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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 01/20/1975 1975 � JANUARY6 ,, 20 MINUTES CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE �I AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, January 6, 1975 7:30 P.M. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBER: Chairperson Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Dorothy Bennett, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracey and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor Chris Enger, Landscape Architect ROLL CALL b I. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 16, 1974 MEETING. II. ORGANIZATION A. Consideration of Proposed Ordinance repealing Ordinances No. 45, 112 & 131 establishing the Park & Recreation Commission. - Proposed Ordinance attached B. Consideration of Commission Bylaws - Proposed Bylaws attached C. Election of Officers ` 1 . Chairperson 2. Vice-Chairperson III. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS 4 A. MRPA B/C Workshop to be held January 16, 1975 at University of Minnesota, St. Paul Campus. Report by Dick Anderson. IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 1975 Winter-Spring Recreation Program Report B. Ice Skating Program Report 1 . Major Rinks 2. Mini Rinks C. Recommendation for Funding a Short-Term Recreation Facility Program - Report attached. D. Presentation of Study of Land Use for the area around Highway 5 and County Road 4. PARK AND RECREATION AGENDA PAGE 2 E. Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force Report - Report Previously Distributed C.. F. Lower Minnesota River Open Space Study - Report attached. V. DISCUSSIONS A. 1975 Program Budget B. Homeowners Associations C. Golf Courses in Eden Prairie 1 . Northwest Eden PRairie 2. Cedar Hills 3. Homeward Hills/Bluff 4. Olympic Hills 5. Edenvale VI. ADJOURNMENT 77, i M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PART{ AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 1975 7:30 PM CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Richard Anderson, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Francis Helmer, Wolfgang Penzel, Dorothy Bennett, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Elizabeth Tracy STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor Chris Enger, Landscape Architect OTHERS PRESENT: John Weiss, Sun Newspaper, Jeff Pedersen, Community News, and Bill Bonner, Hustad Dovelopers Meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Chairman Erickson. I. MINUTES OF DECEMBER 16, 1974 MEETING l Pg. 3, Para. /+, delete "Edenview" and "Birch Island". C Pg. 3, Para. 5, delete "and he felt that once a rink was started, others would follow." Insert "and asked her to stick to the mini-rink project". Pg. 3, Para. 6, clarify statement that Garens presented minority opinion of Commission. It was not Commissionts opinion, but that of Garens. Council's minutes were inaccurate in stating that Garens was presenting Commission's position. Garens moved to approve minutes as corrected, Bennett seconded. Motion carried unanimously. II. ORGANIZATION A. Consideration of Proposed Ordinance repealing Ordinances No 45 112 & 131 eptablishing the Park & Recreation Commission, Jessen reported that the question of the proposed Ordinance and Bylaws was mainly for comment and consideration by the Commission tonight. He suggested no action, but discussion and the relaying of thoughts. He explained that the Procedures of Ordinances 45, 112, 131, are really ordinances charging Commission with responsibility. B. Consideration of Commission Bylaws Garens asked Jessen to add Homeowner Assoc. to the list of Fac-Officio Members to be included in the Bylaws, under SECTION III, Membership, Subdivision 2. 1 Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Two Commission January 6, 1975 B. Consideration of Commission Bylaws. _ (Cont1c Garens requested that Jessen make Bylaws consistent with Ordinance, in that a quorum for a regular or special meeting of the Commission shall be constituted by a majority of the adult members presently appointed to the Commission. Garens asked. whether the EPAA will also be represented by an•ex='d£ficio member on the Commission. This led to the question of whether there should be any ex-officio members. Jessen explained that an ex-officio member had the rights of discussion, could bring matters to the floor, but had no power of vote. Penzel added that a citizen may request that an item be brought up on the agenda. The others may vote him down, but they cannot refuse to let him be heard. Garens said that he had talked to Bob Hallett, a member of EPAA) and that the EPAA was interested in having a=ember appointed to the Commission for one year. Erickson commented that he felt they