of coordination there might be with the Bryant Lake stables.
Baker said he would also like to see a rough estimate as to how this
operation might be self-supporting.
MOTION: Baker moved, seconded by Friederichs, •to direct Staff to
obtain approval of this use from the Metropolitan Airports Commission
and if this is acceptable then to review cost.estimates, to see if the
County would approve an access off of County Road 4, to see how the
schedule would fit in with that of the BMX track, and to see how this
might be coordinated with activities now conducted at the Bryant Lake
stables. Motion carried unanimously.
V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS
A. Reports of Commissioners
There were no reports.
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B. Reports of Staff
1. Development Proposals
a. Rembrandt Ridge Estates Addition
Lambert spoke to his memorandum of June 16, 1983, which was a
Supplementary Staff Report of the June 3, 1983, Planning Staff
Report on Rembrandt Ridge Estates Addition. He noted the Planning
Commission had approved the proposal and that the major concern of
the Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources Commission should be the
trail requirement.
MOTION: Kingrey moved, seconded by Schwartz, to recommend approval
of the proposal subject to the recommendations included in the
June 3, 1983, Planning Staff Report and the Supplementary Staff
Report of June 16, 1983, with the provision that an 8' asphalt
hikeway/bikeway be constructed along the east side of 168th Street
from the intersection of North Manor Road south to the property
line of Rembrandt Ridge Estates Addition -- and when the property
to the south is developed, the 8' asphalt bikeway will be linked
to the existing trail . Motion carried unanimously.
2. Donation from Eden Prairie Jaycee Women
The Eden Prairie Jaycee Women have donated $800 for the purchase of
a sailboat at Round Lake Park.
3. Donation from Morning Lions Club
The Morning Lions Club has donated $439.35 for the purchase of a
canoe for Round Lake Park and to assist in the purchase of other
equipment such as life jackets, paddles and other equipment necessary
for securing and storing canoes and sailboats at Round Lake Park.
4. Donation from Jaycees
The Eden Prairie Jaycees have donated $3200 for the purchase of two
sailboats for use at Round Lake Park, as well as for picnic tables
and benches at Round Lake Park and Staring Lake Park.
Jessen asked that the Eden Prairie Jaycee Women, the Morning Lions
Club and the Jaycees be thanked on behalf of the Parks, Recreation
& Natural Resources Commission for their donations to the community.
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5. City Council Meeting Report of June 7, 1983
Lambert noted that action on the Staring Lake Park Trail easement
agreement had been continued by the City Council .
Lambert reviewed the status of the North Stars proposal and stated
that as of the last negotiation session there is nothing concrete.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
A. Proposal for Surface Management Ordinance for Bryant Lake
Lambert introduced Greg Mack, Division Manager for the Hennepin County
Park Reserve District who is responsible for the operation and maintenance
of the Bryant Lake Regional Park. Lambert reviewed the history of the
Bryant Lake Surface Management and addressed his memorandum of June 14, 1983.
Lambert noted that Minnesota Statutes authorize counties and cities to
regulate by ordinance the use of surface waters upon approval of the ordinance
by the Commissioner of Natural Resources. The Department of Natural Resources
(DNR) has established standards for ordinances that control the surface use
of public waters. He stated Staff has discussed proposals with the DNR which
encourages a minimal amount of control to ensure a wide variety of use. It
encourages restrictions on speed rather than on horsepower. The Hennepin
County Water Patrol has indicated that an ordinance regulating speed on
Bryant Lake would be nearly impossible to enforce. Lambert said the City
Staff and the Park Reserve District would recommend that the City adopt
an ordinance which would include the following:
1. Limit the size of motors to 25 horsepower.
2. Limit the effective time for that motor restriction to 24 hours per
day on all Sundays between Memorial Day and through Labor Day week-
end. Staff would further suggest that the ordinance be written that
the owner of the boat is responsible for the operation of the boat.
Kingrey asked how an ordinance of this type would affect other Eden Prairie
lakes. Lambert said this would pertain only to Bryant Lake. Kingrey asked
if it might also include Riley Lake. Lambert said that Riley Lake is not
only in two cities but also under the jurisdiction of two different counties;
both cities and counties must agree to any ordinance which would be governing
a lake.
Mack noted that the historical perspective will have to be taken into con-
sideration with any ordinance regarding Bryant Lake. He said the County
is interested in controls as long as they do not discriminate.
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Diana Waterbury, 6681 Beach Road, said she wishes Hennepin County had
never taken over the park on Bryant Lake; she had problems in the past
day with speed boats while she was fishing. She suggested the residents
be allowed to ski during hours when the park is not open rather than on
a 24-hour a day period. She felt there are too many boats on the lake now.
Fred Saxe, 6761 Beach Road, said he felt Hennepin County is building a
case to its own end rather than for the good of all . He said park users
come in for a day of boating and that is it.
Lambert said he had three or four phone calls from lake residents who
were unaware of the "gentlemen's agreement" regarding Sunday boating.
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Jim Perkins, 7012 Willow Creek Road, said he would prefer to have the
word "protection" used rather than "discrimination." He stated that
34% of the 62 residents have water vehicles of one type or another.
He said there are a number of wind surfers on the lake now and they
really don't mix well with fast boats.
