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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 04/18/1977 1977 APRIL 4. 18 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE ,r AGENDA �- EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, April 4, 1977 7:30 PM. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, Randy Retterath, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Service Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II'. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF MARCH 21, 1977 MEETING 7:40 IV. PETITIONS, REQUEST, AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Everything Goes Competition B. Communication From Ed McGaa-- Flying Cloud Airport Property V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners_ 1 . 2. B. Reports of Staff 8:00 1 . Edenvale & Preserve Park Sites 8:30 2. Report of Softball Study Committee 8:45 3. 1977 Summer Recreation Program 9:00 4. Ballfield Inventory 9:15 5. Pillsbury VI. OLD BUSINESS C A. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. 9!45 VIII. ADJOURNMENT F APPROVED PARKS, RECREATION AMID NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION r M+I0NDAY, APRIL 4, 1977 7930 PM, CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENTS Vice-Chairman Winiam Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, Steve Fifield, Mary Upton, and Paul Choinieria MEMBERS EICUSEDs Chairman Marvin EMrickson, Richard Anderson, Tim Pierce, and Randy Retterath r MEMBERS ABSENTS Francis Helmer `i STAFF PRESENTS Director of Commmaxnity Services Marty Jessen Recreation Supervisor, Sandy Worts I:sndscepe Architect, Chris finger h OTHERS PRFSENTs Bonnie Donovan, Sue Leslie, Mr. & Mrs. Gary Dreifing, Mr. & Mrs. John Severa, Roger Miller, Mrs. Allen Parker, Barb Rutherford, Mr. & Mrs. Mike Heinecke, Cathy Mdger, Carol Brack, Margaret Stoep, J. Anderson, Carol Gafner, Darlene Roen, Ruth Riohards1,-,-Mr.-&W8. H. Trager, Mike Thurston, Denny Koffman, Mr.&Mrs. D. Duilamp Yvonne Tousignant, Vivian Paine, Karen Petersen, Allan Stour, Roger Schumacher, Mike Gruidl, ,. Mr. & Mrs. James Cullen, Mary Remakal, Mr. & Mrs. Bill, Hans, Darlene Thoen, Don Peterson, Edenvale Inc., Martin Hanson and Dale Kostner, Pillsbury Co.. Vice-Chairman Garens called the meeting to order at 7:40 PM. Since a quortaa was not present at that time, Garens ruled to consider following item for discussion. s \J W.A. Everythi a Goes Competition Jessen spoke to letter of March 17 received from the Minnetonka Community } Services extending invitation to participate and suggested that the Commission members contact community groups to generate enthusiasm. No action required. Choiniere arrived at 7345, forming a quorum. II. APPIMOVAL 0E AGENDA v Addition of IV.C. Congratulations - Garens ' Garens ruled that Agenda be approved as amended. III. MINUTES OF MARCH 21. 1977 MEETING Pg. 1, para. 2, sent. 2, add "use" after "term". " 2, " 8, sent. 1, add "that portion of site north of the glide path a and fronting on Co. Rd. 1, so that the remainder would be landlocked paroelyaf."else" '':?'` ' delete "zone B. so that it would be a landlocked parcel". Pg. 4, para. 3, sent. 4, add "to buy the land" after "deed"; add"of the -; assessments." after "payment". Pg. 5, para. 1, sent. 1, delete "rate", add "purchase price". uc 4, add "projected" after "revenues"; add "in this area" after "fee". Minutes - Parka, Rec. and Page Two ?� Natural Resources Commission ;.approved April 4s 1977 i " Pg. 5�s pa"ra. 2, sent. 4, correct "Horab" to "Horak". 4s, delete "before softball season". MJTIONiGhoiniere moved to approve Minutes of March 21, 1977 meeting as amended.. Upton seconded. Motion carried, with Garens and Middleton abstain- ing because of absence. V. B. Reports of ataff 1. Sdenyale & Preserve Park Sjtes Jessen spoke to memo of April 1 from Chris Eager, Landscape Architect for the City, in which citizen concerns were addressed, and also spoke to the need for a general concensus of a master plan for these sites. He added that specific cost estimates will be developed after the master plans are worked out. He turned the meeting over to Enger. A< Finger referred to graphic of original school/park site plan for Edenvale designed a year ago, and how it has been changed the past few weeks in response to outcome of citizen input at neighborhood meetings. He said t9. ; that his purpose was to arrive at a general concensus as to what uses should be in these neighborhood parks, then develop detailed grading plans and cost estimates. He spoke to funds that will be received by the City through the Community Development funding, applied for in 19769for general park development at Edenvale and the Preserve. He said the :,,,;1 plan C was done on the general level of park sites around the City, and that he ? had talked to members of the School Board and Administration regarding the future elementary school to be*,built, and they had estimated about ten years before this would be done. Finger spoke to suggested uses asshockey and free `. skating rinks, two softball fields, two soccer fields, and tot lot, and 't;^ Wormed the audience what would have to be done in order to accomplish these t uses. He asked Mr. Don Peterson, Edenvale Ina., to speak to his alternate plan. Peterson explained his offer to entar a short term lease with the city for } a section of land in NE corner for use as a ballfield or tot lot, providing -, it did not prevent Edenvale from developing the surrounding land in the future. He continued that, when-they come in for