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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 05/19/1975 1975 MAY .5 , 19 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, May 5, 1975 7:30 p.m. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, Dorothy Bennett, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Elizabeth Tracy, Brian Mikkelson, Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF APRIL 21 , 1975 MEETING. MINUTES OF APRIL 10, 1975 JOINT COUNCIL/PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING. II. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Mayor David W. Osterholt - Presentation B. Letter from Nine-Mile Creek Watershed District concerning funds available for cooperative projects. �y C. Letter from Harlan Perbix, City Attorney concerning quorum for conducting Commission business. III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. Round Lake Park Building Improvements - Shu-le-wa-ah-wat Campfire Girls B. Community Theater Program Report -- Attached C. Development Proposal Review 1. Preserve Plat Two - Reminder: Please bring Preserve Commercial Plan Books. 2. Preserve Area G 3. Olympic Hills 4. Parkview Patin Apartments IV. ADJOURNMENT i .i ",•..,approved M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COM•IISSION MONDAY, MAY 5, 1975 7:30 P11 CITY HALL C01111ISSION MUMERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Balmer, Richard .Anderson, Dorothy Bennett, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, and Steve Fifiel.d, Ex-Officio C01474CSSION I,MMERS ABSENT: Elizabeth Tracy and Brian Mikkelson STA1 I-MI9BERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services OTHERS PRESENT: Steffanie Conley, E.P. News, Michele Anderson, Debbie Donovan, Brenda Kuglin, Darla Thoen, Cheryl Korbel, Wendy Solberg, Diane Dale, and Bette Anderson, Leader of Campfire Girl. Group, Mr. & Mrs. Duane Korbel, Don Hess, Preserve, Terry Egrgan, and Loran Galpin, Developement Concepts Inc. Chairman Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:30 PM. I. MINUTES OF APRIL 21, 1975 1• ET11-M / Pg. 2, Para. 5, Insert "Kingrey seconded and the motion carried unanimously." ` It " 12 5, , ss u swimmingn after "drop". 11 5., Ins-art "B."' at bottom of page before "MOTION". Choiniere felt the .1.975 Beach Operations needed more discussion and asked Jessen to include in Agenda of next meeting. Garens called for a point of order and pointed out that Choiniere had not been at the last meeting and that the issue had been discussed and acted upon. Erickson ruled that the point of order be accepted. Upton moved to accept the minutes of the April 21, 1975 meeting as corrected. Bennett seconded and the motion carried, with one abstention by Choiniere. MINUTE'S OF APRIL 1-0� 12Z5 JoTNT_COUi1CIL/PARI: & REC. COT-VISSION I• -,s,ING Choiniere moved to approve the minutes of the April 10, 1975 Joint Council./Park & Roc. Cosmnission meeting, which had been approved by the Council.. Penzel seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Chrsirrru n Erickson sugrRc:;stcd that since Mayor Osterholt was not yet present, they would. move to the Round 1,a3te Park Building Improvements presentation by the Campfire Girls. II. REC01,21 MATIONS AMID PJTORTS A. Bound Lake P,,g± nuilcli.nn Improvements _ Shu-le-wa-ah-writ Cnmp£i.r4 Girl The girls presented their ideas on the improvement of the 11teon center".. They had studied the building and suggested repairs and prices for repairs i i tapproved Minutes - P«rk & Rec. Page Three Commission May 5, 1975 CA. Round Lake Pnrk B1dc7 Improvements - Shu -le-wa-ah-wat Campfire Girls Contt Bennet inquired t in uired about the fireplace mantle. Bette Anderson answered that Mr. Earls felt it could be fixed very easily. MOTION Garens moved to express our appreciation to the Campfire girls to brink; this to our attention with a study well done. Choiniere seconded and the motion carried unanimously. B. Community Theatre Proarnm Report Jessen said the Voc-Tech school would be willing to give this a trial ' shot and would provide for the use of the .facility at a reduced rate for rehearsals and the going rate for the performances. Someone imuld ' have to be available for running the sound booth, clean-up etc. The charge would be 40150 to *200 per performance. Upton commented that she had called both Chanhassen and Bloomington and both cities were not in community theatre. Their theatres were run by patrons or private groups. " Jessen asked Eggan to comment on this. Eggan said cities do not always start their theatres, but it can be an independent thing. He said he approached Sandy Werts and wanted to offer one of the flarts"to E.P., which he felt -the City was lacking in. Since they had no facilities themselves, he came to the City to add enrichment to their program. Bennettinquired about E.P. high school. Jessen said it could be used but the schedules conflicted. Eggan added that if we were to use the high school., we would have to break up the schedule to coordinate with their schedule. He felt this was not a good idea because it would break the continuity of the season, plus having to spend more money for advertising. Bennett disagreed and said she felt that they should try it one season. Garens suggested looking into availability of Forest Hills or Prairie View or even something in surrounding communities on a temporary basis. Eggan said he had not checked the elementary schools, but felt they may, have same related schedule at the high school. Upton said she would like to see a community theatre in Eden Prairie, but felt we do not have enough money to go to Voc-Tech, and if schools would not work out she couldn't see how they could go ahead with it. � Choiniere asked Eggan if he had approached the Chamber of Commerce. Eggan answered no. Jessen added that if there was a feeling in the comumu,mity for such a theatre, he wondered if sponsorship should be solicited as t;uggosted by Choiniere. Kingrey questioned the fact that the audience would have to look up to the stage at the i9ja .school. 't`approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Four , Commission May 5, 1975 B. Community Theatre Proryram Report (Conttd)_ MOTION Garens moved to,table Community Theatre question until a further report is submitted by Eggan and Jessen regarding the problems dis- cussed. Kingrey seconded and the motion was defeated with al';show of handy° vote of 5-4- Eggan commented that they could not wait two more weeks for a summer production. MOTION Choiniere moved to accept in concept the community theatre and support the group in their soliciting efforts making community theatre opera- tive, and provide non-financial assistance by Staff. Upton seconded and motion carried unanimously. III. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COIT.UNICATIONS A. jj or David W. Osterholt - 1-resentation Mayor Osterholt addressed the CoMisaion for two reasons. The first was to officially tell the Commission that the Council and Community appreciates the work the Commission does. He coi:nented that disagree- ment is a healthy sign. Ile does not feel that the Commission has to be unanimous in its positions. The second reason was regarding the bond issue. He invited the Commission •to attend a Council_ meeting this ~f- Thursday at 7:30 PI4 at City hall to add input on the issue. The Mayor said the Council supports in concept the programs submitted. He did feel that the swimming pool question should be looked at because it rated so high on the League of Women Voter Survey. He requested some figures on an outdoor swimming pool. Another question was whether it should be 1, 2, or 3 parts. Osterholt felt the timing was right, although he said he didn't feel that way at first. lie thanked them again for all their hard work. Garens said we are aware of limitations of Round Lake and agreed that the Commission should give it some thought and felt there still was enough time to look into swimming pool question. He requested that Jessen check with Freserve Home Owners Assoc. about feasibility of declining use of their outdoor facilities. Choiniere felt the concept of an outdoor pool is destroyed when you, enclose it, and still feels it should be connected with the school. I+fayor Osterholt asked each member to think of ways of reducing expendi- tures and share it with the Council Thursday night. Ile also asked them to think about formulating what should be the right type of land acquisition in the future and whether we are getting the right kind of trade-offs. I Choiniere asked whether there would be any guidelines for dirstanees for tot lots etc. and feels it is waste of time to even consider them until there are some guidelines. Osterholt said Jessen would have recommendation on this. 1 , I . _ r :approved Minutes - Park & Rcc. Page Five Commission May 5, 1975 B. Letter .from Vine-Mile. Creek Watershed Di-strict concerning funds available for cooperative projects. Jessen suggested pollution control around the Equestrian Center. He said the water quality of Bryant Lake is under study and to retain water control or better waste disposal was desirable. Gar.ens suggested preserving slopes as something to consider. Penzel added that they may want' to consider recommending to the Council a Slope Ordinance. Discussion followed regarding desirability of a slope ordinance. MOTION Anderson moved to have Staff prepare a Slope Ordinance - and upon approval of Commission,recormuend it to the I;ouncil. Choiniere seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Anderson suggested that the water level could be maintained at Forest Hills in the Topview area, with a darn for water control and ; wildlife to be brought in. Jessen agreed that this was a good idea and that a plan should be developed for this purpose. MOTION Garens moved to appoint a sub-committee to study the Nine Mile Creek and Riley-Purgatory Creek, and work with the Watershed Districts and Jessen to see what could be done regarding this letter, and report back to the Commmission within 6 to 8 weeks. Menzel seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Chairman Erickson asked for volunteers, with Garens, Anderson, and Penzel responding to work on the sub-Committee. C. Latter from En rlan Porbix. City Attorney concerning ouorurn for con- ducting Commission business DiOTION_ Choiniere moved that the letter from Perbix be put into proposed Ordinance and Bylaws. Upton seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Penzel said the Council has been informed of the proposed Ordinance but has not been placed on Agenda. The Commission would continue to � operate under the old Ordinance and Bylaws. Jesson added a point of information. He said the Ordinance has to be approved, then Bylaws should reflect what is contained in Ordinance. RECOT-VRIDATIO]dS AND RF.]'ORTS (CONT!D) C. Dovolorment Prohos'al. Review 1. Proserve Plat; Two, Arcns A,C,D Mr. Loran Galpin presented the Preserve Plat Two to the Commission. Discussion of scenic easements followed. ,)'� approved Page Six Minutes - Park & Ree. May 5, 1975 Commission C. Uevol.opment Prol)osnl. Review 1. Preserve Y'lst Two (Cont'd) Choiniere asked about water treatment, "salt and chlor.dic specifically. askedGalpin answered that the Nine Mile Watershed District dictates how this is to be handled. They would meet the standard presently set, and work with Barr Engineering and the Watershed District to insure clean water in Anderson Lake. Choiniere questioned the bikeway/bikeway paths. Galpin said the inten- sity of the development determines when there is a need for the paths. Jessen referred to the Staff '.:c�port recommendation of May 5, 1975 concerning the trails. Choiniere asked what type of barrier they were considering as an ade- quate wildlife barrier. Galpin answered that it would be a combination of earth forms with thorny plantings. He added that a small fence behind the planting would keep the domestic animals out and would not be visible. He emphasized that they wanted to make the barrier as natural as possible. MOTION " Choiniere moved to accept the Reconunendation as outlined in Staff Report of Play 5, 1975 for Plat Two, areas B,G, and D. Helmer seconded and the motion carried unanimously. c, 2. Preserve Area G Galpin presented Preserve Area G to the dommission commenting that .fill would be needed for any type of development in the future. He said the oak trees on the site would be preserved. Jessen suggested that the Commission review it with our only concern being the minimizing of grading and consideration of bike trails. MOTION Helmer moved to approve recommendation of Staff Report of May 5, 1975, regarding grading and bike trails. Choiniere seconded and the motion carried unanimously. 3. 01=19 Rills Jessen referred to Staff Report of May 5, 1975, regarding development phase approval of part of the land. Choiniere asked what they have planned in the way of recreational facili- ties. Jessen said they had none, except for the golf course and club house. He added that the area would have 100 townhouses and 18 apartments. Ilolmer asked where the closest community recreational facilities were. Jessen saxid across from devolopment is a play facility. r 1,. AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, May 19, 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingren, Elizabeth Tracy, Brian Mikkelson and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF MAY 5, 1975 MEETING . II. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from State DNR concerning Eden Prairie's compliance with Flood Plain Standards. B. Notice of MRPA Board/Commissioners Section Tour -- Thursday, June 26 - Dick Anderson C . Invitation to tour Homart's Eden Prairie Center -- Thursday, May 22, 5:45 PM. (Meet at the Center) III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. MAC Study of Flying Cloud Airport -- (Attached: Summary of study, E.P.A.A. Memo, Staff Report) . B. Equestrian Center Lease -- Status Report C . Mobile Playground Unit -- Staff Recommendation (Attached: Staff Report). D. Development Proposals 1 . Parkview Apartments 2. Olympic Hills IV. DISCUSSION \ A. Beach Fens - Paul Choiniere 6 V. ADJOURNMENT. 11.approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Seven Commission May 5, 1975 3. Olympic Hi1).s (Cont'd)_ MOTION Choiniere moved to turn down the Staff Report on Olympic Hills until we receive from the developers a plan showing where the recreational facilities will be located in his development and a sampling of the type of recreational and leisure activities to be provided. Penzel seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Jessen asked the Commission members how they felt about "cash in lieu of land" dedication of r'25,000. , Choiniere didn't feel it was enough, as did some of the other members. Jessen said it was based on a sliding scale according to the unit and on the number of users. He wanted to test the theory and use as a future guide9 and felt they should adopt a formula to apply equally'. Staff was directed to continue modifying formula to arrive at figure for cost assess.. �. Parkview Patio Anartments" Parkview Patio Apartments would be located south of the Atherton Apts.p off of Mitchell and Scenic Heights Roads. XOTIGN Kingrey moved to- table the Parkview Patio Apartments, with the opportunity for review in the future. Helber seconded and the motion carried unanimously. IV. AUJOURWENT Kingrey moved to adjourn at 11:00 PM. Anderson seconded and the motion carried. MJ:ds SMapproved M IN U T E S C EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION CO101ISSION MONDAY, MAY 1% 1975 7:30 PM, CITY HALL CO1-01ISSION I•72dBERS PRESIZIT= Vice-Chairwoman Mary Upton, Wolfga.rgPenzel, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Jerry Kingrey, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio C0101ISSION 1,04BERS ABSENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Francis Helmer, Elizabeth Tracy, and Brian Mikkelson STAFF I+II: MERS PRESKIT: Marty Jossen, Director of Community Services OTIILRF; PRESEITT: Gene Moore, E.P. News, 'Jack Ov-!ck, of architectural offices, Michael G. Bennett, architectural off. Meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Vice-Chairwoman Mary Upton. I. MINUTE-, OF MAY 197L?'-sTIhG PG. 3,. la.st para., Delete "high" 'insert "elementary"; delete °arid also the comfort of the seats there." PG.S, Para. 3, Delete "to be brought back to the Commission in i month, and at that tune :re will" insert Wand upon approval of Commission," after C 'Slope Orainance". PG. 5, Para. /,, .Delete "ducks, beavers, etc.." insert "wildlife') PG. 7, Para. 4, Add "Staff was directed to continue modifying forr-r.ula to arrive at figure for cost assess-nent." after "equally." Anderson moved to accent minutes.as•corrected. . Kingrey seconded and motion carried unanimously. II. PETI`.CIOIiS. REQUESTS A10 COi•n IT-11ICATIONS A. Lettor from Surato, D"T, concerning, Eden Prairie's s comnliance with F70dd 711: 1.n Stn. 7rdc Choin:i.cro moved to accept this letter and file in our records.. Bennett seconded, motion carried unanimously. Anderson asked whether there was a problem with the City regarding; Chapter 10/+. Jessen responded there is no major problem concerned here. B. Notice of MRPS Section Tour r Dich Anderson i Anderson extended the invitation to Commission members to attend Spring; Bohr.d/Cormi ssi.oners tour to be hold on June 20, at 1:30 PId. Ile explai.nod that the 111TA held throe meetings per year. Ile felt this a ' i Mpproved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Two Commission May 19, 1975 .B. Notice of IdRPA Board/Corarissionors Section Tour (Cont1d) particular meeting; was eapecially appropriate to us at this time because it is a"facility type" tour, starting; from the Columbia Heights Fieldhouse and ending; at Whitney Eastman Mature Center in. Elm Creek Park Reserve. The discussion after dinner will focus on 1975-76 legislative concerns and inter-community trails. Jessen requested that any interested Commission members phone in their reservations to City Hall. C. InvJ.tation to tour homart's Eden Pr.airic Center Jessen extended invitation to Commission members to tour Homart's Eden Prairie Center on `19zllrsdsLy, Iday 22, at 5.45 YII.. The presentation would bring; every- body up to date on what was happening there. The meeting; place would be 'tile Center. D. Presentation -bv_Architect for I?ound Like Pavi.11.ion . ArchitQet Jack Ovick presented "first phase" proposals for proposed $15,000 picnic pavillion at Round Lake, to be funded jointly by Lions Club and City. lie requested input from Conuni ssion members as. to what they would like to see,. Ovick told the members thnt the 'i-�ain purpose of the pavillion, arrived at after receiving input from various parties concerned, was to provide a main structLire to be used for pi-+nics, dances, band concerts, and plays. It would act as a focal point for the park and should be de t-d-gned -Ath this is mind. He out- lined project requirements consisting of suncover, hard survace floor, kitchen, -, storage areas, and men and women's toilets. Site was pinpointed as bordered by tennis courts and parking;• lot, and is relatively flat. Estimated range of budget to cover 1500 sq. feet for the suncover, basic wall, footings and foundation, toilets, kitchen, and storage. Concrete floors, doors, framos, i equipment, electrical, mechanical, plumbing 'or ventillation are not included in that fi.grure. Future proposals would include electrical service, power and lighting, mechanical pliimbingr, kitchen/toilet ventilation, with slab being poured after mechanical and electrical work complete, fire hood, kitchen equip- ment, plug excavation, brinai.ng ostimated total to 0/,.09000 to 060,000.. Because of budget constraints, -,one items will be handled by City and teen work program, plus Lion's volunteer work. Ti.ese would include grading, sod, seed and planting;, walkways, pai-nting, sig;nag o, graphics, and raise. carpentry. . King;r,cy n shod after rough grading was done and top nit up, will dirt be crowned. Ovick responded that after the grading; was done by the City, it -would be brou_rizt dolor and sub-cut, with perimeter footings, with no crowning. The Lion's Club would• potlr concrete slab Upton aslcod whether the stnic•ture would have four uralls or three sides open. Ovick replied that at this time, lie didn't know what type it would be, but was interested in geeting; the Commission's ideas on this. I Mpproved Minutes — Park & Rec. �y 19 ree 975 Commission . D. Presentation by Architect for Round Lake Pavillion (Cont'd) Ovick proceeded with the definitions of proposed materials for structure, emphasizing suggestions received from input, which included that it must be of minimal cost, ease of maintenance, minimal painting and repair, and with vandalism being a prime consideration. Ovick responded to questions regarding kitchen placement with conversion to concession stand, toilet facilities; physical structure, fireplace — cost of metal vs. brick or stone, and cost of cedar shingles vs. asbestos shingles. Garens was concerned over the proposed :n60,00 total price of structure, and the rise from the original z?7,000 to the present proposed estimate. Jessen responded by bringing the Commmission up to date on the progress of the picnic pavillion. It was discussed and approved by the Commission three years ago .in response to request by hion's Club to donate (J8,000 towards a "picnic pavillion" for Schooner Days, etc.. Alternatives were studied and ,�8,000 vas agreed upon to add to this project, with* some rcaer4vations. The initial step'will be 'at the 5�15,000 figure. Ile added that the ultimate may never be reached. Ide could add the other items to the extent of what we want the pavillion to be. CGarons still felt that �15,000 was -too much for a structure without afire— place, electricity, or some of the other items.;. Bennett coranented that we are eventually going to have to provide for rest rooris etc., and it is very wise to plan a. building that can be added on in the future. It does not have to be done now, and the basic building can stand.on its own. Choiniere was concerned that because there was so much under consideration right now, it eras meangless to him why a picnic pavillion was to replace E teon center. lie added that if an outdoor pool is built, that would have facilities, as would the; proposed school, and feels this is out of place + right now. lie was definitely opposed to it. Jessen responded that lie had asked Mr. Ovick here to show you where the thing, has come to date and get concensus of direction from Commission. The next step would he actual drawing and design to show you in sketch form. how some of these would tool: out there. Upton said she lilce the idea of a structure with sliding; doors on one side, and the kitchen off the lake, using it for a duel purpose. Anderson aslced whether C•vick had pictures of sites done in other areas. Ovick said that slides of different typos of physical structures could be presented. INapproved Page Four rsay 19, 1975 ; Minutes - Park & Rec. Com. ; Presentation by Elrchitect for Round Lake Fsvillion D. Cont�d� MOTIOII Garens moved to table to illtttro on s dfeatod with teaue had a rolltime call study vote it. Paul seconded, and the inoti of 2-5• n Fenzel - °nay" Anderson - "nay" p Garen, - yay. nnay" Kingrey - "nay" Choiniereuyay It Upton - Bennett- u,naya Garens commented tilat he had been prepared to vote on a15,000 store- ture, and needed time to think about it. { Jesscn asked e sc d fora point of clarification on what the cause for that we looking for disagreement was. Choiniere and��a es agree with©the fact that swe-odo. sort of a shelter primarily, need a sholtor. Tlichaol G. Bennett, alsolso of architectural offices, tried to pin- J.b'. u:� whether a she built at ,�15,000 would point' the issue by inquiring be adequate. approving.n the Penzel informed the Coinission that the Council, when app progrin was fu11;s nti�^-re the final. cost would potentially exceed the present funds available. The initial contrslct woVLd only be toward achieving the Fro£1 of meeting a par.: need, which 1rould be a picnic pavillior, for inclement weather, with a bard surface floor for group use. :It was not designated to includes any 'of the amenities not pro- vidod in the teen center. The reason that the Council felt Ile ou"ht to have the additional provisions was that it is much easier to pro- duce complete plans of what not with noteo>rs^ittmentsUforgthe future plan. would prow-1de initial program ns llxidero>on questioned whether ol,eto ether whole hs�'7�000 anddnowcweshaveoto looked picnic pzvi.11idn and could C E; at 'tile 141101e complex. He added that we have to consider the park bond is::ue and decide whether a picnic pavillion would fit in right now. Fenzel aslcad whether the merlbers felt that the drawing. up of plans would be inappropriate, in view of the fact that when we look at t116 time schedule and ree that at the time construction documents are corn- ploted., the results of boric! is-Mle will be it,, and we could have funds • to continue. ut,ructuro "per oo" will not chango. Josson asked for point of clarification of disngroe,aent with tho program, build9.n[; itself, or what it is. Choinicre said the"second phaoe" of the picnic pavillion was something now to him and did not approve. T10 i011 ondin the outcome of thO Andcr;,ot1 moved. to not:i.fy the Council, that p F; bond i:.suo and raraif.icntions on -this pzirlc Mite, we at this time are j someiinra.t unolare :iu to the :cope of the 1?icnic pavil:lion at Round Take. Garon;, secondod and the motioll carried with a vote of 6-1, with 13ennctt casting di s:,ontilIg veto. fiapproved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Five Commission -May 19, 1975 D. Presentation by Architect for Round Lake Pavillion (Conttd) Bemzett voted "nay" because she felt the plans for the picnic pavillion, as presented, were two separate issues. Penzel cautioned against delay as architect is looking for input. on the designs and cannot wait too long. III. REC01B2-_I.DATIGi]S ATID RE: ARTS A. MAC. Study of 1lving Cloud Air,Lort Jessen referred to Flying Cloud Airport Master Plan Report, stating four alternative development schemes and letter from Dale Lorimen, Pros. of E11AA. 2-LAC requested Eden Prairie input on this study,. City Council has referred it to the various Commissions for input in their areas of interest. Kingrey, speaking for EPAA interest, would Like to see the .youth sports program more secure or else find new land. He would like to see the land in question turned over to the City for youth sports purposes, or prepare to buy .land elsewhere. Bennet inquired about land at Starring Lake. Jessen 'roplied it had been considered, but proved to have too xueh slope and not enough depth. , Upton quostion whether X&C had been approached on a long term lease. Jessen said it has been from year to year. Garens commented since he has been on the Commission, we have always had it on a temporary basis, and fools that: if the Airport Commissionz has plans to change it they will use this land for their changes. He favors looking-at different facilities. Anderson coranented that he was under the assumption that it was Federal land and could not be dedicated to us. Jessen responded that the land in the alternatives is not designated for use, because it is too close to housing, and therefore feels there is a good chance they may dedicate to City. •Penzol commented that we do not have any control and they can do what they want. Kingroy asked whether on alternatives A or B-1 MAC would be liable to coma back year after yonr until they get what they want. Jessen referred to Staff Report rcoomnendations of April 11, 1975 and feels these are logitimate responses from the Commnission. 4 ' f Wapproved Page Six Minutes - Park & Roe.* page 193 1975 Commission A. 14AC S•Ludr of rlvinr C]oud Airport Kingro,Y also was concerned with the fact that lights are needed, but was ; afraid of having a lighted field so close to runway because it may look inviting to aircrafts in trouble. ` 160TIMT ICi.ngrey moved that Staff communicate with MAC regarding a long term eor^aaittmont of the ball field area. Bennett secondod; motion carried unanimously. B. Ec�ue^tri�rn Center T,easo�Sttus Renor'L Jessen presented Status Re-port prepared by committee of four, which included City Attorney Yerbi.x, Council representative, Karv. Erickson, and Jessen. Tho Lessees rrorild .be Glen and Janet L�ronz, with many years of experience in -the manager.-ent of a stable, and Bert and .Alice Lear, also with many years of e�q�cri_once in training; of horses. Lenr has been with Hollow Haven Farm and others a good miny yenrsy rotn'rdIng out his experience. Their program with training and instruction would include the boarding; of horses, sbifor the lasses willpersons boarding their horses there. Avariety of horsemanship cla be offered to groups through school, boy scbut�d etc.. Choi.niere inqui5'ed as to whether they had receivgd input regarding Voc-`tech Equo.strian program -that i•rill be funded by -the Federal Government. Jessen responded that he had left a call with Dr. Lund on this and was waiting for his call. Josscn added. that Cityt s ir_volver:ent will be spelled out in a contract. The lease will be•for one year, with tiro 2-year options. They will be required to make initial Prepayment deposit of the annual lease to the City, and will also be required to carry ,>1,000,000 worth of insurance. 1dOMM T. Choiniero noved to accept Staff itoport as presented by Jessen regarding Equestrian Lease. Garens seconded, motion carried unanDiio•usly. C. lLkrl)i-:Le a 1nti rr.nunrt unit J•ossen reported that there is money available for this service in the "vi;ri.blo park improvements" budget. `The goal is to provide more service to more resident, of the corrmurrity. Choiniere inquired about Briar Eillarea. lie asked how many other areas are there with tho same; circII:.:J'ances, such as many children, one parent families, and no car available. Jenson said they have relied heavily from input from Horinepin County t.(ellfzre, schools, etc. and find that about 60--70H of those ( � residents fa1.1 into group that have those kinds of circwnstances. 21approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Seven Commission May 199 1975 C. Mobile P1avFround Unit (Conttd) Jessen responded to questions regarding the circumstances involved in the Briar Hill area. Kingrey cormnonted that he feels the basic program is very good as outlined in the Mobile Playground report, and would like to see a maximum number of hours. Anderson also felt it was a worthwhile program and said he had seen it work well in other communities. I DTION Anderson moved to accept the Ibbile Playground plan .and cost estimates from the Staff, with the idea of expanding, the program if successful. Garens seconded, motion carried unanimously. Jedsen•responded to further discussion regarding leaders .and aides, possibility o'f Birch Island as a situ,.,dth the use of Public Safety Cadets to help children cross at .dangerous . spots. Fifield., Ex-officio me-tuber, inquired as to when the neat Park & Roc. meeting would be hold. Iie informed the Commission'.that he had been awarded a scholarship to the Long' Lake Conservation Camp and would not be present at that meeting. D. Deyelornent Ironosnls ]. ar . J.et•r Annrtmen•ts and 01,mnie I•iills Jessen reported that the proposals had been tabled, but that they were still working with them and suggested tabling again. Concerning discussion of proposals, Choiniere was appalled at lack of facilities in Briar Hill area, and was concerned that it didn't happen again. I DTION Bennett ;roved to discuss and form a policy concerning future PUD development and adequate recreational facilities. Choiniere seconded, motion carried unanimously., Iv; DISCUSSION A. Bench fees - Pau. Choiniere j Choiniere opened dis ct;3:i:i.on by informing Commission that the reason he t{ requested rc-introduction of question was because last summer when he pproved r . ight Yinutes - Park & Rea. Page Commission May 19,,, 1975 e -• •N. DISCUSSION (CO17 2) he first was serving on the Commission, he had so much input from people stating the inconsistency of fees for recreational programs. He still feels we would provide services to all residents of Eden Prairie, with- out the inconsi.stancy of fees. They should not have to pay for facilities because they are already paying. for them through taxes. Penzel responded that the reason it .was decided that -we should charge a fee at Rock Isle Park is at that location, we cannot charge anyone a fee i'f we do not charge our residents. That project is totally a Federal program, 'and only a non-di-scriminatory fee can be charged under Federal law. 1 Anderson asked for point of clarification regarding discriminatory fees. Jessen responded, that as he remembered it, Federal and State regulations of charging discr:i.niinatory foes are based on operating cost. E.P. was paying sonic through their taxes. Discriminatory fees are charged at Round Lake and Bryant Lake, and the reason is that up until a year ago � trc had no guarantee that the City would own the Bryant Lekc property was that Ono of the agreements with laolasek, former owner of property, ind both charges is cost we would operate it the way he had. Theory beh - involved in providing; services Eire what deterr ine the fee. Last year, intervie,.rs were talcQi at Bryant Lake, and 63 were non-residents, while were from E. The decision was made that foes to be required where services were offered. , EOTION Choiniere roved that for year 1975 beach operations including Round Lake and Rocl_ Isle Park reflect free swinnning and free entrance for all tax-paying citizens of 'N.P. for their use, and that we recormmnend this to the Council. Jessen called a point of order stating that motion of reconsideration has to come from someono who voted on prevaling side, according to Robert's Rules. 1MOTION Kin(yrey moved to continue the beach operation schedule as outlined by the Staff. Uotion died for lack of second. P.nderson asl.ed whether ��e haie funds at the present; time and if we cou;.d approve the beach operation. Penzel responded that ?./3 of City Budget f g bein covered through fees collected in all areas. Presently, because of the slump in dovelopmollt, our income from those sources are down 50% and 1 we are experiencing) a shortcoriing on our overall budget. Iie fol't the Council would be extromel.y reluctant to approve -this. 14 Mpproved . Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Nine Commission •May 19, 1975 IV. DISCUSSION (COI•IT'D) MTION Kingrey moved that we transmit to the Council our position indicating that we recognize our responsibilities and intend .to review and forward to the Council next year's beach operation budget. Choiniere seconded, motion carried unanimously. Kingroy felt our position should be.made known to the Council that we intend that it is our responsibility under the bylaws. Jessen said after spending. about 01/+00 from the "visible park improvementsll,. primarily for the mini-rinks for skating, there would be about t;�2,000 that would just about cover the 50;; loss of revenue. The Commission may wish to have swim:ring fees reduced and do whatever the Council has capability to do. . NOTION Choiniere moved' to suspend "Roberts Rules of Order". Anderson seconded, motion carried unanimously. MOTION Choiniere moved to recommend to the Council that for :the year 1975 beach operations, including Round Lako and Rock Isle Park, reflect free swimming and free entrance for all taxpaying residents of Eden Prairie. Anderson seconded, notion carried unanimously. Jessen asked for point of clarification on charging for boat launching, etc.. ` Choiniere said they were amenities and there should be a charge. The sugges- tion was Trade that boats be charged according to horse_rowe'r. Penzel sug; ested• that if approved by Council, the Staff hold season applications that come in before June, which would eliminate refunds etc.. V. ADJOURNMENT Anderson moved to adjourn meeting, Penzel seconded. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting; adjourned at 10:30 PId. •