Jim Rohde, 6641 Beach Road, said he had been told when he moved into
the area three years ago that the 20 horse power rule applied only to
park users and not to residents. He said he would not be against the
Sunday restrictions if they are necessary.
Don Sorensen, 7121 Willow Creek Road, reviewed what he perceived as the
problem and the solutions. He thought it might be adequate if the speed
of boats were to be limited from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Sundays. Lake
residents might be deputized to help enforce regulations, if this were
permitted by Hennepin County.
Jessen asked if there were figures available as to Sunday usage of the
park. Mack said there were about 15 boat trailers there on Sunday at
3 p.m. and the lake appeared to be crowded. He noted there is a different
clientele using the park on Saturdays and Sundays. He said the concern
of the Park District is that it must look into the future; this
park is scheduled to be upgraded in 1985-86 at which time it will get more
use. Lambert noted the DNR is monitoring Bryant Lake; it has been uncom-
fortable with the horsepower limitations. The DNR has always said there
must be public access before it will stock a lake, etc.
C.A. Botko, 7036 Willow Creek Road, said he agreed with the Sunday
restrictions. He said he would go along with a "no wake" rule on
Sundays. The idea of deputies on the lake is a guod one,he thought.
Botko stated he would like to see a 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. rule so the
homeowners on the lake would be able to use the lake for water skiing
on Sundays.
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Jessen noted there have been water surface management standards adopted
( by the DNR which must be followed and which are used to promote the
uniformity of ordinances or rules on the use of watercraft to encourage
compliance and to ease enforcement. The City would select from the
following standards: watercraft type and size, motor type and size,
direction of travel , speed limits, effective time, area zoning, conduct
of other activities on a body of water, emergencies, or the City could
submit additional evidence to best address a particular problem.
Sorensen inquired as to whether or not the Sheriff still deputizes resi-
dents. Jessen said there is a qualification program and training is re-
quired.
Perkins suggested that several alternatives be tested this year before
any decision is made. Kingrey said he thought City Staff, County Staff
and the homeowners should get together to work out a solution which is
both reasonable and workable. Mack said the data necessary can be collected
this year but there would not be historical data available. He suggested
" that perhaps the residents could help to record who is using the lake
and when; this information would be particularly helpful when the park
is upgraded in 1985-86.
Saxe said he would like to see the 20 horse power limit put back into
effect right now. Lambert said that would be discriminatory and the
County would not do that.
Gonyea asked if there are some other lakes with similar situations from
which data could be obtained. Mack said there is a file on Twin Lakes
which might provide some information; however, there has been no reso-
lution to the problems of that lake as it is within two municipalities.
Botko said there is a need for some regulations right away. Jessen said
the summer will be over before that can be done because of the process
which must be gone through -- public hearings and such.
Dr. Wesley Burnham, 7130 Willow Creek Road, questioned how a "no wake"
rule would be measured; light boats with high powered engines can provide
very little wake while a slow, heavier boat can create a large wake at
low speed. Mack said the usual mandate is"5 miles per hour, no wake."
Phil Parsons, 6861 Beach Road, said he felt a no wake rule for a fishing
boat would be difficult to enforce.
Keith Saxe, 6761 Beach Road, inquired as to how many employees there are
at the park. Mack said there are normally three at any given time. Saxe
related how he had worked for the City when it owned the park; he felt the
present employees do not "watch" the lake as they should.
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MOTION: Kingrey moved, seconded by Friederichs, to direct Staff to
gather information regarding the following: types of boats using the
lake and the days of the week various boats are in use; comparison of
usage by times; pertinent information to be gathered by Hennepin County Park
Reserve District Staff as well as residents of the lake; this data will be
presented at a meeting to be held in September at which time recommendations
will be made. Motion carried unanimously.
B. Cosa Estimates to Improve Park Road Entrances
Lambert addressed his memorandum of June 16, 1983. Baker asked how much
it would cost to blacktop the Flying Cloud ballfields parking lots; he
said the dust there is a real problem to all who use those fields. Lambert
said he would guess the cost to be at least $40,000; the City leases those
fields from the Airports Commission on a year-to-year basis so blacktopping
is out of the question. Baker asked about oiling the parking areas; Lambert
said that was cut from this year's budget.
The concensus of the Commission was to take no action on the proposal
to develop two lanes of one way traffic entering at the west end of the
Flying Cloud Fields site.
Lambert indicated the east entrance to the Community Center is scheduled
to be widened with the radius of the turn to be increased from 5' to 20'
this year; the work will be done by the Public Works Department.
MOTION: Schwartz moved, seconded by Gonyea, to recommend approval of
spending $1,760 to improve the Round Lake Park entrance (the project
would involve increasing the radius from a 5' turning radius to 201) ;
and to recommend approval of spending $340 at the Staring Lake ballfields
to improve the visibility (removal of elm suckers and spirea bushes in
the right-of-way as well as 9' of lilacs) and to request NSP to relocate
a power pole at no cost to the City. Motion carried unanimously.
C. Goals and Policies
Lambert stated he would like the Commission to review the Goals and
Policies in depth so this document can be used as a tool in the decision
making process.
MOTION: Baker moved, seconded by Schwartz, to table action on this
item until the next meeting, allowing Commission members time for a
thorough review of the material . (July 18, 1983, will be the next
Commission meeting. ) Motion carried unanimously.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
There was none.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Chairperson Jessen adjourned the meeting at 10:06 p.m.