development, the City can require them to dedicate that part to the City as open space, which he felt would be an asset to everyone. He added that there would be an underpass for p$destrian crossing under Edenvale Boulevard. Kingrey questioned the placement of the softball field, and felt it looked rather close to the residential site to the east. Peterson explained that the area is AM' by 4001, and only 275' is needed for a softball field. Garens explained the policy of allowing the Commission members to discuss the issue first, then opening the meeting to the public. ` Choiniere asked whether this was a typical site that the Commission has been proposing and why the ballfields were moved. Eager responded that the existing t`P residents were opposed to original placement of ballfields for environaoantal reasons, because there is a drainage area, with significant vegetation and marsh related trees and shrubs, and since this is dedicated land, there is not i . r G :r Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Three Natural Resources Commission approved April 4, 1977 a lot of useable land in this area for that.._kind.-.of recreational use, and also, the residents felt it was too close to their homes. Upton inquired about trails. Enger said that the original concept was to connect the north seven acre chunk to the school/park site as an environmental link, with the hard transportation trail along Valley View Rd. He said that some of the resi- dents were opposed to part of the trail system for environmental reasons. There was discussion on the parking needs, and general agreement that two parking pods would be adequate; the need for"fill" in both plans, because of standing water; and grading costs because of being located partially in flood plain. Kingrey suggested a short term use of the school site, since it was on stable ground. ` Jessen responded that he felt : it.-,,- could be used, and that he did not feel there was a firm stand from the School Board as to when the school would be built, and that the City was told that there was to be three schools put up before this one. Kingrey felt that this should be discussed further with the School Board. Middleton asked what the objections were to moving over and accepting the short term lease from Edenvale. Jessen responded that our best choice was to utilise the ; A land we have, and the "jumping across" Edenvale Blvd. was brought about by protesting of residents and brought in as an alternate plan. Garens commented that the park site had been there a long time, and feels the school l is at least ten years off, and feels that we should develop the site we have. He pointed out that moving the lighted areas away was a good choice, but in doing that, the children will have to walk further and that it also puts them closer to Valley View Road. Mr. Gary Dreifing, 7068 Springfield, spoke toseutheaA borner site,-, and expressed opposition to active recreational use in that corner because of lack of a •buffer. He said he was not opposed to a tot lot in that area. Enger responded that all envimn- mental conoerns aside, with the drainage ditch problem solved, he felt that a ballfield `'; could be located 100 or so feet away from back lot lines and would be buffered by exist- ing vegetation. He added that from a park planning standpoint, putting all of the uses on one part of the lot was a better solution. ,y MOTION:Choiniere moved to not consider the four acres to the east of Edenvale Blvd. at this point. Motion died for lack of a second. Ruth Richards, 15350 Creekside Ct., asked whether it was unlawful to fill in flood plain. Jessen answered that it is unlawful without a permit. He said a permit can be received after review by the City Council, Watershed District, and agencies such as Department of Natural Resources, but these are for limited recreation uses. Vivian C. Paine 7021 Woodland Dr. children speaking for the~hockey mothers and fathers, F objeoted. to moving the lighted fields because many small would use them, and it would be too far away. She suggested upper corner for that use. Upton commented that she did not feel the City should put in too much money into grading etc. if they were to accept the short term lease offer by Peterson. Jessen said it would be a longer term lease for what he was talking about, and it would be a long term solution. �i• i {i Minutes - Parke, Rea. and Page Four F+� Natural Resources Commission approved April 4s 1977 l Peterson added that a 50' by 1001 area was already !graded and ready to go, and if that could be used, we could lease only the 100' by 1.002 rather than 400' by {' 400'. Choiniere commented on the large turnout and complimented the people on their show of interest. In order to find out the needs of the people present, he ss' asked for a show of hands as to which recreation uses they wanted. Most of the { people were in favor of a tot lot, free skating rink, hockey rink, tennis court, and one ballfield for unorganized softball. Ruth Richards, 15350 Creekside Ct., spoke to their love of the wildlife and felt it would all be lost because of the noise etc. from an active recreation area,and said they love children and don't want to sound as if they are coming out �a against children. : A ;R i - Cathy Ekiger, 7059 Woodland Dr., asked where the tot lot would be located, and '# ' suggested placing it in the area where the school is to be built and keeping the ;Y• trees. Eager responded that tot lot is not a problem and is located because of need. Mrs. Eileen Duilam, 15241 