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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 09/25/1979 1979 SEPTEMBER 171125 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE o .. AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 1979 7:30 P.M., CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; David Anderson, Steve Fifield, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell, George Tangen, Larry VanMeter COMMISSION STAFF: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. MINUTES OF AUGUST 20, 1979 V IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 7:40 1. Development Proposals - Overlook Place 8:15 2. Round Lake Water Quality Report 8:45 3. Miller Park LAWCON/LCMR Grant Preliminary Rank 8:50 4. Round Lake Park Plan 9:15 S. Eden Prairie Stables Plan 9:30 6. Erosion Problems 9:40 7. Recreation Brochure 9:45 8. Council Report 9/4/79 VI. OLD BUSINESS 10:00 A. Diving Platform - Round Lake Park �� 10:15 B. Comprehensive Park Plan r Parks, Recreation a Natural -2- September 17, 1979 C�. Resources Commission VII. NEW BUSINESS 10:25 A. Shooting Permit Ordinance Revision 10:40 B. Joint Powers Agreement - School District/Round Lake Park (Ballfields) 10:50 C. Regional Recreation Open Space - Major Policy Issues 11:15 VIII. ADJOURNMENT `i 1 ti APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, September 17, 1979 7:30 P.M. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Chairperson; Steve Fifield, Robert Johnson, Robert Kruell , Larry VanMeter, David Anderson (arrived Late) COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: George Tangen COMMISSION .STAFF PRESENT: Robert Lambert, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. Larry Iesh, Pat Walquist, Karri Walquist, Craig Walquist, Lorilee and Kristi Olson, Ann and Martha Pesola, Marni and Marcus Peterson, Coralyn, Greg, and Sarah Koschinska, Tom and Kristi Myers, Don Redinius, Chris Andy, Kathleen and Dave Perry, Stewart Lopin, Char and Pete Stark, Ashley Ilvoren, John, Beth, Julie, Carrie, Pat, and Kevin McCormick, John Kelley, Richard Putnam, Hustad Development Company, Joe Dolejsi , Dick Dahl , E.P.News. I. ROLL CALL CRichard Anderson, Chairperson, called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Additions: V.B.9. Bond Issue Update - R. Anderson VII.D. Menard Property - Kruell MOTION: Johnson moved to approve the agenda as published and revised; Kruell seconded tTie motion, which carried unanimously. III. MINUTES OF AUGUST 20, 1979 MOTION: Kruell moved, and Fifield seconded, to approve the minutes as published. Tie motion passed, with R. Anderson abstaining. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMUNICATIONS None V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners None B. Reports of Staff 1. Development Proposal : Overlook Place Richard Putnam represented the Hustad Development Company and presented a Minutes.--Parks., Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -2- brief history and outlined the development proposal for the Commission; noting they had dropped one double-building to provide a tot-lot that could be used by residents of neighboring Yorkshire Point as well as Overlook Place. This also has a positive effect on the safety of the cul-de-sac by eliminating a driveway. This tot-lot would be developed by the developer, and the C.P.F. would also be paid to fianance the further development of an adjacent parcel of land previously donated by Hustads to the City. Lambert noted that this donated open space adjacent to Creek Knoll Drive is planned to accomadate only passive recreational uses, since most of it is in the flood plain. A tot-lot could be developed on part of it, but shouldn't be constructed until Creek Knoll Drive is cul-de-saced. Mrs. Pat Walquist, 9500 Woodridge Drive, representing the Creekwood residents, r _ asked that some of the children be given an opportunity to speak before the Commission. Sara Koschinska observed that they had no place to play kick-ball ; Kevin McCormick noted that they were forced to play soccer on the lawns; Beth and Julie McCormick stated that the older children had no place to play tennis or volleyball ; Kristi Meyers asked for a safe place to ride her bike; Craig Walquist noted that playing football in yards did not please the neighbors; and Marcus Peterson suggested that a safe bike trail would help the older kids ride to nearby parks, where some of these activities could take place. Mr. Don Redinius, 9524 Woodridge Circle, noted that the hilly, wooded terrain of the Creekwood area does not allow for play within the neighborhood. Mr. John Kelley, 9576 Yorkshire Lane, pointed out that when they purchased their home in the Yorkshire Point Development, they had been told that the open area near Creek Knoll Drive would be fully developed by the City, and he was surprised to hear that it might not happen. Lambert explained that there would be no hard surface areas (subject to flood damage) or backstops; however, as a passive use area, the park could be