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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 01/27/1976 1976 JANUARY 5 ., 19,9 2 7 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, January 5 , 1976 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Geneva Middleton, Paul Choiniere , Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Brian Mikkelson, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to Begin Item 7:30 PM I- ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 15,,, 1975 MEETING 7:45 PM IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS l A. Letter from Mrs. Hilda Raguet i` B. Letter from Paul J. DeLeoour V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. 2 . B. Reports of Staff 8:00 PM 1. Purgatory Creek Open Space Corridor Study, 8:15 PM 2 . Investigation of Kucher Property Qh 4 8:30 3 . Development Proposals a. Condon Naegele Realty VI. OLD BUSINESS A. None ,1 Parks, Recreation & Natural -2- Mon. , Jan. 6, 1976 Resources Commission Approx. Time to VII. NEW BUSINESS Begin Item 8:45 PM A. Propsoed Funding of LAWCON Program for Fiscal Year 1977 - (Attach NRPA Memo) 9:00 PM VIII. ADJOURNMENT R . ;6pproved It MUTES f 1 PAPXS, RE,01MATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES 00I4USSION 1501JD Y, JANUAR'Y 5, 1976 7:30 PM CITY HALL 14F1,MERS PM.SENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Richard Anderson, Jerry Kingrey, Wolfgang Penzol, Geneva Middleton, William Garens, Francis Helmer.. and Steve Fifield, lax-Officio HENIBBR:a ABO)MIT: Elizabeth Tracy and Brian I;ikkelson STAIN j-,4F•9I3I RS PPJ SEN'T: Marty Jessen, Director of Community* Services OTHERS HESI.2.IT: Dan Hamilton, Tom Bartel, E.P. hews ry Chairman Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PId. II. l�Z� ' 'IiC,�V ]�,Ob' 1?C''•11T) Choiniere requested the addition of V. A. 1. Rcc7uest -for ntnndard si_zod nr.int for Cay , tit­ ;n " L Anderson requcs•,,:d addition of VII. C. Access to Bryant LakA Penzel moved to approve the Agenda, lipton seconded, motion carried. T12. !�I'PROl!AI OF MI1.1JTi,S OF DI.'CEMBER 15+ 19'71 Pago one; Sec. III, para. one, 2nd sentence; Add "an additional park site on the "island", after "for". Page four, para. one, Add "and transition" after "conservancy", add "and recog- nizing potential use for these lands" after "areas, add "specific" before 'tplan". i Choiniere moved to accept Minutes of December 15, 1975 meeting as amended, Fenzel seconded, motion carried, with Garens abstaining because of absence. Pr'!'TTTOI'J �R : lII'.S'PS car. gg.a•`.ZiIrf TIOIdS A. L,at,fer i_ro^� Ilr<�. IIil.d�, P�nuaht B. ]�c'i;i.r,t?_t•c�n I't1;�1. J ]�:I_r:covr Jesoen conriented that both lotte.rs were received from people who owned land in the Slunnybrook area and who hnd e:s-pressed concern for the cities considera- tion in in.plcmouti-ng t.ho Pur�:atory Creek Study. He said lie would advise them and forward thoIr lottors to the Council, unle.os other action was taken. MOTION ,�. hingroy movc(l to reoeivc and file l ottors from firs. 1111da Raquot and Paul. J. DaLoc:out, and 'to request that they be notified of the status of the: Purgatory Ovecik Study and nloo of pending action concerning their land. C�zoit�ie�•c} _oconded, motion carried. Minutes - Pnrks, Rec., and Page Two Natural Resources ,approved January 5, 1976 DISCUSSION Kingroy and Choiniere ware concerned with the notification of landowners of any action taken, including "absentee owners". Jessen said they would be notified of any land uses within a certain aree and of the public hearing on the Study. V. RE001M11- TDATIO13_S AND REPORTS A. IZeports of. Commis;loners k 1. Rueet :For >tnridard ri.zed_nrint felt Li.ty communicstl on s -Choi.nlero Choiniere=, requested that thoCity consider changing the, print size on its' coinsrunicntions because it was riot readable for the average eye. J' Penzol said it was used as an economic saving measure requested by the Council through budget review to be used especially for lengthy documents. V NOTION Choiniere moved that the Commission forward to the City Council its observations and request change in the size of type to that of the standard approved by the American Society of Optometry. Upton seconded, motion was defeated with a vote of 3-5-1- Upton - ttyay" Erickson - t'nay" Penzel- abstain Choiniere - "yaytt Garens - "nay" �.� Helmer - ttyay" Anderson - "nay" Middloton - "nay" Kingrey - "nay" DISC SSIOld It was suggested that both sides of the paper be used for reports.. Anderson directed the question to Jessea on whether using both sides conserved paper. Jesson responded that it involved-more time because of the need to run it back through the machine, and it also depended on how bit the project was. B. }�^r.