Creekside Ct., expressed appreciation of Choiniere's com- meats, and added that they are concerned with keeping the wildlife there; She said she would like to propose only one ballfield, and save the trees. Eager responded that the reason for the discrepancies between the plans is because of the PR&NR and Staff Ia task to reply to several different concerns and to try to incorporate a lot of suggestions. He explained that in suggesting two ballfields, we are operating l under past experience and projections and we know the need is there. He added that it would be more efficient to plan for the future, as far as use of grading equipment etc., and also that Community Development funds may not be available. James Cullen, 15381 Creekside Ct., expressed his appreciation of the PR & M Commission, and explained his position on the question of trails. He said the Creekside at. peopled. ., p feel that a trail connecting the recreation area with the northern seven acre area would inundate the creek area, and that connecting the park with a wildlife area is an unnecessary linkage between two different uses, and it would soon becomes trans- portation trail. He said they were not opposed to the other trails. Jessen explained that this plan was originally in the Edenvale PUD, with dedication by Edenvale of this land as public. He said the City has not taken any formal action on that area. He added that they had invited the people from the Hillcrest areas because of its proximity to the park, to the neighborhood meetings. Darlene Thoen, 15361 Creekside Ct., expressed opposition to replacing wildlife with intense recreation. Barb Rutherford, 7023 Woodland Dr., expressed concern for play area for the children of Briarhill, and felt that out of 70 acres, their need was for only 15 acres. �. Denny Koffman, 15270 Creekside Ct., expressed environmental opposition to the use of the woods and drainage ditch, but was in favor of one ballfield in the open area, skating in the location agreed on, and saving all the trees and wildlife we can. / He suggested that the Commission members drive by the area and observe. 1, h t. is 1e; Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Five Natural Resources Commission tapproved April 4s 1977 h� Mike Gruidl 7052 Springhill Circle asked about the possibility of using the � s Po y � hockey and skating rink area as another ballfield in the summer, leaving the upper area natural. Enger responded that one of the main problems would be , that the hockey, boards and lights would have to be taken down each season, and that the area is quite wet already and would need significantly more fill for use as a ballfield. Jessen summarized the considerations the Staff had taken into account in pre- paring the concept plans presented. !' 4 .. MOTIONtMiddleton moved that the PR & NR Commission recommend to the Council that we accept the idea as expressed; with hockey and free skating rink located as they are here; parking pods; tot lot; possibly in school site area; one ballfield a; as expressed by residents; maximum screening in response to the wishes of the residents that live there; and at this time, not to consider offer of land that Don Peterson has expressed. Choiniere asked whether the ballfield would be organised or unorganized playing. Middleton responded that it would be up to the residents to decide. ' Kingrey inquired about when the school would be built. Middleton answered that she was speaking to the needs as she seesthem now. r` The drainage ditch was discussed, with Enger explaining that there was no standing water, but running water about 3 inches deep. Jessen added that the out is steep ;. and deep. fib. IV. H. COI1 l?n�Q �i tin +�.�n� Mc�Gaa F'l Ing Cloud Alroort Property w Jessen spoke to communication from MoGaa and informed members that Enger is in the process of developing preliminary details and will have report r, for next meeting. No Action Required. V. H. Revorto of 2. Resort of Softball. Study Committee Recreation Supervisor. Sandy Werts spoke to memo of April 1, and to the .. formation of a softball study committee to review the local playing rules r and eligibility. She asked for response from the PR & NS Commission in two areas; who can play in our leagues and code of conduct. The eligibility of girls under sixteen of age playing on the women's a teams was seriously questioned, because of association and other factors. Middleton commented that there is a serious need for girls after they J are not eligible for F.PAA and that we are not addressing that need. Kingrey felt that these people should express their wishes and an effort would be made to accommodate them. Y•• Kingrey commented on the fact that this long discussion is out of place at this point, and that the matter should be placed on other Agenda by the people concerned. _ y After more discussion regarding this particular need, Jessen suggested tthat the discussion of athletics for youth be discussed in tean section. Minutes - Parks, Rae. and Page Six Natural Resources Commission approved April 4, 1977 �h He explained that organized athletics, which by definition in our budget is geared to adults, is what we are considering at this point;, and for budget purposes, youth programs are not in place here. MOTIONsChoiniere moved that we suspend consideration of the entire summer recreation program for this evening, because there is too much to consider, Upton seconded. Worts expressed concern for having facts to present at the Managers meeting scheduled for the Wednesday