mowed and picnic tables could be added to the site. Lambert went on to point out that geographically, Creekwood is very close (one-half to one mile) to Staring Lake Park-- potentially one of the nicest parks in the community. After the highway work is done, they should have relatively safe access. There are bike trails planned, and crossing lights at the Highway 169 intersection. Homeward Hills Park will be an active use park, 31 acres in size, with ball fields and tennis courts planned, and should be accessible by bike from the Creekwood area. I Pat Walquist presented the statement prepared on behalf of the Creekwood residents (attached). She also noted that as prospective homeowners, they were given a brochure with a map which contained as outlot which was represented to them as unbuildable--but probable park land. That lot was developed last year, without any notice to the homeowners. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commi"ssi.on -3- ( Putnam explained that the term "outlot" is used for many th.ings--, roads, future developments, etc. It only indicates that it is not being developed along with the rest of the project. Coralyn Koschinska, 9379 Creekwood Drive, asked why the Commission wasn't asking for two lots for park area, since the need seemed to warrant it. StewartLopen, 9506 Woodridge Circle, asked that the Commission consider providing play fields for the neighborhood, as well as safe access 'to all recreational facilities. Lorilee Olson, 9523 Creekwood Drive, asked why the City would accept the donation of unusable land? Putnam noted that the property along the creek was valuable, but it should be left in its natural state. He pointed out that every new home built in the city now pays a Cash Park Fee. He suggested that if each household were to donate $300, there would be adequate funds to purchase a park site. He also felt that enlarging the park in Overlook Place to accomodate Creekwood would be unfair to adjacnt landowners, since as active use park in the midst of a fully developed area would create a nusance. Tom Meyers, 9539 Creekwood Drive, stressed the need for a safe place for children to play and ride bikes. Putnam suggested the City Staff look into the possibility of a direct trail �- from County Road 1 to Homeward Hills Park site, since it lies only 1000 feet south of Creekwood, but the present roads are indirect. MOTION: Kruell moved to continue the question until the next meeting in order to come up with a recreational area to accomodate Overlook Place and Creekwood. VanMeter seconded. DISCUSSION: Lambert noted that the staff recommendation would be the same in two weeks, and that withholding a decision was not fair to the developer. He suggested the Commission recommend more parkland, or pass the proposal . Kruell withdrew the motion, and VanMeter withdrew the second. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend that the Council deny approval of the proposed Overlook Place Development. VanMeter seconded. DISCUSSION: Kruell stated that he felt adding another high density development would only compound the park problem, as well as other problems. Fifield noted that he had no problem with the development as it was proposed, and the solution of Creekwood's lack of recreational facilities is not tied to the passage of this development proposal . VOTE: The motion did not pass; all opposed except Kruell & Johnson; and Dave Anderson, who abstained. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -4- MOTION: Fifield moved to recommend to the Council approval of the proposal per revised staff recommendation (to include lot dedication and Cash Park Fee and to eliminate the six foot trail to Purgatory Creek) in the Memorandum of September 14, 1979. R. Anderson seconded, and the motion carried, with Johnson and Kruell opposed, and Dave Anderson abstaining. R. Anderson directed the staff to come back with recommendations for possible solutions to the problem being experienced by the Creekwood residents. This information should appear oni the next agenda. At the same time, Anderson urged the citizens to become aware of the park needs City-wide, and support the bond referendum. The need is more urgent now than ever, and the community will be unable to meet the needs of its people without a successful referendum. 2. Round Lake Water Quality Report Lambert offered comment on the recommendations in the comprehensive Water Quality Study of Round Lake done by Barr Engineering. Among the suggestions, the most significant called for poisoning the lake, and restocking it with a more diversified fish population. Lambert suggested that D.N.R. be called to do this, and follow up studies would be required. There may be several sources for possible funding of such a project. MOTION: Kruell moved to accept the Barr Engineering Report, and to continue C discussion of this item until the next meeting when action can be taken on the recommendations. Fifield seconded, and the motion passed unanimously. 