�rt:g of Stuff . t i ; 1. lin CLitnr.Y C reelc On�n ,Qrnce Corridor Stud, Jecsen explained that they tried to look at each parcel separately; how big it was., what percentage was flood plain, what part was cvnsorvancy and transition zones that could be acquired, dedicated, or used as trade-off, and what lr.aid would have to be purchased. He used half-section maps to point out the areas discussod. Ile said there were substantial difforoncea � fxasn rto<si i:in of laist 12ovosnber, and that soma areas with houses or zoned industrltr.l were "factorocl out" because of tremendous cost, such as the } W, envetle as:-()a. Ile continued that the parcels were based on tax records, which is the only e.timato of vtzlue available to them at this time. 1` r Minutes - Parks, Rea, and Page Three r Natural Resources approved January 5, 1976 • J Purr��+Lor r Creels Opiate Sj5aca Corridor Study (Con'L1_(A Be said that flood plain and conservancy zone will not have to be purchased, j. but could be acquir©d through dedication. The estimated cost, based on tax records, for approx9mate'ly 600 acquired acres in $1.7 million dollars. " Choiniere asked whether pNaplo could build in the Itfactored out" areas. Jessen ft responded that they are already zoned 'ready--to-builds' lands, and that any , other raga lands could also be used. He added that the estimates are not final, Ihr s and that a real estate appraisal will be needed. I. .Anderson was concerned with the importance of getting this to the Metro Council. Jessen said it 1rould not have to be submitted to the Metro Council at this time. He added that the City Council has not had a regular meeting since the last Commission meeting, and that the ne::t scheduled meeting is an organizational meeting, therefore the Purgatory Creek Study is not on the Agenda. Mr. Dan Hamilton, 11995 11unnybrook Rd., said that he lives west of where the power line comes through and crosses Purgatory Creek, and that his house is fi 80 ft. from -the Creek. He continued that they wlere planning some e:cpansion of i their house this year, but after reading a copy of the Study, were concerned , about the exrsnsi.on if it was going to be acquired by the City in 2 or 3 years. Ile, requested the priority areas of acquisition and some idea of the time table. Jessen said that the City is at the point of concurrence as to the Plan, and that the Coirmiission is looking at poi,ential implementing tools of the Plan. Upton inquired ns to how many homes were in the conservancy areas. Jessen answered that there were from 8 to 10 homes from one end to the other. He added that some homes were not part of the Creek Valley and were "factored" out. He said a few were left in because of their placement by the Creek. Kingrey expressed concern with the fact that this question must have come up in the past many times when souicono is planning on spending money for improvements, and tho City is considering acquisition of their land. He asked whether an indepcndont appraisal would be made, and the improl*;.rents would be refloated in the price of pirechaae. Jessen said Improvement is added in the price of acquisi- tion-.. HaLdlton responded to the question of now soon they were planning on the expansion, which lie said was this year., and that the issue that was of Concern to many was the priority of areas, bectiuse lie felt acquisition program would follow the prior- ity. Choini©re questioned Hamilton about his feelinga on having trails close to their home. Hamilton responded that his location would not be very attractive if a recreation nrea was dovelopod hero and fo'lt his .property wou.Ld go "downhill', ra- pidly. rnother homeowner present requested that the City run off copies of the list of parcels so people could identify where they were. Minutes p Parks, Rec. and Page Four Natural Resources )approved January 5, 1976 Purantory Greek O.en Space Corridor St13dY _(C_onttcl) Funding sources were discussed, which included the Purgatory Creels Watershed District and Metro Council, with the possibility of a committment by this siumner. : Jessen said there is no co=uit•tment of Eden Prairie money at this time. Chairman Erickson addressed the homeowners present informing them that the Commission wDuld give them answers as soon as they could. 