of this week. AMENDED MOTION:Choiniere moved to suspend consideration of the summer recreation program for this evening, except the first three paragraphs of "Organized Athletics- Softball" report. Upton seconded. Motion carried, with Kingrey casting the dissenting vote. Kingrey left the meeting at 10s00 PM. Garens ruled that the meeting was ended because of lack of a quorum, but discussion r would continue. RECOMMLNDATIONsChoiniere made the recommendation, with unanimous support, that we approve the "Organized Athletics-Softball" program, with the change made to eliminating girls under the age of sixteen until interim team is organized. B.5. Pillgbury Mr. Martin Hansen and Mr. Dale Kostner were present to represent the Pillsbury Co.. Hansen spoke to their present position of buying 235.7 acres of land from the Preserve, outlining boundaries. He ,said that Schooner and Preserve Blvds. s. are not dedicated and easement accesses are not resolved. He continued that they recognize the area as an unusual, unique site, if properly done. He said they are looking at a twenty year program in three phases. Choiniere asked whether their plan called for MTC to service their area. Hansen responded that the Eden Prairie Center is presently served by MTC, and that some companies have their own shuttles, and that their plan does not presently address itself to that issue. Thence was discussion on the open space for wildlife management area consistent with the Blacklook Nature Center goals, with Jessen explaining that City Attorney Perbix and the Pillsbury attorney are considering this and there will be a legal definition forthcoming. Choiniere spoke to phone calls received from residents of the Preserve opposing Pillsbury plans because the building would limit their view of Anderson Lake, and also because of the twenty years of continued building, with its noise and pollution,, i i Minutes -- Parks, Rea. and Page Seven Natural Resources Commission approved April 4, 1977 Roger Soh macher, 10830 Fieldcrest, expressed his opposition because of the roof view, and explained that the builder had promised a view when they purchased their lot. He said they were also concerned with the parking lots, noise, and pollution. Choiniere inquired about the holding pond. Hansen said there was a natural swail for drainage. Jessen added that it was under review from Nine Mile Creek Watershed District. Choiniere commented that he felt it was a very beautiful area, and felt the plans as relating to the nature center and protection of wildlife were acceptable. RECOMNMATION:Choiniere made the recommendation, with unanimous support of the remaining members, to advise the Council that we accept the plan as presented by Pillsbury, subject to review of final document by the attorneys on both sides regarding committment to open space and management of wildlife. VIII. ADJOURNMk;NT Garens ruled to adjourn the meeting at 10:40 PM. Submitted by, �. Donna Stanley Recording Secretary I i AGENDA 13DEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, April 18, 1977 7:30 P.M. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Richard Anderson, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Jerry Kingrey, Robert Krull, Randy Retterath, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. SWEARING IN OF NEW MEMBERS 7:45 IV. ORGANIZATION A. Election of Officers 1. Chairperson 2. Vice-Chairperson B. Bylaws V. MINUTES OF APRIL 4, 1977 MEETING VI. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 8:00 A. 1978 LAWCON criteria 8:15 B. Park Bill Before State Legislature VII. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. 2. r f i 1 Parks, Recreation & Mon. , April 18/77 Natural Resources Commission -2- B. Reports of Staff 8:30 1. 1977 Summer Recreation Programs a. Playground b. Skill Development c. Teen d. Athletics e. Beaches f. Teen Softball 9:00 2. Ballfi.eld Inventory 9:05 3. Preserve Park Plan 9:30 4. Flying Cloud Airport a. Wolf. Property b. Tennis Courts 9:45 5. Round Lake Park a. 1968 & 1977 LAWCON Grants <_ b. Division of Property 10:00 VIII. OLD BUSINESS 10:00 A. Pillsbury IX. NEW BUSINESS A. B. 10:15 X. ADJOURNMENT , • APPROVED . PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES GONMIISSION " MONDAY, APRIL 18, 1977 7s30 PM, CITY HALL ' MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice-Chairman William Garens, Jerry Kingrey.. Richard Anderson, Mary Upton, Steve Fifield, Randy Retterath, and Robert Kruell STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services f} Sandy Werta, Rea. Supervisor, & Chris Enger OTHERS PRESENT: Liz Traoy, Mr. & Mrs. Tom Redmond, E11en Redmond, Mr. & Mrs. DeWayne Nelson, Kathy Nelson, Bill art Reitherman �,N': r Vice-Chairman Garens called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM, 7 II. APPRONAL OF AGFMA The following items Were added to the Agendas tat er of Appreciation - Maryi.ng Erickson " D. Letter of Appreciation Choiniere Helmer. X1=2t2n & Pierce VI.C. CoMn=oation from Gebhart-Rilev-Purgator9 Creek Watershed Dist. � MRPA Notice - Jesse i n D. r? VII.Al. Report Qf Softball Committee - KinP_rev r " "2, Purgatory Creek - Anderson " B6. C.E.T.A. Proposal IX.A. Rnnnc3 Lake water -leyal and fish status - Anderson 1 B. Riley Creek Valiqg tour date , Garens:ruled that the Agenda be approved as amended, with agreement by Commissioners. r, III. SWEARING IN OF NEW 100M Jessen, designated to swear in the new members, administered the oath of office to Randy Retterath and Robert Kruell. IV. ORGANIZATION A. Flection of Officers I 1. Chainerson - Garens opened nominations. Kingrey nominated Anderson for the office of chairperson. r Upton moved that nominations be closed and that Anderson be elected unanimously. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Chairman Anderson conducted remaining business of the meeting. 2. Vice-Chairperson - Kingrey nominated Garens for Vice-chairman. Fi£ield seconded, motion carried unanimously. Upton moved to olose nominations and elect Garens unanimously. Retterath seconded, motion carried unanimously. ( Anderson ruled to consider "Report of Softball Committee" as next item on agenda, because of the presence of interested parties. N r „ i f Minutes - Parks, Rao. and Page Two ! ; Natural Resources Commission approved April 18, 1977 VII. A. Reports of Commis ion rs 1. aport of Softju Gommi.t ee - Kinarev Kingrey spoke to the softball study committee, explaining that he I'r, and Anderson were on the committee, and that after hearing the pro- blems, it was his feeling that because they were playing last year, they should not be excluded from playing on this team this year. He asked Liz Tracy . to explain who and why these younger players were on the team, and who would not meet the age limit. Liz Tracy spoke to four younger players,, Beth Hustad, Marianne Kispert, Kathy Nelson, and Ellen Redmond. She said Ellen was 13 yrs. old, and could play in EPAA, but felt that since she had played with the team last ; year, she should be able to play this year. She explained that it was too late in the season for another league and she didn't want to see them '. sitting around, and that they wanted to play. Mrs. Rita Nelson, 8224 Hillside Dr., questioned why a rule put into effect this year should effect girls on the teams from last year. Mr. DeWayne Nelson questioned the rule because they had nothing to be in- volved in, and felt the status of the team should not be affected. �r �_. Mr. Tom Redmond, 16870 Cedarcrest Dr., asked why the rule came about and what instigated it. Jessen spoke to or�,ginal memo of April 1, which was the result of the findings of the softball study committee, chartered by the City to assist r us in the league rules such as, eligibility, play offs, qualifications etc.. He spoke to one of the problems identified by the members of the women teams, which had to do with the ages on the lower end. He said the young- er members may be better players, but there is rationale for separating the women and girls, because of the division in inter-scholastic partici- pants in the State High School League from adults. He continued that they did decide to allow a"grandfather clause" to allow the three younger players, but for the purpose of "phasing" through until other opportunities to play would be available for those ages. He spoke to memo of April 15, which outlined present plans for such a program. Mr. Redmond commented that the "grandfather clause" was fine because it would allow Ellen to play this year, but he felt that you are penalizing talent by making the girls play at a lower level, after they have been "up". Garens commented that it was the intent of the PR & NR Commission for all i to play softball, and if they are eligible in their age group they should „ play, and if there is no group for their age, they should be allowed in a women's group. _ MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend that the Report of the Softball Study Committee of April 19 1977 be received and approved and to direct Staff to implement the recommendations. Garen seoondedp motion failed with a vote of 3-3-1. Kingrey, Upton, Anderson voted "yey"; Garen, Fifleld, Retterath voted "nay"; and Kruell abstained. Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Three Natural Resources Commission approved April 18, 1977 Mr. Redmond:.pointed out that Ellen has not completed eighth grade last year. 3 Anderson said she has the opportunity to play on EPA& team in the 6-7-8th grade group. s Kathy Nelson said this is the only team that has the young o players,era and could not understand the hazzle abouit; it. Anderson directed the question of whether there were any State rules regarding age of women's teams to Werts. She responded that she was unsure. Mr. Redmond suggested protecting the players who started with this team, and let the other teams build up. ; Kruell pointed out that the purpose of the league of this type was to have fun and play softball, and he appreciated the fact that they had built up a"powerhouse". Upton commented that EPAA softball. and League playing is entirely different. t.. Jessen added that adults strive to win, and can handle that pressure, but EPAA program tries to equalize talents and develop skills ; , r. 4 l; Gerona asked whether Kingrey would accept amendment to his motion, allowing the one girl under age for this year, but that no girls under this age would be planned ( for next year. Kingrey would not accept the amendment. `. MOTION: Garens moved to allow exception of age limit for this year. Anderson seconded. Motion carried with a vote of 4r2-1. Garens, Anderson, Fifield, Retterath voted "aye"; Kingrey and Upton voted unay"; and Kruell abstained. Kingrey commented that he did not feel it was a good policy and she should play at the EPAA level. I Anderson felt there were extentuating oircumstanoes in this instance, because of no place for deleted players at this time in EP, and we should look at this for next year. Upton requested that the issue be included as part of our goals and be put on agenda in February. Anderson spoke to parents and girls present and enoouragedthem to plan for or- r ganized teams next year,partioularly a high school team. Kathy Nelson pointed outthat the high school league would give them nothing to do in the summer, and that it would also conflict with track. Anderson ruled to consider B.l.f. Teen SoPtbej1 next on the Agenda and asked for questions. Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Four Natural Resources Com. approved April 18, 1977 C B.l.f. Teen Softball LOTION: Upton moved to table "Teen Softball" until next year, because it was so late in the season. Retterath seconded, motion failed with a vote of 2-5. Upton and Retterath voted "yay"; Anderson, Garens, Kingrey, Fifield, and Kruell voted "nay". DISCUSSION: Kruell commented that frequently we cannot play softball at this time oftheyear and feels we should try to make an effort and see what kind of program we i can put together this year. Most of the Commissioners ware in favor of trying to put together a pro- gram, and an organized co-recreational program was suggested. I MOTION: Garens moved to approve the Staff report of April 15, 1977 on `I Teen Softball and the three recommendations as outlined. Fifield seconded, motion carried, with Retterath abstaining. Jessen commented that there is growing interest in girls softball, and spoke to the girls who would have played for two years in the EPAA pro- gram, and who would have generated enough interest to want to continue. IV.B. a9laws There was discussion on the changes necessary in order to comply with the t. new Ordinance and Council Resolution relating to the decrease in members. MOTION: Garens moved, seconded by Kruell, to consider Bylaws at the meeting of May 2, 1977. Motion carried unanimously. ;s t' Jessen introduced Mr. Bill Reitherman, who would serve as liason to PR & NR Commission for EPAA and spoke to letter received from Mr. Dennis Solie, EPAA President. Upton asked Reitherman how many girls in the softball league this summer. Reitherman responded there were about 130-140 girls; 4 teams of the younger girls and 6 teams of the older group. C. Lgttgr of Appreciation to Mervin Erioksog MOTION: Kingrey moved to recommend to the Council that a letter of apprecia- tion be sent to Marvin Erickson, and the letter be presented as a joint letter of appreciation from the Council and this Commission for his many years of exemplary service. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. D. Dotter of Appreciation to Choiniwj, Helm r. Micddletgn. & Pierce MOTION: Garens moved that the other members no longer on the Commission; Via, Choiniere, Helmer, Pierce and Middleton be sent a letter of appreciation. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. r, 4 Minutes - Parks, Roe. and Page Five Natural Resources Com. approved April 189 1977 i' C' V. MIVU- TES OF APRIL b. 1977 NIEPTING F: ti Pg. 2, para. 6, sent. 2; add "to the residential site to the east" after"close.". Pg. 3, para. 7, sent. 1; delete "southwest", add "southeast" 5, " 3s " 6; add "Kingrey seconded. Motion carried unanimously." Pg. 5, add para. after para. 11; "Kingrey commented on the fact that this long discussion is out of place at this point, and that the matter should be placed on other Agenda by the people concerned." MOTIONt Kingrey moved that the Minutes of April 4, 1977 meeting be approved as amended. Fifield seconded, motion carrion, with Anderson and Retterath abstaining. y Anderson called 5 minute recess. Fifield left the meeting at 9t15 FM. VI. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND CONQQMCATIONS A. 1978 1A1dCON criteria Jessen spoke to the 2.4 million dollars in LAWCON and DNR grants available for 1978, which is an increase of 150% over last year, and the manner in which they intend to evaluate 1978 LAWCON Grant Applications. He suggested that it should be recommended to the Metro Council that these grants be available to projects per merit and apply all aerosso Metres- area. He was concerned that, according to present manner of evaluation, Eden Prairie would be eligible for one grant only, while St. Paul and Mple. Would be j eligible for five grants. Kingrey asked whether because the Mple. and St. Paul areas were developed, M:;r there was a need for five grants. Jessen responded that after analyzing the situation, he discovered that Mple. and St. Paul have several sources of development grants available to them. He added that he feels it is dis- criminatory to limit Eden Prairie to one grant, and that last year three pro- r; jects would have been funded because of merit. Kruell asked whether Eden Prairie would be more able to construct facilities and pay for and operate them ourselves if we were not involved in the fiscal E' disparity situation. Jessen responded that the two things affecting the City's financial capability are the fiscal disparity and bonding limitations, cH which means that no matter how low your mill rate is you cannot spend more than 6% per capita a year. 1 z� MOTION: Garens moved that this Commission recommend to the Council that they inform the Metro Council of our dissatisfaction with the "one grant per year rule", in view of the fact that,,xe have- fiscal disparity", and that the Mple. and St. Paul areas have access tetcommunity development funds which we do not, IRV and due to our current rapid growth, we will never be able to acquire and develop at today-Is cost. Kingrey 'seconded, motion carried unanimously. i �R Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Six Natural Resources Commission approved