3. Miller Park LAWCON/LCMR Grant Preliminary Rank Lambert presented this informational item to update the Commission on the current satus of the project. With a number 5 or 6 rating, it is fairly certain to be funded in 1980. A short break was called by Chairperson Anderson. 4. Round Lake Park Plan The final plan being reviewed by the staff does not require the existing ballfields to be relocated, thus requiring less grading. They also are investigating the possibility of moving the existing park building (at the request of EPAA) . The facility had been used repeatedly throughout the year by various groups using the park. Staff is also suggesting that running water be put into buildings, underground irrigation systems be installed in the fields, and fountains at the tennis courts. R. Anderson asked about the cost of moving the park building, and noted that running water is a good idea. Johnson suggested the City may find a new park building more practical . t,. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -5- C 5. Eden Prairie Stables Plan Lambert reported that the capital improvement plan at Bryant Lake Park was approved by the Metropolitan Council . This is to include grading the roadway, parking lots, and new riding areas, re-roof a barn, and plow �. and seed previous farmland. Dave Anderson asked what could be done if the funds were not adequate? He was told that they could do part of the work, or apply for additional funds; but the funds should be very adequate. ` MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend to the Council acceptance of the final stable plan. Johnson seconded, and the motion passed; Kruell voted against the motion. Kruell explained that hethe stable plan because it represe�nr5__T - 4 government intrusion activities more adequately and appropriately operated by private enterprise. 6. Erosion Problems Kruell commented that Carl Jullie, City Engineer, had .done a very O ce job of outlining the situation. He felt the key to the problem was the "random" inspections that seem to be too random. Kruell also noted that it appears there is not sufficient inspection by the building department. Lambert noted that a new staff person is being added to check out all development proposals approved by the Council , as they are being built. Fifield suggested that after reviewing the actions, policies and procedures being initiated by the City, the proposed agreement with developers to clean streets should be based on need rather than frequency. Dave Anderson stated that in man cases the complaints that were coming in to City Hall should have been directed to the builders in the first place. Kruell pointed out that the siltation of the City's lakes, streams and ponds is the City's problem with the builders, and the City needs stricter inspection and enforcement. 7. Recreation Brochure Lambert asked the Commissioners for their reactions to the new format used for the Recreation/Community Education Brochure. Dave Anderson asked what the final cost was; he also did not think the new format was an improvement over the previous one. Lambert told him the department had not received the bill yet, but were not anticipating much difference from last year's cost since only three pages had been used -for Community Services. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -6- 8. Council Report Actions taken at the meeting of September 4, 1979, on recommendations of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission: 1) Council authorized the staff to enter into a purchase agreement for the lots in Topview Acres, in the amount of $40,000. 2) Council authorized offering the Milkovich house for sale, to be moved from the property, rather than renting the house. 9. Park Bond Issue Update Lambert told the Commissioners that a special meeting had been called for the Park Bond Referendum Committee, the City Council , and the School Board on September 18, 1979, prior to the scheduled Council Meeting. They were to discuss the possibulity of building a pool and/or ice arena on school property--financed by a bond referendum through the City. The School Board has to give approval to the general concept or the plans must be changed. R. Anderson raised the possibility of disagreement, and asked how long the bond issue should be held up waiting for decisions. Lambert pointed out that the School Board has indicated that they wanted ( detailed answers, and that a comprehensive study could take up to a year to complete. If approval is given to the concept, the date could be set; if not, the Committee might consider trying to pass a bond issue based on park acquisition now, and come back with another referendum after the study for the facilities. He reported that Jerry Kingrey had suggested that the bond referendum occur no later than November 15, 1979. Kruell requested that if there is a decision to be made by the Commission, all the pertinent information should be sent to the Commissioners well in advance of the next meeting to allow sufficient time for review. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Round Lake Diving Platform Lambert reported that the contractors he had contacted did not recommend the use of a stationary diving platform (with pilings) , due to the easterly location of the beach on the lake. The floating dock alternative was investigated further, and staff found that a 16' by 28' raft with a diving board, ladders, etc. could be purchased for $3,515. Dave Anderson asked how much money had been budgeted for the raft, and was told that there was $5,000 budgeted for the project. MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend that the Council direct staff to <' purchase the 16' by 28' diving platform for Round Lake Park. Fifield seconded, and the motion carried unanimously. r .. Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources Commission -7- The order of the agenda was changed to accomodate citizens who were waiting to be heard by the Commission on the proposed shooting permit ordinance change. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Shooting Permit Ordinance Revision The Public Safety Department is requesting the City to draw new lines for "No Hunting" areas. This proposed plan leaves much fine hunting land in a no-hunting zone. Staff recommends that hunting be eliminated on Rice Marsh Lake and Mitchell Lake only. Mr Joe Dolejsi spoke on behalf of his father, who owns and pays taxes on thiry acres of land within Rice Marsh Lake, and owns much surrounding property also. They are opposed to having hunting eliminated there,since they feel it is still a safe place to hunt. He did complain that they had many unauthorized hunters on their property. Kruell noted that it seemed like poor planning to change the boundaries two weeks before the hunting season begins. He thought the Commission should look at the problem again after hunting season. MOTION: Kruell moved to recommend to the Council that they revise the Firearm Ordinance to exclude hunting on Mitchell Lake, with all other boundaries to remain the same; and schedule a review of hunting on Rice Marsh Lake two months after the hunting season is over. Dave Anderson seconded, and the motion passed unanimously. (VI)B. Comprehensive Park Plan Lambert noted that several alternative plans were submitted to the Council ; one with a deficit, one with no deficit, and one using the proposed one- mil levy as projected revenue. This was an informational item. (VII)B. Joint Powers Agreement This joint powers agreement between the City and the School District will allow •For joint use of a baseball field and a softball field at Round Lake Park, since the City will develop them on school property. MOTION: Dave Anderson moved to recommend to the Council approval of the joint powers agreement, as recommended by the staff. R. Anderson seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously. C. Regional Open Space - Major Policy Issues Lambert presented a report to the Commission in which he had commented and made recommendations on the Regional Open Space Major Policy Issues as they will affect Eden Prairie. He noted that nine major policies are changing-- r directly affecting Eden Prairie. He recommended that the Commissioners review Minutes--Parks, Recreation & approved September 17, 1979 Natural Resources coTrmtssion -8- �' both the report, and his comments and recommendations thoroughly before the meeting on October 2, 1979 with. the representatives from the Metropolitan Parks and Open Space Commission. �D. Menard Property Kruell noted that the -Menard property, in the process of being developed, has. become an eyesore to the community. He asked why so much grading was being done to develop only a portion of the property. Lambert told him their plan had received approval for 60% of the area to be graded. Kruell asked if they could be required to cover the ground back up, rather than leave it to erode into Purgatory Creek. Lambert agreed to look into the matter. VIII. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11:35 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, Poorgia Jessen zording Secretary I I 1. i WE HAVE SOME Creekwood children here representing a total of 70 kids in our neighborhood. They have various messages that they would like an opportunity to voice if they could. Carr C r i s 14evih the e Pe+e- S-�nrK Creekwood is here this evening to publicly share some park concerns Ptcice. that we have relivant to the Overlook Pent park issue that you are addressing this evening. Creekwood is a neighbor hood that is now totally sold and we find ourselves sadly without the in-netghborhood park that we were all convinced we would, in fact, someday enjoy. The reason we felt we would have this park is, in the plan for developement of Creekwood, there were outlots included. These lots were explained as lots that did not meet city building code and hence would not be developed. ;Sfteq,however, that would make ideal recreational areas. AA A need that ,O ' Vas obviously pertinent in that most of us do not have much open yard. We were patient, realiting that these amenities of suburban life take time to eztablish in a newly developing commVnity. Now six years later there houses on these lots. - You can appreciate the angftr we felt when we came home from vacation last summer to find a component house had been moved into be sold by the developer, on a lot we had always considered as our park. L01% We feel that iri the government process that the developer has to go through to gain the variances needed for this developement)that we(being Creekwood) were not well represented by this city government. The next question of course is Now what? Creekwood has formulated the following solution to elBviate out' park problem. Ourur first prtort y is an_ open field. We would like to see the park in this Overlook Place project expanded to become an open field large enough for touch football , sand lot ball, and have the potential to bankel and flooded for a skating rink to the winter. An off street access should be provided for kids from Creekwood to use. Secondly, while all our lots are sold we do have five undeveloped lots. We would like to see the city buy one and .extablish an in-neighborhouod park tbjXd 9 We would like the point, bordered by #169 and Creekknoll Road, maintained in it' s natural state. Because of the hazards of traffic, pond and creek we feel this area is unsafe for children to play. Lastly, we would like to be assured that Creekwood will have safe access to the bike ways now in the planning stage for Eden Prairie. In closing we have two points to establish Attract First of all IS Eden Prairie is going to continue to ;dXt1fAjdX "custom-bu' lt- .on site Housing" it is going to have to provide ai le,easas�t equal services to those they are striving to establish and maintain- in low cost and medium density housing. Failure to do so will most assuredly result in substantial lose of the custom housing market. Lastly, We feel very dispppointed that we have had to resort to a public demonstration to try to get something, as basic to quality community planning� a safe place for kids to play. " i W O W 0 V Q O /. E Q O , Q 1O © °moo O 'ol 3 O O O O o IL / fn �1p o`QG a 7- t1 i8 O To is O n °d no 19 m p1ONEER -TRAIL ��z,, iti .1 �•• 1,1 ..af. ' � cg'eclo:7ood I �E. I A MINUTES PARK BOND REFERENDUM COMMITTEE, CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE SEPTEMBER 25, 1979 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Gloria Pond, Marie Cornett, Sharon Levitt, Mary Lee, Paul Redpath, Dave Anderson, Jerry Wigen, Jerry Kingrey, Ed King, Dick Anderson, Bob Lambert At 7:55 P.M. , Kingrey called the meeting to order. Kingrey read a letter from Lyle Shaw in which Mr. Shaw indicated that he preferred a single question be presented to the people. Kingrey also read a letter from Bill Phillips, who also indicated that he preferred a single question. The committee then discussed which members of the committee should be allowed to vote on the content of the information in the report to the Council. It was decided that all committee members that have been active on the committee including "liaison" members would have a vote on the content of the report. The report will go to the City Council in this weeks packet and will be on the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission agenda on October 1 and the Council agenda on October 2nd. Kingrey presented information that some studies indicate that Thursday is a better day than Tuesday for successful bond elections. He requested the City attempt C to have the election on November 15th, a Thursday, rather than November 20th, a Tuesday. The committee then discussed the number of polling places that should be used in the election. Dick Anderson moved that the four usual polling places be used in the election. Seconded by Mary Lee, motion passed unanimously. Comments were then heard regarding the community swimming pool and recreation center report. All comments were favorable and each committee member felt the report included the information requested by the Council. It was indicated that operational costs are almost impossible to compare because each community figures different costs in the operating budget, and nearly all facilities have a different architec- tural design, a different operating policy, and a different heating method. There was a good deal of discussion concerning the best method to get all of the information out to the residents of the communtiy. Dave Anderson talked about the tremendous growth in the youth hockey program in Eden Prairie. Dave believes that there will be around 500 kids in I-IAEP in three years. Dick Anderson suggested that the pool be located at the Middle School due to the use by the physical education program at that age level. Jerry Wigen indicated the School Board was more in favor of the pool at the new High School due to the amount of land available, the question on location of Highway 212, and because there is physical education