2. Cn�rc r�fi3_grgl:ion of Yucher Pronn=L_N: Jessen reported tha•u, in response to the request for more information on this property ,ride at the last mooting, he had talked -to Margaret Rogers and William Kucher and that' had informed him that Mrs. Julia Kucher, owner of rmtch of the land, was 77 years old and unable to pay the taxes and assessments on the property, and that the land would go for tax forfeiture this fall.. He explained that some of the land lies w:tuhin the Purgatory Creek Study and that the reraia- i hao sohnel potential for other recreational uses, however, it is inconsistent with the noigliborhood facilities study of 1974 which shows neighborhood playground on Deaver Propert- and on the large Purgatory Creek Flood Plain Section. Garens asked whether the City could acquire this and whether they would pay the back twxos. Jessen said that technically, the City can claim and acquire it. He added that it would be a suitable substitute for the other playground sites. C- ' Choiniere asked wlia•t consideration had been given the Deaver property for a recreation or nature park. he felt that this area would serve a great majority of poople in that area and was a definite amenity for the people.. Jessen said he has had a lot of discussion with the Attorney for the Deaver Property, and as soon as the reversion from Magmun band Co, back to Deaver is completed they would talk to us about it. T,n�TxaN Gareno moved to dolay action on Kucher property until action is taken on Purgatory Creek Study, and the Staff has the opportunity to discuss" the possibility of the Deaver Property area as a park, in conjunction with Eden Prairie and ldinetoulca in a joint venture. Tho motion was seconded by Holm r, w n ho withdrew his second. It was •hhr:ti seconded by Anderson. The I•lotion carried with Helmer casting -the , dissenting vote, bee-ruse he folt the Neighborhood Facility Study would adequately service the existing homes and did not feel we needed the additional land. 3. Dc,re'l�mrnt Proronnl.q a. Can!9on Nc� Plo R� 7 ty Jessen refGxrod to Idemo of January 5 informing Commission that their basic recorwieandation was the ncod for a Study to be done on the Nine Mile Creels Corridor, to be used as a tool for development review, whether it was Con- don Naegele or others. Minutes -- Paxks Roo. and Page Five -Natural Rosourcon t.!approved January 5, 1976 A. Condon N�.er*yC1.o Rrnly.t((Ion !d -1•CTI022 • Anderson m-)vod to recommend to the Council that we undertake a Study of a the -Nine I•iile Creek Corridor, to be undertnken by the Nines Mile Crook Watcr :h d Dist-ic•t, and contract the 1•Ie•tro Council on the Creek au per staff .r000r:vricrdation of January 5, 1W6, and to table the Condon Nsc Belo propova.l until Study has been comp'loted. Choiniere seconded, for the pctrpose of dioc av Aon. lotion carried by a J.' thoQe:who votede T)TS(IIISS roll Choiniey'a cor=gcaitod that it- was a question of whether what is happening ira -UIG vizklt W-ty .for that area,, considering' ne©cd for recreation :i,ri this pS!oao Pori el questioned the point of willing part of the flood plain an part of •thi;s ps°oliasa:l.. Middleton con-;idered the "J--are" of Eden Prairie, and did riot feel an auto paO, would pr.scent a favorable ono when built along one of the City's rain f'roeways coraing, into L.P.. lielmor disagx•esd and felt lie uotld rather have industry along the free-- *ay rather thrxi i!.s othor partn or: the City. Most an!�mbors felt that the possibility of the building of Pill sb:jr or C,:ecas Giant lio:u?;ua.r•'::ers wottld be it more desireablo use thaji an auto parl, for that area. .A.. I,ii.ni-'ai rig L Paul ChoinioVe Choinicro asl:c;d vb.at tho sta tun of the nini-rink was on the Deaver Property, and that. he vms diur:»pointcd that the rink was not flooded. Ile added that kids have bosh c'leLttai.n,r., up the rii*,. r.nd felt. there vac no porforn.nnr.e by the City. Jcnneu vespondad that: there hsvo boen problems t•.-Wh •ilxo lertoo niad :i,:�p�t:CL."ac3, raCIAbor of which was accept bl.e to tlx:;:Ix- Attorncy. They arc: naking pro rac:s and the differeuceo are being X.Cso1vc.d. A. , 7';�c no.�.:r cl f`t?.!^n:i.;,r• c,Lj.^,_,r0.1.,7'ra itn f•or_T''i.�nr.. Yfir.r _ Z Jcsnnn, ).11 rr.:Ccr?.'?.11? to Iicli.