may be more at ease being represented in a group, rather than as one person. Upton suggested that one of the members of the EPAA executive board be appointed for a 1 year term, and the others could be ex-officio. Jessen said that under existing ordinance, that is a 3 year appointment. There is no provision in the proposed ordinance for length of term. 1 Choiniere asked why the Commission was even considering ex-officio members. Jessen answered that the concept for expanding the number of persons effective on the Commission is very desirsbley-.if it is the sense of this group to accept this broader distribution of information. This, in turn.,. broadens the imputebase for Commission decisions. Erickson offered the skating rink meeting as an example,of that concept. r F Choiniere felt that we were showing preferential treatment to a group that has a vested interest. He felt that giving ex-officio status is giving preferential treatment. Upton disagreed, saying thatEPAA was doing a community service, and that we should work with them and be willing to hear what they have to say. Choiniere said some people in his area are left out because everything im geared for school and hockey and are not looking at total area. f Upton said that if apy group came forward, they would be heard. Jessen said EPAA depends on the city for providing information and receiving information. It will make it very difficult to co=unioate without their r Minutes - Park & Rec. January 69 1975 Commission Page Three CB. Consideration of Commission Bylaws. (Cont'd) representation. It widens the base for information. Anderson commented that EPAA covers all activities and that we 'should continue in liaison with the school.. He feels that a good rapport with every group is beneficial. When a group benefits the kids of our city, they benefit the community. ' Bennett agreed that it was a good idea to have ex officio members. Choiniere still felt that we are channeling our efforts toward these ¢ preferred groups, and that projects, such as mini-rinks, are note working because of this. He stated that he did not want anyone to misunderstand him in that he was saying EPAA is not doing a good job. Our primary responsibility is to all, the citizens of Eden Prairie, . according to Choiniere. He said we are falling down in the communication f; area, and that there is no action being taken by the Commission. He feels we are missing people not involved in EPAA. Bennett asked in what respect. ' '. Choiniere answered by asking what facilities are available for them. Bennett answered Round Lake Park and other such facilities. Anderson pointed out that the people in the area Choiniere was referi*ing to did have access to the many facilities available to the persons in the Hopkins-Minnetonka School district, which was an advantage that Eden Prairie kids did not have. Garens commented that the community was getting facilities over the years. He said we could not do all of these things on an immediate basis. He did not feel that the citizens werenit getting anything. i Helmer felt that developing the neighborhood facilities would help. y r Erickson added that the question of whether or not to disband EPAA was under discussion when recreation director was hired. It was highly recommended by a consultant group to keep the organization active, with the help of the City. ° Jessen said that the representatives of special interest groups should ;. represent the people in the neighborhood. Establishment of priorities, ; such as this, should be included in Bylaws. Penzel said that Bylaws could provide for the process annually, one of the requirements established, without... tying down to specifics. Helmer asked if corrections to Bylaws are done at prerogative of the chair., Jessen answered that the Ordinance is very cumbersome to change, but that Bylaws have a much simpler procedure. Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Four Commission January 6, 1975 CB. Consideration of Commission Bylaws (Cont'd) Penzel brought up Subdivision 2, pg. 3, of the Bylaws regarding un6xplained absences of members. He felt it would be desirable to be more specific, therefore removing arbitrariness. Carens moved that Items A and B under Organization be tabled for future study by the Staff. It was seconded by Helmer and the motion carried unanimously. C. Election of Officers Jessen recommended postponing election, as an appointment is forthcoming. III. PETITIONS. REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS ? A. MRPA B/C Workshop to be held January 16 3-975 at the Universityof Minnesota, St. Paul Campus. Anderson reported on the MRPA' meeting. He touched on the workings of the Community Education Bill, which could be a source of funds available to schools and eoimicunities by being used for recreation purposes in critical areas throughout Minnesota. The "Progress 8011 program would turn State parks back to community and build new State parks. Anderson extended invitation to members to attend Workshop at St. Paul Campus ' of the Univ. of Minn. on January 16, 1975. No Action required. IV. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS f. C A. 1975 Winter-Spring- Recreation Pro an. Report Worts reported that the Hyland Hills and Cedar Hills ski lesson program came off well. There were cross-country ski lessons available and skating lessons were offered at Round Lake for Tots and Moms, with good response. She added that the Winter Programs were printed and will be in the mail. Classes begin January 27. i Upton asked about the Firearms Safety Class. Worts answered that they are scheduled to meet Tuesdays and Thursdays, starting January 7 and;9, with a possible second session. } Bennett asked whether this is a mailing to be sent to every- resident. Worts ' answered that all of Eden Prairie will be covered by the mailing. Choiniere asked about scheduling the classes only once a week for 8 weeks. Worts answered that it was the feeling of Mr. Carpenter, the instructor, that parents feel that 8 weeks drags on too long and they tend to slack off at the end of the session. Jessen added that Carpenter had taught classes for Eden Prairie for a long time and is a highly qualified instructor. Worts commented that they were glad to offer any class if they can find a resource person. Bennett asked Worts to notify instructors to stress putting back all chairs, etc. used in school classrooms, because custodians. it causes an extra load for the C No Action Required. Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Five Commission January 6, 1975 B. Ice Skating Program Reuort I ' 1. Wor Rinks-Major rinks are officially open. Round Lake has twice the attendance of Forest Hills. This is based on taking attendance 5 times a day. Upton asked whether there was a high rate of accidents at Round Lake. Werts answered that most accidents were minor. Jessen added that there have been a mimimal amount of accidents over the years. 2. Min_ i_Rinks_ Werts reported that the last two neighborhood meetings, Topview and Eden Hills, were scheduled for the coming week. The only rink flooded so far by the City is the Flying Cloud rink, which has a high attendance of skaters. As soon as remaining leases are signed,the rinks can be flooded. Birch Island rink will be flooded tomorrow, and Lochanburn is being used. Eden View is in a bad position because of property being turned back to deed holder. Choiniere asked where rink would be located in the Birch Island area. Werts answered along the creek on Cecil Martin's land. He organized the people and graded the land at his expense. Jessen added that the site was decided through neighborhood impute. It was closer to more people and they could better utilize it. Helmer asked about the hockey rink discussed for Birch Island. Jessen said it was for future development, and that there was no money available. Upton asked how often major rinks were flooded. Jessen answered that they were swept, cleared and flooded 5 times a week. No Action Required. C. Recommendation for Funding a Short-Term Recreation Facility Program. Enger presented the program in-response to discussion two weeks ago. He pointed out that it could go together in many ways. Upton asked about the 15% added on. Jessen answered that it was a contingency fund to cover underestimations. Bennett commented that it was felt by many people that Eden Prairie was in a good position to build an arena and pay for it by having Shakopee and Chaska make use of it also. Garens asked about the possibility of jointi funding by Shakopee, Chaska, and Eden Prairie. Jessen answered that it was very feasible. Anderson asked whether an arena could be built with revenue bonds. Jessen answered that it could be done in that manner. Anderson moved to table the recommendation for further study at future date. Helmer seconded and the motion carried unanimously. Upton asked about a special meeting on this particular matter. Anderson suggested that chairman appoint subcommittee to study and make a proposal on it. Erickson informed the members that he would set a special meeting for this purpose at the next regular meeting. Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Six Commission January 6, 1975 F 6 C D. Presentation of Study of Land Use for the area around Hiphwav 5 and County Road 4. Y Enger presented the study to the Commission with a specific recommendation made by the study team and traffic consultant. The areas most pertinent to the Park and Recreation Commission involve Round Lake and Mitchell Lake. Upton asked whether the plans had been advertised. 