April 18, 1977 B. Park Bill Before State Legislature t Jeseen spoke to the report outlining 1978-79 Outdoor Recreation Bonding Program, noting the inclusion of Bryant Lake Park as a priority for the completion of acquisition by the financing of the Bran property currently, under option. He continued that the Bill is currently before the State Legislators, and it is contemplated that Bryant I;ake project will be funded to purchase Bran property and reimburse the City for some expenses occurred. Garens suggested that the refund of City funds be put back into park bond fund of 1968. MOTION: Kruell moved to express support for this program as outlined. Upton seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Latter from Mr. Gebhart, R11en-Pyrgatory Creek WatershedDistrict Jeseen spoke to the communication received regarding the water quality study completed and that the Watershed District and Pollution Control Agency are currently negotiating with the owners of the Hidden Va11ey Stables to resolve the pollution of the creek bed problem. No action required. D. MP-RA notice Jessen extended invitation to the Commission members to attend the meeting to be held on Tuesday, May 10, at 4230 PM to 10:00 PM at the St. Paul Campus of the University of Minnesota. Anderson encouraged members to attend, since he had attended several, commenting that they are always very informative about what other communi- ties are doing and about options open to the Commission members on various issues. No action required. VII. RECON-WDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Report of Softball Committee - previously considered. 2. amatory Creek - Anderson Anderson spoke to the public hearing hold by the City Council on the Lower part of Purgatory Creek, and the many questions coming up. He felt that the position of the people has changed since finding out the size of the creek, and that land owners on the lower part have more reservations than before,, He continued that the Council members are depending on us for direction and are open to suggestions. He said that the total creek sector and what is being done, the precedentuthat will be set as far as treatment of slopes, funding etc., will set the precedent along the entire creek valley. He spoke to funding, and to such properties as the Deaver property, and if we have to go out and k Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Seven Natural Resources Commission iapproved April 18, 19,77 buy this land, we will not be able to do it. Be said the Council is asking how can we preserve this creek area, and is this the prime area in the community. Kruel.l questioned giving the Council direction unless we can formulate an acceptable policy statement amoungst ourselves. Jessen spoke to the le ' po lengthy motion by the Council to table the matter, and to the direction to the Staff to look at the kinds of committments and compromises that could be made, based on the lower Creek study. r; MOTION: Garens moved to table the matter until after the scheduled tour of the Purgatory Creek Valle was accomplished. K rl Ka y y mp ingrey seconded, motion carried, with Upton casting dissenting vote. ! B. Reports of Staff '' 1. 2977 Summer Recreation Proa►rams a. Plavaround-Werts spoke to addition of site at Birch Island, and deletion of sites at Edenview I and II and Paradise Valley, because tt Birch Island would serve that area. Worts answered questions ontthe use of a guard to get the children across the street safely, who she said Would be hired or would be one of the leaders; success of the program - very successful; the new program for the age group of ten years and over, and the need x, to challenge them;&duplication of summer activities, such as caning or the overnite- no interest in overnite. N b. Summer Skill Development - Jessen called attention to "Prettiest Pico ture In The Park" project, which he suggested might be a great project to be sponsored by PR & NR Com. and Historical, Cultural Com.. t c. Teen - Worts spoke to Sumner Work Program, and no change except in structure of how it is set up. ; Garens suggested that the program be advertised in the newspaper and that it is not limited to E.P. students. He also suggested that the teens make their preferences known as to what they would like to learn. Kruell suggested. projects which utilize teen efforts, such as making archery targets, for;which benefits derived could be in the form of an archery course. d. Ath.�tigs - previously discussed i` e. Beaches -Warts spoke to no changes except in Round Fake hours to be 12:00 to St00 PM, rather than 1:00 to 9t00 PM. $ Anderson asked about the status of Riley Lake. Jessen acid that public ~ access is currently available. C r Minutes - Parks, Rea. and Page Eight Natural Resources Commission approved April 1S, 1977 f. Teen Softb U - Previously considered. MDTIONt Kingrey moved to ap prove Summer Recreation Program as pre- sented. Kruell seconded, Motion carried unanimously. Upton asked about water quality of Bryant Lake. Jessen nded that a water quality study is being d ne and will receive report ewithin 30 days. Discussion on the limiting of the launching of power boats took place, ' and Anderson said he had rroceived favorable comments from landowners about the policy. He said he would like to see Bryant Lake open to !