�o 01' Dc.co-mbor. 12, 1975, said it was for tho inforr"Iti.on of Co;rmi::,L;icl'n Lu.d n.;kc;d for farther question,. lie added that the aource:a of funcling, ;Tiro all oar narkod xlind;j, rather than incoano trk.c ' ftLttr�et. ' YOTTn21 ii o-T] .r movod to rccommond to tho City Council that we urCo continued %J I funding. Garens seconded, motion carried. :,ulapai•'b of the r.tlJ Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Six Natural Resources 1approved January 5, 1976 B. ByT,awn ---C�jg,t2m Constitution - Paul Choiniere Choiniere commented that he was concerned that decisions can be made without a sufficient quox"u- Be felt the ByLaws should, in effect, spell out what constitutes a quorum. The City Attorney's ruling on that question was not concurred with by Choiniere. It was pointed out that the ByLaws could be amended by notification to members before the meeting, and must have a favorable vote of a certain . number of members. MOTTOTI Choiniere moved to place on the Agenda for Jan. 19, 1976, a review of the ByLaws, what constitutes a quorum at the time of vote regarding Co=-Ission matters. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. C. Accc;,s to Rr.Y_int Lsl:e - Dick Anderson Anderson was concerned with access to Bryp-nt Lake. lie said last creek when kids were home, they vent through private property to gain access because the access wa.a blocked. Ile felt that since it is a public pant it should be open for use all. year. IIe added that there is no place to park and that the road is not maintained. Ericl.son said that what would happen is that care_ ` r would get stuck acid the City would be rosponsi.ble, and that it was a physical problem, Jessen said thi.c particular road is vory bad, and if you went off-it was nothing but dot�ahill on each side. Jessen added that the road would either have to be improved or it would have to be moved further East where the slope was not as pronounced. Anderson -uggested openirgthe gate and driving on the road at your own risk. Garons suggested that the Staff investigate the park for all year use. viii. I:P..TOUR]+�Tim' Choiniere noved to adjourn at 1.0:10 PAi, Kingrey seconded, motion carried. Submitted by, Donna Stasiloy Recording Secretary AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, January 19 , 1976 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Tim Pierce , Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Steve Fifield, William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, Geneva Middleton, Brian Mikkelson, Mary Upton COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services Approx. Time to E Begin Item 7:3 0 I. ROLL CALL II. ORGANIZATION A. Election of Chairperson �B. Election of Vice-Chairperson C. Bylaws - consideration of Quorum for the Conduct of Business. III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:45 IV. MINUTES OF JANUARY 5 ,1976;\ :MEETING V. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. None. B. VI. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS 8:00 A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Councilman Pierce 2. B. Reports of Staff 8:15 1. Investigation of Deaver Property 8:30 2. Recreation Activities a. 1976 COOLER b. Cross Country Ski Race Parks , Recreation & Natural -2- Mon. , Jan. 19/76 Resources Commission ' Approx. Time to i Begin Items 8:45 3. Development Proposals a. Maple Leaf Acres VII. OLD BUSINESS 9:00 A. Purgatory Creek Open Space Corridor Study 9:20 'sB. Parkland Dedication Requirements 9:45 C. Joint Meeting With Council VIII. NEW BUSINESS A. Guide Plan Update B. 10:00 IX. ADJOURNMENT i d . -approved ' M I N U T E S PARES RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES 001'24ISSTON 1ADNDAk, JAT1`Jt ll3Y 1% 3.976 7:30 PM 01TY BALL 1,g,BFRS PRE9124Ii': Chairman Marvin Fxickson, Tim Pierce, i Paul Choini.ere, lyil.liam Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry King.;rey, Geneva Middleton, Diary Upton, and Stev'o F ifi eld MEIiMMZ 3 9.BSE21T: Richard. Anderson and Brian 1.1.ikkelson �� .> Dlur•t Jessen Director of Corrmnznity Services .alAFi� 1,104BERS PRi,.�E11T: Y s Sandy Worts, Recreation Supervisor OTHERS PIILSKIT: D:ayor Penzel, Tom Bartel, E.P. News, Va.. & Y,rs. Rusty Irvine, and Dunne Hookrura Chairman Ericicson called the meeting to order Ft 7:30 11-1. iiptoiL sugg os'tponin-- II. OItGX-[IZ.kT10J1 until latter- pert of the meeting. y III. APPROVAL OF A=?ID!1 Addition of VITI. B. U,_dn.te on rn orinla flr� F�1•n�ser Sc igo�l_ ueanle by Jessr'n. t? �-':..M— k Additi.on of VIT. D. 1.1•ini-Rinlcs by Choiniore ' Addition of V. A. >�,,.yo Penzel. F' :c Pierce mov-od to approve the Agenda, Kingrey seconded, motion carried. IV. 1,4I11I1 F-S OI J A IUARY, L 6 I.M;FT F Pago 4., pf;ra. 5, last sentence, Delete "diversion", add "reversion from Magnum Land � t; Go. back to Deaver". r Page 6, prra. 6, Delete "poop].o", add "cars". . Ghoinlere moved to accept Minutes of January 5, 1976 Meeting as amended. Upton i. seconded, notion carried. V. YETITI011S• '�UESTS 111ll CUl f1'11Td1:C�1'.CiU13S f ,Y n T4a�*nr P 1-12:1 Mayor Penzol addressed the CoMna,s^ion, A, nking; thew for serving on the Coj,uai -)ion the last year and for xnal:inr; thEmael.vcs available for re-appoint- ment for the coming year, and that lie felt they were irnki.no v ry worthirhilo cont•ibii-ti.ons to t),o City and the tii:'o spent in carrying; on the business of t1le Cor'enission vis very :rueh cxpprociated. lie addcac. that a joint manting with thcs Cotxnc+il lsus l:c:en notup for 6a30 1'II, :January �7, for the purpose of dic-- cussion, rs):d ho encouraged 'thew to brine; their co:-,cevnq, both individur�lly or. as a body. Minutes - Parks, Recreation Page Two and Natural Resources iapproved January 1.9, 1976 VI. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Reports of Commissioners 1. Councilman fierce Pierce reported that the Council authorized PR & NR Staff to make purchase agreements for the Bryant Lake Properties-Horak for $?116,000, and the Brun Parcel on an option agreement of 0223,000, with ldetro funds being used to complete Bren Parcel. Upton asked about access to Bryant Lake, when second parcel was acquired. k Jessen responded that a new road and better park development schemes will be available. He added that the Council agreed with the Commission's position and that actual purchase will take place in 1977. B. Reports of Staff 1. Investi ration of Deaver Pronertv Jessen reported that the reversion from Magniun Land Co. back to the Deavers was ,�� completed and that a mini-rink lenso has been secured. He said it was jointly owned by the Deavers and a Trust Co. located in Miami., Florida, C~ and are represented by a local legal firm. He continued that Mr. Cook, the legal reprosentative, expressed interest to sell all or part of the land as soon as possible. He said it is a beautiful resource within our a community and has a lot of recreation potential,, and that he has not been able to talk with Mr. Wilson from Hopkins-Minnetonka as of yet but will have contacted him by the next meeting. Choiniere felt that, based upon the Motion which referred to Minnetonka, the Staff should direct their efforts toward Minnetonka, rather than Hopkins. Garens commented that the intention of his Motion was to communicate -with a legal body. MOTION hingrey novcd to table the Deaver Property issue until we have more infor- mrtion. fierce seconded, motion carried, with Choiniere casting the dissent- ing vote. DISCU:SSIOPi Choiniere was concerned with the unanswered questions such as the situation with the Trust Co., and whether there was a possibility of a gift to the City, and folt more specifics were needed. Helmer added as a point of information, that only 19-20 aores are being i considered, rather than all of tho land. Jessen said he would look into the Trust arrangement and all of the othor questions involved, although he felt it may be premature until we have docidod to acquire the land. Minutes - Parlcs, Rea. and �, Page Three Natural Resources Com. )approved January 19, 1976 l 20 Recreational Activities. a. �.976 COOLER N b. Cyro,L� Countr. Ski Races k Choiniere asked why the COOLER was free while the Ski Race had entry fees. Jessen responded that historically, the COOLER has always been a free event, �w while the Ski Race event presents awards and trophies, which cost from $50 to �60. Choiniere inquired as to the cost of rental of the ice. Werts answered that the " cost is 045 per hour, with total cost of $180. MOTION Choiniere moved to approve the COOLER. and Ski Tour Racing,, with both events at no cost to the citizens of Eden Prairie and their families. Motion died for lack of a second. ' Worts added that the Ski Race was budgeted at a cost in the approved budget, and it was to generate revenue and pay for itself. In response to a question on whether outsiders would be accepted, Worts said I that E.P. residents mainly would be encouraged, but that outsiders would be accepted. She added that there have been about 10-15% outsiders in the past. C_ Upton was concerned about the timing of the Hockey Exhibition, about which �a many complaints had been received. Kingrey commented that- the COOLER started out very slowly last year, and suggested working the Hockey Exhibi.•tion into the a first part. Participation ribbons were discussed for the Ski Tour Race and generally agreed to be a desiroable precedure, and the elimination of entry.fees for children 15 yrs. old and under .was suggested by Helmer. 140TION Helmer moved to approve Memo of January 16, 1976, with the exception that children 15 yrs. and under be admitted free to the Ski Tour Race. YiYngrey seconded, motion carried, with Choiniere casting the dissenting vote on the basis that the entire Ski Tour Racing should be free. 3. prrclormont Pro,Lvsals �pp a. *Maple Leaf Acres U Jessen coriunented on the Proposal, stating that Irvine has eliminated the ohcroachment in the flood plain completely, and that the Staff recommenda- tion of what makes the most sense would be to acquire all of the land within the conservancy zone, but this solution is not very realistic at this point. lie folt that the plan now is fairly acceptable for develop- went, but that the area designated as the drainage easement instead be Minutes -Parks, Rec. and Page Four CNatural Resources Com. Approved January 19, 1975 ' p a. Maple Leaf- Acres (Cont'd) r dedicated to the City as an outlot, that lots 10 & 11 of Block 3 be dropped from the plat, and each lot should be subject to the $300 a , park dedication fee. pp f ' Irvine, developer for Maple Leaf Acres, said they had no qualms about moving lot lines in question and could change drainage easement to dedication. He also felt that lot 11 could be worked out. He added that they were f: within the Watershed District's guidelines. Mrs. Irvine commented that in Lots 21 and 22 of Block 1, better maintenance t` was possible with private ownership. G Pierce wanted it to be known that he had talked to the Irvines last summer about their proposal, and felt the Commission should be aware of a this to avoid conflict of interests. The moving of lot lines was discussed in detail in order to accomodate j City requirements. Irvine was also agreeable to the $300 per lot park dedication fee, since it was City policy. MOTION Kingrey moved to accept the preliminary plat of Maple Leaf Acres as presented 4 . to the Commission on January 19, 1976; moving the south line of lots 21 & 22, Block 1 to the north, in accordance with Staff and owner's planning review; K including whatever might be done with Lot A, in accordance with that move; de- leting lot 11, Block 3 from the plat; and including $300 per lot for park dedication fee as recommended by the Staff. Garens seconded the motion. Garens withdrew his second. z r DISCUSSION Garens asked what advantages and disadvantages would be in easement vs. Y ' dedication. Jessen responded that in dedication, the City would have the right to use that land for trail corridors etc. and would also have to maintain it, while the problem with easement is the difficulty in determining both the owner's rights and the City's and they are both limited. Helmer said he could support the Staff recomendation for a motion, and was opposed to the motion not including the dropping of lot 10 from the plat also. MO_ TION Kingrey moved to accept the preliminary plat of Maple Leaf Acres as presented to the Commission on January 19, 1976; moving the south line of lots 21 & 229 Block 1, to the north, in accordance with Staff and owner's planning review; including whatever might be done with Lot A in accordance with that move; de- leting lot 11, Block 3 from the plat; including $6300 per lot park dedication fee as recommended by the Staff; and those portions of lots 1, 2, 3, & 4, Block 2 denoted on the plat as drainage easements, are to be dedicated to the City for pubic use. Garens seconded, motion carried, with Helmer casting the dissent- ing vote and Pierce abstaining. Minutes — Parka, Rec. and Page ridve Natural Resources Com. approved January 19, 1976 VII. OLD BUSTNL'SS A. Pnrnatory Creels Onen Spaco Corridor St,vdY i i Jessen informed the Commission that the City Council had considered their recommendation for adoption of the Study, and they have asked for further discussion by the Commission and a recommendation from the Commission with regard to priorities for implementation along the Creek Corridor. He added that the public hearing will occur sometimes in March. Choiniere commented that when the Cozruiission voted to accept the study, it was the concen•L only, and that prioritio,s were not designated. He added 'that at that time priorities would not be stated until the time came to do something with �+ the land, and we do not have the input to make these decisions yet. Pierce, stating that he Mould try to preface feelings of the Council., but t' that it was mostly his own opinion, questioned intention of the Commission's recommendation, an to what sections of the Creek are of more benefit than others and whether when someone comes in and wants to buy or develop, does this become a priority. +' Choiniere said one of