at grades 9 and 10 in the High School, and because of the use it would receive from swimming teams. -2- C Wigen also indicated that most members of the community would prefer to see the Pool as a community facility rather than just a school facility, and the Round Lake Park location is a better location as a community facility. Members then commented on the park acquisition and development report. Jerry Kingrey informed the committee that the FAA had indicated to the Metropolitan Airport Commission that there are some problems with the proposed expansion of Flying Cloud Athletic Fields. MAC staff will be meeting with the FAA staff to try to alleviate their concerns. Kingrey explained that the committee increased funds for youth athletic fields from $51,000 to $140,000 because of the possibility that we may not be able to use the MAC property. The City and MAC will be discussing the proposed field expansion with the FAA in an attempt to alleviate their concerns. Therefore, item number 6 in the report should be titled "development of fields for youth athletics",with expenditures of up to $140,000. Paul Redpath suggested that we not get too excited about the FAA concerns at this point. He felt that it would be a mistake to blow this issue out of portion and cause a lot of negative public sentiment with the FAA. He felt sure that this issue could be resolved if the FAA was not pressured and the City and MAC were given a couple of months to work things out. Jerry Wigen also recommended the City consider talking to the school about developing youth athletic facilities at Round Lake Park, north of 72nd Street. The school will be grading and seeding that area anyway. He also commented that we must remember adult recreation and athletic facilities. We should clarify that all pathways are 8' hard surface trails. Ed King indicated that there were some kids that had to be turned away due to lack of facilities. The public should be aware of this. Jerry Kingrey requested that Ed provide him with percentages of increases in soccer, softball, baseball, etc. Dick Anderson also felt there should be more specific references to facilities for young adults and older people. Kingrey then requested comments on how members felt about a single question or multiple question issue. Mary Lee indicated that everyone she talked to felt they would like to see all of the issues passed and were in favor of one question. Sharon Levitt was in favor of a single question. The people she talked to were in favor of developing facilities comparable to adjacent communities such as Edina and Bloomington. Gloria Pond was in favor of a single question. Ed King indicated the EPAA members were divided between one question and two questions. He was in favor of a single question. Marie Cornett said that the people she talked to were in favor of a single question if the issue was really spelled out and the need for each item was clarified. Paul Redpath was in favor of one issue. -3-- ' Dave Anderson was in favor of one question. Jerry Wigen was in favor of a single question. He reiterated what the committee indicated at the first meeting, which was a single question. He also told about his random phone call survey (making sure he didn't know any of the people he called) everyone had their specific or special interest. However, nearly all agreed that they would vote for one question if their own special interest was included. He felt that it is very important that we present it to the people properly (of .the 40 people he surveyed, all but 3 wanted a single issue question) . There was also a poll taken at the Hockey Association sign up. 264 people signed the poll, 245 wanted a single question. Jerry also indicated that senior citizens on a fixed income such as Social Security and a limitied pension would not be affected by any tax increase caused by a park bond referendum. Jerry Kingrey was in favor of a single question. Jerry also did not make up his mind until he had talked to many residents. The vast majority are in favor of a single question. Only the very strong special interest groups were in favor of separate questions. Dave Anderson moved that a unanimous vote in favor of accepting the report with the recommendation of a single question be sent to the City Council. Seconded by Gloria Pond, motion passed unanimously. A summary of the two reports with the recommendation of a $3.5 millon dollar figure and a single question will be sent to the City Council. All committee members are invited to the City Council presentation on October 2nd. Wigen and Kingrey will make the presentation to the Council on October 2nd and the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission on October 1st. Lambert will send the copy of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission agenda and the City Council agenda to all members of the this committee that are present plus Lyle Shaw and Bill Phillips. Meeting adjourned at 11:00 P.M. Respectifully Submitted, Bob Lambert Recording Secretary