1 Jessen answered that they had been brought up at the management board ' meeting and neighborhood meeting. r Enger explained that the 1968 comprehensiveguide plan was followed. Visual analysis, visual and physical features, and environmental features were all kept in mind, with the most significant feature being Mitchell Lake which has high quality woods. Choiniere questioned the 4 lan®s on County Road Q if the Crosstown would not go through. Enger answered that he did not Xnow. Upton asked about the section north and west of Highway 5 in the shopping , area and whether there would be trails set aside. Enger answered that one of the recommendations indicated a pedbstrian under pass incorporated with Highway 5 and existing neighborhoods: and proposed neighborhood areas to be i incorporated within the family development and institutional development. Bennett made a motion to accept Enger's recommendation for approval of tan as done b P y study group for land use for.•>title area around Highway5 and C County Road 4. Garens seconded and the motion carried unanimously. E. Bikewav/hikeway Task Force Retort Jessen informed. the-,Commission that the report was received for further , study and consideration. He asked for questions. + t` Choiniere what action is required on the report. Jessen answered that it was for the Commission's study and hopefully for their approval. h' It will be either accepted or rejected by the Council upon advice of the s ' Commission. Anderson said he urgently wishes to accept it because it has guide lines for our trail systems, which we lack at the present time. �.s Helmer asked for more time to study the report. Jessen said there was no time limit on it. Upton moved to put Bikewa ' Garens seconded themotion. Itwcarri d Force on next agenda. ii A F. Lower Minnesota River Open Space Study Postponed. is V. DISCUSSIONS 'r r A. 1975 Proeram Budrzet . Chair requests this item be put on first part of agenda for next meeting. B. Homeowners Associations Postponed until next meeting. �. Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Seven Commission January 6, 1975 C. Golf Courses in Eden Prairie Jessen gave some background on the golf course situation in Eden Prairie.. He said that 3 years ago the City was contacted by Edenvale about bu.*ing a golf course. We were also contacted by Edina Builders, Olympic Hills, Cedar Hills, and Hustad Developers regarding golf courses. The present status of these proposals are as follows: 1. Northwest Eden Prairie - in process of being sold to another developer. 2. Cedar Hills- still hanging. Discussions but no decisions. s 4. Olympic Hills-has become a Country Club, where women can now play, ? and are selling memberships. They are still talking to the City. 5. Edenvale - is giving serious consideration to another proposal to the City. 3. Homeward Hills/Bluff - Mr. Bill Bonner of Hustad Developers C presented the Bluff Sector Study to the Commission and stated that he would like feedback on his ideas. Their concept was to build a golf course or ski hill with the cooperation of the Browning-Ferris company. He continued that these ideas constituted the best ideas of land use of Hustad Developers and Browning-Ferris. The land referred to comes up to 150 acres, which they had labeled as a recreational area. Bonner described the concept of the ski hill, which could be built up with "fill" from the Sanitary Landfill 4 ' owned by Browning-Ferris, which also has necessary equipment for E such a project. He stressed this idea as being economical for the C City. , Upton asked whether the 150 acres would be dedicated lend. Bonner answered that it was a combination of dedication and acquisition. Garens asked about the relocation of Highway 169 and how that would affect it. Bonner had checked with Highway Department and was quite certain this would not come about because of cost. Choiniere asked what Hustad planned to build if the City is not interested. Bonner said they would build terraced apartments or terraced office buildings ; overlooking the lowland. i f Anderson wanted a clarification that Hustad's basic reason for the golf course J was to make the area more attractive to live in. Bonner agreed that this was the main object. Choiniere moved to accept the presentation and thank Mr. Bonner for the 1 Presentation. Garens seconded the motion and it carried unanimously. Choiniere asked about final report on Red Rock Hills PUD. Enger answered that it should be coming back to the Commission after he meets with the developer. If I developer meets terms specified, then as far as Commission is concerned it is .�acceptable. Choiniere asked for a copy of correspondence with Mr. Ablah regarding sale of land. Jessen said there was no correspondence from him. Choiniere suggested communication by mail rather than phone. He feels strongly that this should be settled. Jessen said Ablah is not interested in selling us land. i Minutes - Park & Recreation Page Eight Commission January 6, 1975 V. DISCUSSIONS (Cont'd) Anderson asked whether we can buy land. Jessen said no, but there is some money left from the bond issue. Choiniere• feels;: that the Commission should sit down and formulate what they want to do and where they are going. The intent of the Commission is to provide the best for the people of Eden Prairie and he is finding it very hard to follow through on anything. Garens agreed that the Commission should be more organized, but feels that it is the nature of the Commission that prevents it from operating as efficiently as they would like. Upton commented that she feels it is good to have the different opinions and to bring them out into the open. Jessen said he didn't mean to say discussion was bad. He feels that if there is a difference, it should be brought out into the open. The point is that philosophy is what constitutes the park policy. One of the reasons far bringing in golf course discussions is to bring to Commission's notice what a park system should be. Anderson asked Jessen about the study being made on "gravel pits". Jessen said there was information put together. Engineers are reviewing it for their purpose. Garens questioned Jessen about Ralph Haugents planning. Jessen answered that there was some data received a while back and that was the last he had heard. Anderson requested that Jessen find out how many, if any, arrdsts have been made on snowmobiles. VI. "ADJ_ 0URHIg=. Garen moved to adjourn at 11:45 P24. Upton seconded the motion and it was carried. Wide AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION Monday, January 20, 1975 7:30 p.m. , City Hall COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel , Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Jerry Kingrey, Elizabeth Tracy, Brian Mikkelson and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio COMMISSION STAFF: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Chris Enger, Landscape Architect Sandy Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF JANUARY 6, 1975 MEETING. II. DISCUSSIONS. A. 1975 Program Budget B. Homeowners Associations III. ORGANIZATION A. Election of Officers C airperson 2. Vice-Chairperson IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Letter from Lynne Forester representing the League of Women Voters. Action: Motion directing staff to provide the information requested, or deny. V. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS A. MRPA B/C Workshop - Report by Dick Anderson B. Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force Report Action: Motion recommending to the City Council adoption of report or modify, or deny. C. Lower Minnesota River Open Space Report Action: Motion recommending to the City Council adoption of the report or modify, or deny. r. Page two Park & Recreation Agenda C D. Development Proposals 1 . Red Rock Hills Action: Motion recommending to the City Council approval of the revised plan, or deny. 2. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition .Action: Motion recommending to the City Council approval of the plan, or deny. E. Neighborhood Facilities Fundinq Recommendation - Report by Chairman Erickson Action: Motion approving date of special meeting to discuss this matter, or deny. VI. ADJOURNMENT Approved M I N U T E S ( EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND Ri;CREATION COM11ISSION MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 1975 7:30 PM CITY HALL C01,11ISSION 14EIdBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, Richard Anderson, Mary Upton, Francis Helmer, Paul Choiniere, j William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, and Jerry Kingrey C014iISSION 10MRS ABSENT: Wolfgang Penzel, Elizabeth Tracy, Steve Fifield, and Brian Mikkelson STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Chris Enger, Landscape Architect OTHERS PRESENT: Gene More, Community News, Joann Scobie, League of Women Voters, John Houston, Houston Engineering Meeting was called to order at 7:35 PM by Chairman Erickson. I. MINUTES OF JANUARY 6. 