t'ne reasons that he voted for this plan was that it was to be used as a guide. Be felt it was a study of the conservation of S° �. the linear greenway and anything else is suggested uses and is subject to t change from day to day. Upton felt that if what the Council was asking for was the Commission's feelingsabout priorities in purchase and development of land at this time, with the ncknowlegement of the fact that these priorities can change, than she felt this could be accomplished. Jessen added that what the Council is requesting are general priorities based on the planner's resource analysis and that from the date we started the 'Study, pressures have sprung up all over. He said he would provide information about the preosures that are happening at this time. f B. Piifk1,nnd Dedication Requirements � Jes;joa informed the COL,"mission that the Council had some questionsabout the recommended Part; Dedication Fee formula, which was based upon the per person approach, and asked for more discussion by the Commission. is Pi-c-tce questioned who would decide the number of people per unit. Jessen h rt:innonded that this is L•he problem the Council foresees. Ghoi.niere commented that he 7111cal the idea of working on density, because we are getting heavy density i.n areas Whr!re we d�.dn't expect it. The different appronchen were discussed from both the City and developers' point of•view. It was suggested that the developers would like the $300 r Mimites - Parks, Rec. and Page Sir. Natural Resources Cone, approved January 19, 1976 � B. Pnrklnnd Dedication Requirements Con 'd per 1. .+,- _ide•.z. be.)cauee it is very direct and straightforward, and the buyers would know exactly where this money was going. �. Pierce asked at what time �-m* ld the money be spent for these improvements. t Jessen responded that probably when 50% to 60% of the residents are present, a bond .might be issued to finance the facility development and repaid as tho remaining; users occur. lie added that there is a possibility of bonding n sosno improvemonbn in anticipation of revenue. " Jessen responded to further questions from Picrco regarding whether this a .would be decided at eaoh de�elol:anen•t, and whether the fee would still be collected for onbuildnble land. lie said it would be up to the Council's discretion, and that as far as collecting for unbuildable land, this is a policy decision they ;should ms.ke tonight or at next meeting. lie added thnt he would nrmilyzo those questions ana present at the next meeting. C. Joint MLetLirrr With Covncil� Scheduled for. Tuesday, January 27 at 6:30 PM, to precede regular scheduled Co»ncil moeti-r_g which begins at 7:30 P14. 1). 141:7i-Ri'xi-V a Chu:Lr i o Choi.niore inquired as to siz.o of mini-rinks. Jessen said they try for 100t by 1001 . Choiniere asked whether the rink could be made larger if the neighborhood kids would clear it. Thiano Fookum, ,mr•kinrp for the City flooding rinks etc., said they could flood It if it were cleared, and that the reason it was so hard to clear was that onoirnobilors lied used soma of it and packed the snow. Jessen felt that flooding ct larger area would not be a problem. Upton left meeting at 9:55 PM- NEW BU S71I1�35 y 1,. -411-di�'l.nn_UEint(. Jn.aaen handed out forms for Forum scheduled on Thursdtxy, Feb. 5 at Voc-Technical School and renucsted U'Lat .,:Crber s return to Brauer. Forms were received by: Erickson, It Ki.nE;re-, Gare.ns, 11olraer, Chointere, Pierce, and Middleton. U. OR,MP1,17?16TION A. 'L(znUo of Eri ck.^ter. wa:; nor,inat••i.d foi• tho office of Chairporson by Kingrey and seconded by Garens. The vote was unanimous in re-electing Brickson for Chair-person. l Minutes - Parks, Rec. and Page Seven Natural Resources Com. .approved January % 1976 II. ORGANIZATION (CONT'D) B." Election of Vic©-Chaizperso bpton was nominated for Vice-Chairperson by Helmor and seconded by Garens. Garens was noininated for Vice-Chairperson by Kingrey and seconded by Middleton. After no further nominations, they were declared closed by Chairman Erickson. A vote was taken by ballot and Garens was elected Vice-Chairperson. C. Bg aws - consideration of Quorum for the Conduct of Busines Jessen responded to question raised by Choiniere at the last meeting about what happens after a quorum is once established by referring to copy of letter received from City Attorney Perbix, April 22, 1975, in which he stated his opinion on the matter, and also referring to the Robert's Rules of Order. The City Attorney's opinion was that once a quorum is established, business can continue to be conducted so long as no one raises the question about a quorum or Lack of-it. Choiniere stated his opinion that as a .Commiesion we are here to serve and represent the people, and when a vote is taken, there should be more than a few people present to take action. He felt that as a general rule, a quorum should exist at the time of vote. C .lessen said there are nine members, with five constituting a quorum. lie added that youth members do not count as a quorum, but do have full voting privileges. 140TION Middleton moved to call the question to amend the Bylaws at the next meeting, with notification of members of this proposed action'. Garens seconded, motion curried unanimously. Jessen added, as a point of order, that it takes a favorable vote of 7 to. amend the Bylaws. TX. ADJOTtRT'INNT_ Helmer roved to adjourn the meeting at 10:20 PM, Middleton seconded,-_and motion carried. Submitted by, Donna Stanley Recording Secretary i MINUTES JOINT COUNCIL, PARKS , RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 27, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT COUNCIL: Mayor, Wolfgang Penzel, Joan Meyers, Sidney Pauly, Tim Pierce PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION: Chairman , Marvin Erickson, Bill Garens, Geneva .Middleton, Jerry Kingrey STAFF PRESENT: Roger Ulstad , City Manager, Marty lessen, Director of Community Services Mayor Penzel called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. Mayor Penzel opened the meeting for general discussion and asked that it remain informal so as everyone would have an opportunity to comment on the various issues to be raised. Chairman, Erickson raised several questions with regards to the need for recreational improvements in the community. Following is a summary of the questions and the general discussion which took place with regards to each. Question 1:Is there a need for recreational improvements .? General agreement on the part of all present that additional park and recreation areas and facilities are needed in the community. Question 2:Does the Council feel that the Commission has a handle on the needs, and does the Council see any additional needs ? The Council Members expressed general concurrence in the need for those items included in the previous question 1 from the Recreational Improvement Program Referendum of 1975 . Question 3:Is a Bond Issue the way to finance a program to meet the needs and what other alternative .techniques might be considered ? The Council advised the Commission that there were no other alternatives available within the financial abilities of the City, stating that the general fund will not provide adequate monies for recreational improvements. Question 4 :What is a reasonable time for impletmenting a program of imrovements. General discussion took place centering around the possibility of having another referendum this spring or if not probably having to wait until after the tenatively proposed School Referendum which will take place this fall. Geneva Middleton o reported that the School Board was considering approximately a $8 million dollar Bond Issue which might include a swimming pool facility. _2_ Should neighborhood meetings be held now to develop the program or later to promote the Bond Issue ? The general consensus of the Council was that meetings should be held now to be sure that the proposal responds to the communities perceived needs , and also prior to the vote to make sure that all the citizens are well informed on the issues. How does the Bond Issue interface with the Guide Plan Update and should a proposal wait until after the update is completed ? The consensus of the general discussion was that a Park Bond Referendum does not necessarily have to wait until after the Update of the Guide Plan because a great amount of study has previously occurred on the needs and the program which the Guide a Plan Update will not overturn. Question 5.,Does the Council have any feel for how large a Bond Issue and how many questions ought to be asked ? General discussion on this matter was that one question including all elements of a park program would probably have the best possibility for passage. .General sentiment was expressed supporting - question one of the 1975 Referendum as having been well thought out and planned a'nd hoped that the upcoming proposal would look very much like the previous proposal. It was also agreed that final form of any Bond Issue would not be determined until after the citizen input is first solicited and received. C_ The meeting adjourned at 7:20 p.m. r