` the public because it is a public park, with Jessen explaining that the r Public Safety Dept. is opposed to it because of the difficulty in polioing. !i. 2. Balifield Inventory Jessen spoke to the memo of April 1, 1977 and to the need for more fields. MOTION: Garens moved to receive and file memo of April 1, 1977 on inventory of baseball fields, and to direct the Staff to consider the status of all Of these fields, and all of the fields completed at the end of the present ` season well in advance of next years season, so we can utilize all of our fields for next year!% play. Upton seconded, Motion carried unanimously. 3. Preserve Park Pl n C Chris Eager, City Landscape Architect, spoke to the 22 acres available at the Preserve, with high priorities for a large playing area, and for land- scaping/buffering. He said there was concern for how far $18,0�would go. He said the Staff recommends going as far as possible, •which would be mostly grading. Kingrey asked whether the plan would call for seeding of the ballfield and play this year. Eager responded that only the grading could be accomplished, but that a hockey and free ska*e rink could be put in for this winter. There was discussion on the timi within four n8_of the building of the school - possibly years according to school authorities; grading for the school - Eager said there was an agreement with the Preserve for a certain amount of fill. Kruell suggested eliminatiM this as a water storage area and eliminate run- Off immediately. Eager responded that they are considering a process pond to the SE in order to limit fill to be put into area. Kingrey inquired whether school representatives have reviewed the layout. Eager answered that the school staff was in on entire site plan. Anderson ruled that at 10t30 PM, they would either have a motion to adjourn or set a time limit. MDTIONt Kingrey moved to recommend approval of the plan to the City Council as proposed tonight. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Upton asked about parking,; Jessen replied that there would be temporary parking of 15 to 20 cars at the Center. MOTIONtAnderson moved to adjourn, Kingrey seconded, motion failed with Retterath casting the only °yay" vote. IV iff Minutes - Parks, Rao. and Page Nine Natural Resources Commission ,approved April 18, 1977 r 4. Flying Cloud Airport a a. Wolf Property, - not considered b. Tenals Courts - not considered 5. Round Lake Park a. 12668 & 1M LAIN gEMAg b. vision of Prop2x!ty Jessen spoke to the map indicating general placement of facilities scheduled for Round Lake Park Development this summer, and to the line aoress-•the site representing the proposed property division line, with the land south of the line to be that owned by the City and sub- ject to LAWCON Acquisition Funding slid restrictions. Anderson inquired why the division of property was necessary. Je+seen explained that it was critical in order to oubaait part of that site for LAWCON funding, subject to their restrictions, and with the jci4t powers agreement necessary to unify the site. Kingrey asked whether this involved the actual layout of the facilities. Jessen responded negative, and added that the Commission would have the opportunity to consider the actual layout at a later date. MTIONt Garens moved to recommend to the Council the four recommenda- tions outlined in the Staff Report of April 15,, 1977, with the under- standing that the layouts would be worked out later. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. G Jessen added, for clarification before the mote was taken, that the z road would go either around the site or directly through the site. 6. G.E.T.A. Funding Proposal Jessen spoke to the funding proposal involving park development and construo- tion, which he said was informational at this point. MOTIONS Carens moved to recommend to the Council that the City apply for C.E.T.A. funding, with implementation if approved. Kingrey seconded, motion carried unanimously. VIII. OI;g BUSIMS A. Pi l l sb r Jessen spoke to the map, presently being drawn up by City Attorney Perbix, showing the open space around the north part of the site, as consistent with the Blaeklock Nature Center at Anderson Lakes Park Concept Plan. We had been told that we would receive a map and draft agreement prior to the meeting, and prior to the meeting we had not received the map or draft agreement. We were led to believe from previous talks with Pillsbury that they would be in agreement with the 51acklock Mature Venter at Anderson Lakes Park Concept Plan. _ r i Minutes - Parks,-Rec. Page Ten and Natural Commission 'approved April 18, 1977 BDTI�s Carens moved to recommend to the City Council, that the Pillsbury Proposal be in conformance rd,th the Blacklock Nature Center at Anderson Lakes Park Concept Plan, and that the City Attorney should reserve final judgement based on the plan which he now has. Upton seconded, motion carried, wit abstaining. h Krutell Upon commented that she was favorably impressed by Pillsbury's presentation at the last meeting. I%. NEW BUSINESS A. Round Lake water level and fish status - Anderson Anderson pointed out that Round Lake has a serious, problems and asked why the pump wasn't used to put fresh water in to raise the level. Jessen responded that a permit is required from DNR, and will contact the Watershed District and DNR about that problem and about re-stocking of the lake.with fish. Be' , Purgatory/Riley Creek Valley Tour MOTIONS Garens moved to schedule meeting for the tour at 8s30 Saturday morning, April 23, 1977, and to meet at City Hall. Upton seconded, motion ( carried unanimously. X. AI)JO �AfE T Retterath moved to adjourn the meeting at 10:50 PM. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary