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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 10/20/1980 1980 OCTOBER 6 , 20 i MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE I r AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1980 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson, Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 1. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 5, 1980 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 7:35 A. Annual Report of Community Ed Advisory Council - M. Anderson V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:45 1. Development Proposal - Lake Idelwild 8:00 2. Chemical Dumping in Eden Prairie 8:05 3. Community Center Bids 8:20 4. Community Services Projects - Update Fall 1980 8:30 S. City Council Minutes September 16, 1980 VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:35 A. Park Use Ordinance 8:50 B. Trails Map 9:05 C. Red Rock Park 9:15 D. Hennepin County Park Reserve District Agreement i VII. NEW BUSINESS None 9:30 VIII. ADJOURNMENT 'APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECRuEA.TION AND NATURAL RESOURCES 00101ISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1980 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson (late) ; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VardReter C0141ISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director or Community Services OTTERS PRESENT: Tom Heiberg, Land'Sake Inc. Ernie Olin, Eden Prairie News I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. , by Vice Chairperson, George Tangen. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA } MOTION: Johnson moved to approve the agenda as published. The motion was seconded by VanMeter and carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF 3EPTEMBER 15, 1980 MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Minutes of September 15, 1980, as published. The motion was seconded by Johnson and carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Annual Report of Community Ed Advisory Council - M. Anderson Lambert reported that Miok Anderson could not be present tonight and asks that this Commission hear him at the next meeting. The City Council representative on the Community Ed Advisory Council has not attended the meetings in the past, so -the Community Ed Council is asked for a repre- sentative from the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission to be on the Council instead. The one year appointment involves attending 8 meetings through the course of the year. MOTION: Breitenstein moved ';':iat someone from the Park,-, Recreation & Natural Resources Commission be appointed to serve on the Community Ed Advisory Council. The motion died for lack of a second. DISCUSSION: Tangen asked if anyone would volunteer to serve on the Community Ed Advisory Council and no one volunteered. Tangen suggested this issue be referred to the City Council and if it feels someone from this Commission should be on the Community Ed Council then this Commission can reconsider an appointee. NOTION: VanMeter moved that the question of a representative from the Parke, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission or a City Council / member serve on the Community Ed Council should be referred back to the City Council for their reoommendation. Pond seconded the motion and it carried with R. Anderson abstaining. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 6, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2- DISCUSSION: Breitenstein said she just carve off the Community Ed Council and feels it very important this Commission have a representative on that Council. Lambert explained that the main function of the Community Ed Council is coordinate the use of school facilities during after school hours. They make very significant recommendations to the School Board on how the schools are used, if there should be a charge, etc. Pond asked what Sandy Wertat role is, and if it is related to the Community Ed Council. Lambert said that Sandy is supervisor of all recreational programs for the City and works with the program director for the schools in coordinating activities. He noted that Werts has a good relationship with the school system. At this point Tangen returned the chair -to Anderson. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposal - Lake Idelwild Tom Heiberg of Land Sake Inc. was present for this project. Heiberg described the Lake Idelwild Office Park proposal, located on the southwest quadrant of US 169/212 and West 78th Street. He is proposing a 64,000 sq. ft. office park in 3 phases, the south site being the first phase of approximately 24,000 square feet (a 4 building module). The developer is asking for PUD concept approval and preliminary plat of 6.73 acres and rezoning of 2.65 acres from rural to Office District. Heiberg said the developer hopes to sell each office module to different buyers in creating a townhouse type effect. They are trying to achieve an old .world flavor in building design using mostly brick exterior. All multiple modules will have atriums or common areas within. Heiberg pointed out the trail system on a map and explained the open space and green areas which are planned toward the lake. He said they plan to build a retaining wall along the lake, limestone or field stone in nature. Vank eter asked how deep the lake is? An Anderson (fee owner) family member said the lake is quite shallow, but is higher than normal C' today because drainage is obstructed by adjacent office complexes. r Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 6, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -3- t Along with this, Heiberg said that as soon as the DNR establishes what the high water mark is they will then be able to see how extensively the shoreline can be developed. Lambert added that the City has made application to open the lake outlet to the original level. This will change the configuration of the lake somewhat. Tangen asked if the developer can give a percentage of impervious surface. Heiberg said there is 2.93 acres of open space or setbacks out of the total 6.5 acres--so about 6al coverage. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of thelake Idelwild Office Development per staff recommendations. Anderson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Anderson said he would like to see the City put up signs designating the name of a lake in the City when the lake is bordered by a. road. Lambert said he would check on the possibility of this and report at the next meeting. 2. Chemical Dumping in Eden Prairie Lambert referred to Staff memo of October 1 , 1980, where he is responding to a request by R. Anderson. The memo lists three souroes that monitor chemical dumping at the landfill: 1) the staff at the landfill; (2) PCA; and 3) County. Anderson expressed concern with individual homeowners dumping fuel oil in garbage cans. He said there is no control at present, over what the individual dumps in his cans which eventually go to the landfill. Lambert said it would be impossible to control the individual homeowner. 3. Community Center Bids Lambert cited the total bids came in at $2,632,954, which includes all options. The ground breaking took place today, October 6, 1980, at 11 :30 a.m. . The ground breaking occurred on very short notice as construction is scheduled to begin Wednesday, October 8. Anderson and Friederichs expressed regret that there was not more advanced notice of the ground breaking. 4. Community Services Projects - Update Fall 1980 Lambert said this is an information item only and referred to Staff Memo of October 1 , 1980. • j Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 6, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- 5. City Council Minutes September 16, 1980 a) Discontinued Red Rock Park - Alternate sites , to the next meeting. b) Denied fence at Hidden Ponds Park on 3-2 vote. o) Approved railroad right-of-way proposal d) Approved Heinen's request e) Approved LAWCON f) Approved Hidden Ponds Park improvements VI. OLD BUSI11ESS A. Park Use Ordinance Lambert referred to the revised City Ordinance that was modified by the City Attorney, and also to a letter from Roger Pauly regarding the Ordinance. Anderson said he is satisfied with the Ordinance as it is and does not agree with Pauly's letter suggesting unrestricted horse riding and archery. r r Lambert said he feels there should be a place for horses but not un- restricted riding. Ile said he has had no requests from horse owners in the City for specific riding areas. Anderson said he is concerned that Pauly's letter included too much personal opinion and did not deal with the advice requested of him as Attorney--the legality of the City Ordinance. Tangen asked if the public Safety Department is satisfied with the allowance of: alcoholic beverages in parks. Lambert said they were satisfied and. urge passing of the Ordinance as the City presently has nothing. MOTION: VanNieter moved to recommend the Council pass the City Ordinance as written. Tangen seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. B. Trails IQap f,TOTION: Tanged moved to continue this to the next meeting so Commission members can more thoroughly review the map. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Anderson said he would like to see Eden Prairie use white bike tr:'_l lines on highways and signage which includes ' Bike L•anr), turning lane but pedestrians and bikes have the right-of-way. Lambert Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 6, 1980 Natural Resources Commission --5- said the County is eager to approve that kind of bike trail, but this Commission has gone on record as not wanting that kind but a separate 81 asphalt trail. Lambert agreed that in some cases on some of the major routes if that is all we can do that is acceptable, but whenever possible we should go separate trail. C. Red Rook Park Lambert referred to Staff Memo of October 2, 1980, where the Council has asked Staff to investigate an alternate park site as Mr. Seifert, owner of the choice park site, is not willing to negotiate for the sale of his property until he finalizes the sale of the Pheasant Oaks site. The only alternate site Staff feels is worth considera'.tion is the Carmody property but will cost twice as much due to development costs. Tangen said this Commission took the stance of condemnation on the Seifert property if he was unwilling to sell, because his property is the choicest site and the people in the Red Rock Lake area have been waiting too long for a park. SAOTION: Tangen moved to recommend reaffin,n.tion of this Commission's recommendation that if the Owner (Seifert) is unwilling to sell, to encourage the City to proceed with condemnation so park development can proceed. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. D. Hennepin County Park Reserve District Agreement There are two things that the HCPRD wants the City to clearly understand as it goes into the park agreement. The HCPRD plans to: 1.) Change the boundaries on Bryant Lake Park from 160 acres to 210 acres to keep a. minimum of 200 acres for a regional park. This acquisition will include approximately 5 property owners. 2.) Include in the agreement that the City of Eden Prairie will not oppose any condemnation necessary to finish acquisition of properties within the proposed boundaries of parks. MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the increased park boundaries of Bryant Lake Park as proposed by the Hennepin County Park Reserve District, and that the City should notify all affected property owners of the affects of the new agreement regarding condemnation. Pond seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. VII. NEW BUSINESS - None VIII. ADJOURNMENT - Vani-leter moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:40 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz Recording Secretary r -1- AGENDA SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION AND HISTORICAL/CULTURAL COMMISSION THURSDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1980 6:30 P.M. , GRILL HOUSE 6:30 P.M. I. INTRODUCTIONS II. REVIEW OF EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR OF GRILL HOUSE AND SURROUNDING GROUNDS 7:15 P.M. III. RETURN TO CITY HALL (Sandwiches and coffee will be available at the City Hall) IV. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AND DECISION A. Historic Parks/historic sites - programming, use and funding B. Future of the Cummins/Grill House C. Future of the Douglas/More House CD. Future Meeting Place for the Historical/Cultural Commission E. Historic House and Building Survey V. ADJOURMENT i i AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1980 CITY HALL 7:30 P.M. COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, chairperson; Pat Breintenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond, Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter CONSUSSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF OCTOBER 2, 1980 and OCTOBER 6, 1980 r IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND CONZIUNICATIONS 7:35 A. Annual Report of Community Education Advisory Council - Mick Anderson (will arrive after 8:00 p.m.) C V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposals 7:45 a. Lake Riley Estates 8:00 b. Eden Prairie Community Church 8:15 c. Prairie Lakes Condominiums (Anderson Lakes Addition) 8:30 2. Grill House Repair 8:35 3. Mini Rinks 8:40 4. CDBG Report 8:45 S. Council Report - October 7, 1980 VI. OLD BUSINESS 8:55 A. Trails Map Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- October 20, 1980 Resources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 9:15 A. Resolution on Historical/Cultural Commission Responsibilities 9:20 B. Advertising in the Community Center 9:30 C. Request for BMX Trail 9:45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT C r APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER 20, 1980 CITY HALL, 7:30 P.M. COMIUSSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Pat Breitenstein, Marge Friederichs, Robert Johnson, Gloria Pond (late), Dr. George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Ernie Olin, Eden Prairie News Larry Peterson, Preserve William Bonner Mick Anderson., Community Education Director I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Chairperson, Richard Anderson. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Johnson moved to approve the Agenda as published. The motion was seconded by Friederichs and carried unanimously. III. !MINUTES OF OCTOBER 2, 1980 AND OCTOBER 6, 1980 MOTION: Breitenstein moved to approve the Minutes of October 2, 1980, a's published. Johnson seconded the motion. TI.e motion carried with Tangen and Vanlvleter abstaining. MOTION: Tangen moved to approve the Minutes of October 6, 1980, as published. Vanneter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COW4UNICATIONS A. Annual Report of Community Education Advisory Council — Mick Anderson Lambert announced that Mick Anderson will arrive after 8:00 p.m. , so this item will be tabled until then. V. REC01Y11I, ATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1 . Development Proposals a. Lake Riley Estates Lambert reviewed the Commission's action from the last meeting on this proposal. The Commission tabled Lake Riley Estates until the Council considered Lake Riley as a regional park per the Commission's recommendation. Lambert reported that at the Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 20, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -2- October 7, 1980 Council meeting, the Council denied regiona:. park status for Lake Riley--they feel it should remain a community park. Lake Riley Estates, therefore, is before the Commission for action at this time. Lambert said the City presently owns 9 acres at Lake Riley and acquiring additional acreage to total 40 50 acres is feasible as a community park. Lambert said his own feelings about the Swedlund property is that it is a beautiful park site but it is very expensive at the current appraised value of $325,000. Tangen asked Lambert to review the Citys' financial status with regard to park acquisition funds. Lambert said there is approxi- mately $311 ,000 coming in from Anderson and Bryand Lake Parks, and roughly $200,000 from LAWCON reimbursement. VanMeter remarked that this Commission has tried to acquire this property twice over the last several months. Lambert agreed and added that so far this Commission has been very consistent in 9 its efforts to acquire the Swedlund property. Anderson again reminded members of the Commission that several Y years ago the Community Services staff was criticized for not taking action toward purchase of the Swedlund property and he feels it is too valuable to pass by again. ; P MOTION: VanMeter moved to recommend going back and try to seek acquisition of the Swedlund property on Riley Lake at what the Council and Staff feel is a reasonable price. Friederiohs seconded the motion. DISCUSSION: Lambert reminded the Commission that the issue at hand is Lake Riley Estates. Tangen said he feels the Commission should approve or disapprove Lake Riley Estates at this point even though their first priority is that the property be a park. AMENDMENT TO P+MOTION: Tangen moved to amend the motion as follows: 7, The Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission reaffirms its position that the Swedlund property would best be park property than residential, and also reaffirms that it is their opinion this property might well fit into a regional park in this area. Should a regional park not be possible, the second alternative is a community park in this area and the third and last alternative is a low density development such as Lake Riley Estates. Breitenstein seconded the motion. On the question of the Amendment to the Motion, Anderson asked for a vote on the Amendment. The vote was unanimous with all voting "aye's. r On the question of the Original Motion, Anderson asked for a vote and it was unanimous with all voting "aye". � I l Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 20, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -3- b. Eden Prairie Community Church William Bonner was present as pastor of Eden Prairie Community Church. He reviewed the location of the approximately 5 acre f site being west of the new high school and north of Valley View Rd. Bonner explained that the main sanctuary portion of the building will be a multi purpose facility utilizing passive solar energy and possibly earth shelter in construction working into the approximately 201 grade level change in the site. Tangen commented that the parking lot expanse should be broken up more with trees and various landscaping techniques. Bonner said he is in agreement with this comment and the plan thus far only shows very preliminary design of the parking area as the developer wants to observe the drainage flow in this area through the coming -c winter and spring. Lambert said he also feels it is very important to break up the parking lot with trees, atc. Lambert also mentioned that this site is within the Shoreline Management Ordinance of Round Lake, so if over 30/ of the site is impervious surface a variance is necessary. Lambert suggested that Bonner obtain the exact per- centage of impervious surface before this proposal goes to the Council. Tangen asked if churches are required to pay the Cash Park Fee. Lambert said yes. MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend approval of the Eden Prairie Community Church per Staff recommendations. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. c. Prairie Lakes Condominiums (Anderson Lakes Addition) Larry Peterson was present representing the Preserve. The developer is asking for preliminary platting of 16.93 acres into 2 lots and an 8.4 acre outlot and modification of a 1973 zoning approval of 253 units to a total of 163 units. The project is located south of Preserve Park, north of Anderson Lakes Parkway and Basswood Road. Peterson said they are proposing 163 condominium units for the western portion of the site and the remainder of the site will be lower density 14 double bungalow lots and 11 single family. He said with this proposal they have the approval of the majority of the residents of the Preserve. Peterson said the residents would like to see access through the site to the park and major center area. C Minutes - Parks, Recreation & .approved October 20, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -4- Lambert said he has a few concerns with this proposal regarding trails. He said there are two sections of trail on Anderson Lakes Parkway on either side of this project and he would like to see a connection made by the developer. He said there will be some difficulty taking the trail through the underpass and careful consideration should be made of that section by the developer. Lambert further pointed out that access should be made north to the park perhaps around the pond area. Staff also recommends that surface drainage go into the storm sewer system. Staff will work with the developer on these issues. MOTION: Breitenstein moved to recommend approval of Prairie Lakes Condominiums per Staff recommendation regarding trail and drainage. VanMeter seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. DISCUSSION: Friederichs asked if the Commission could have a report back on the outcome of the trail plan details. IV. A. Annual Report of Community Education Advisory Council - Mick Anderson Mick Anderson arrived to give his report. M. Anderson described his role as director of Community Education in Eden Prairie. He noted recent changes made in the Bylaws of the Advisory Council C as follows: 1) a person from Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission to serve on the Advisory Council is more appropriate that someone from the City Council. 2) a representative from the Senior Citizens organization serve on the Advisory Council. 3) a non voting member (besides Anderson) serve on the Advisory Council (Lambert). Marge Friederichs asked for a copy of the bylaws and M. Anderson said he would send her one this week. M. Anderson pointed to 3 primary tasks Community Education will deal with this year: 1) proceed with a needs assessment before the year is over 2) continue to revitalize the Advisory Council 3) put in writing a cooperative agreement between the City and Community Education for use of facilities, staff, etc. This would pertain to current financial support being adequate, too much, etc. Dick Anderson asked with the per oapita aid is in Eden Prairie. M. Anderson said it is currently $2.50. r Minutes — Parks, Recreation & .approved October 20, 1980 Natural Resources Commission —5— M. Anderson expressed hopes that there will be a representative from this Commission on the Advisory Council. Lambert suggested the Commission wait on this as long as they agreed last meeting to see how the Council feels about having a representative on the Advisory Council. Tangen asked where the directive should come regarding the written agreement on Community Education financial support. Lambert said he asked 1-1. Anderson to make a. draft and present it to the City. Dick Anderson said he feels facility use is a very important part of the written agreement. He asked if Staff would draft something with regard to facility use. 2. Grill House Repair Lambert referred to this as an information item. 3. Mini Rinks MOTION: Tangen moved to recommend approval of the Mini Skating Rinks per Staff recommendation. Johnson seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. 4. CDBG Report Lambert referred to this as an information item. 5. Council Report — October 7, 1980 a) Approved. Timber Creek b) Continued the issue of a drainage outlet for Lake Idelwild c) Requested Staff to proceed with negotiations with Mr. Siefert on Red. Rock park site. d) Denied regional park at Lake Riley. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Trails Map Tangen asked Lambert if this is an official final trails map or just a guide. Lambert said it is a guide only--presently there is nothing and this will be a guide as trail connections are made and development proposals are considered. iWTION: Tangen moved to recommend that the City adopt the Trails Map as presented to serve as a guide plan for a trail system. Breitenstein seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Minutes - Parks, Recreation & approved October 20, 1980 Natural Resources Commission -6- I DISCUSSION: Pond asked if we could lose any of the trails on the map. Lambert said this map gives the City a point to start with, and if an;$r trail changes are considered they will have to be brought before the Commission, so nothing will be added or deleted without approval. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Resolution on Historical/Cultural Commission Responsibilities Tangen questions whether it makes sense for one Commission to be in charge of historical structures and another Commission in charge of the property. Lambert said it is a matter of covering costs of maintenance of the property. A park crew mo.intains the grounds and the money comes from the park budget B. Advertising in the Community Center Lambert said there should be a policy on what the City is going to allow regarding advertising in the community center. Guidelines are needed as to what color and size can the signs be, etc. i Tangen said he feels we should do a survey of what other communities have done and come back with recommendations. `- C. Request for BMX Trail Lambert referred to Staff Memo of October 16, 1980 regarding this competition type of bike trail. Staff feels a lot of City youth could be served by a trail such as this. Tangen asked who requested this trail. Lambert said he has been approached by Jim Clark, a Public Safety Officer who works closely with the schools and youth, and John Lobin who has a child very interested in this type of bicycle racing. Tangen feels Lambert should point out to the Council the sources of interest. Lambert said he feels this community should consider supporting this sport on a local level. rather than through national representatives of BMX racing. Anderson said he would like more information on the sport regarding liability, where the funding would come from, etc. Lambert said the trail would probably be funded through Cash Park Fees (approx. $5,000) and the only addition insurance coverage necessary is for sanctioned races. WOTION: Breitenstoin moved to recommend approval of the B14X Trail. Friederichs seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURITMENT - Tangen moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:40 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Carrie Tietz, Recording Secretary