1975 MIMING. Pg. 5, Section C, Para. 4, add "Garens said Shakopee will be presenting a j bond issue for an ice arena, therefore eliminating the joint venture idea". Pg. 1, Section I, Para. 2, insert "and he felt that once a rink was started, others would follow". Change "stick to the" to read "stay with the" in the following sentence. Pg. 11, Section 1, Para. 3, delete "but that of Garens". Add "but was personal opinion of Garens and Anderson". I Pg. 5, Para. 5, Clarification of sentence ending with "there was no money available" requested by Choiniere. Jessen said that at no time did the Commission seriously discuss putting up hockey boards for a hockey rink, and that it was too costly and was not in thq budget for this year. Bennett moved to approve minutes as corrected. Upton seconded. The motion carried. II. DISCUSSIONS A. 1975 Program Rudret Jessen made introductory continents regarding tMe budget, including a summary of revenues and proposed expenditures adopted by the City Council. He said that the budget requcat for 1974-75 is not particularly larger in most areas, and primarily responds to the difficult problem the Council has balancing t o budget this year. The budged, is in line with last year's thinking. ossen asked for questions. Garens said that this budget has been pretty well settled without the Input of the Commission and requested specifically that the Commission be in on the budget next year. Jesson agreed. Approved Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Two Commission January 20, 1975 n A. 192J Program Budgat (Cunt d) r' Jessen, in complying with Choiniere's request to go over the budget, explained each item and answered questions pertaining to specific areas. Clarification was needed in the section regarding Red Rock Ranch. Upton pointed out that it sounded as if it were already settled that it would be an equestrian center, without the Commission acting on 4 on it. Jessen explained that the City Council has adopted this in the work program for. 1975. The City purchased Red Rock Ranch and we have been charged with developing it into anything that we agreed on. Bennett inquired about the possibility of PLACE using it as a project. Jessen said that was a good possibility. Choiniere asked why citizens use Round Lake without any charge but pay { to use Bryant Lake. Erickson said that we took over Bryant Lake before I we actually bought it, because they didn't want to run it. Uhile we were in the process of buying it that summer, the Commission decided to make a nominal charge. This year it was decided to Arrive at a fair cost for both lakes. Garens commented that he would like to refer to a suggestion of giving i new members a packet of information of old minutes and information. He said that so many of these questions have been discussed and new members keep asking the same questions. He added that he had done the same thing. Choiniere asked about disparity in the two parks and what would be done `-) about it. 'Anderson called for a point of order. He asked whether what we are considering is out of order or not. Chairman Erickson stated that we are discussing the budget and not the beaches. No action required. B. Homeowners Associations Jessen explained to the Commission that they must arrive at a description of what these associations should or should not do in the community. He asked for members' opinions to relay to the Council. The Commission discussed the question, with most of the members agreeing that the City is going to have to define what constitutes a Homeowners Association. Choiniere moved that the Commission not recognize any homeowner association involved in providing elements that conflict with the providing by the City of park and recreational facilities. The motion died for lack of a second. Approved I Minutes - Park & Rec. Page Three Commission January 20, 1975 B. Homeowners Associations ( Contfd Garens moved that the Chairman of this Commission appoint a member, and perhaps an alternate member, to work with the Staff, Council, and , Planning Commission and to report back as to what a Homeowners Association is and what the problems are as discussed. i Garens made a motion to amend previous motion to read that we recommend to the Council that the Mayor appoint a special committee, including a member and alternate member of the Commission,to make a study of Homeowner Associa- tions. Bennett seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. III. ORGANIZATION A. Election of Officers i 1„ Chairperson Helmer moved to keep Erickson as Chairperson. Garens seconded the motion. Upton asked whether he would want to continue serviing in that capacity. Erickson answered affirmatively. The motion passed unanimously. 2, Vice-Chairperson Choiniere nominated Upton to serve as Vice-Chairperson. Bennett seconded the nomination. Upton nominated Garens for Vice-Chairperson and was seconded by Anderson. Choiniere moved to close nominations. Helmer seconded and the motion carried. Choiniere suggested the voting be in writing. The votes were cast and counted' with an outcome of 5 to 3 in favor of Upton. Garens moved that Upton be elected unanimously. Motion was seconded by Anderson and carried. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS, AND CO101UNICATIONS A. Letter from Lynne Forster representing the Learme of Women Voters The letter was presented to the Commission for action. Joanne Scobie of the League of Women Voters and a member of the committee doing the study, was present and tried to clarify, without speaking for Forster what the League's intentions were. She emphasized that she did not know that Forster had written the letter. Anderson moved that the Staff provide the information requested by the League of Women Voters. Garens seconded the motion. The motion carried rt with a vote of 7-1, with Choiniere casting opposing vote. He felt that we should know more specifically what the League wanted. , V. RECO1,1d2-NDATIONS AND REPORTS A. 14RPA B/C Workshor - Renort by, Dick Anderson Anderson reported to the Commission about meeting attended. It consisted of three parts. The first portion was a slide presentation of the potential and use of the lississippi River, the St. Croix River, and Minnesota River. }le said there was pressure by various groups to upgrade Mississippi River and tributaries of that river. Jerry Hughes, of the Senate Education Committee, discussed the Community Education Bill. The second part of the Approved Minutes — Park & Rec. Page Four ' Commission January 20, 1975 A. 1hI13PA R C Workshop (Conttd) meeting; concerned "critical areas". If there were any areas in your community that needed protection from development for which there were no City funds to purchase it with, the City could request -the Governor to put a hold on the land. The last part of the meeting; covered "Progress 80". The State of Minnesota has sent out people to make plans of all parks in hi.nnesota and catagorize them as far as topography, terrain, type of recreation area etc.. Riley Lake Park was granted high priority because of the City's stand on low and medium housing in 1,k1en Prairie. No action required. B. Rike;.my/Hilcei-my Task Force Report Jensen said there had been a request at the last meeting to delay action on the study, so as to give the Con:mi.ssion more time -to go over it. The Commission questioned Jessen on various aspects of the study. Anderson made the motion to recommend to the City Council that we adopt the report on• the Bi.koway/I:ikeway Task Force.. Upton seconded the motion and the motion passed, with Kingrey abstaining; because he •hadnit seen the report. C. Lower Minnesota River Open Space Report Jesson reported that the City Council had adopted these recommendations, with the exception of nos. 4 and 9. (Page 8) Upton asked how landowners felt. Jessen said there were positive and negative feelings on their part. Upton asked why purchase it. Jessen answered it has great potential as recreation area. Easements from some owners could be a way of pro- tecting some of the land against development. He said Bloomington passed an ordinance defining; flood plain areas as unbuildable. Bloomington has long standing record for opposing development of Minnesota River. Choiniere moved to accept the report as presented to us with nos. /,. & 9 deleted, and substituted for it would be "if development pressure occurs to request the Governor of 1innesota to declare "critical areas" designa- tion". Anderson seconded the motion and it carried. Anderson commented that on no. 9, informing the landowners should be done when a definite course is being; taken. D. Development P.ronosnls 1. Red 11ach.. Hills Eng;or prosented Red Rock Hills proposal for recommendation of approval. or denial by the Coawnission. Choiniere disagreed with the encouragement of a homeowner association in this development. Enger explained that there is a need for such an association under some ci.rcumstancos for the purpose of maintenance. Houston, of Houston Engineering, felt that ho would .� like to eliminate the responsibility of setting up a homeowner association. One of the reasons he grave was that it was difficult to get M-1A financing if there were such a group. Approved Minutes — Park & Rec. Page Five Commission January 20, 1975 1. Red Rock Hills (Cont1d) CBennett did not feel it was up to the Commission to make the decision regarding the homeowner association, but to act on the specific proposal. Jessen said the homeowner association question would be studied, and then acted upon in each situation after the guidelines were set. Garens made trie motion, seconded by Bennett, to recommend approval of the revised plans with the following amendments: Pg. 1, Item 1, modify to "top of slope" 2, 11 1' 6 foot path 4, delete 3, delete Motion carried unanimously. 2. Cedar Forest 2nd Addition Choiniere moved to accept Planning Staff's recommendation of alternative 3, as stated in Staff report of Jan. 9, 1975. E. Neighborhood Facilities Funding Recommendation Anderson asked whether the report could project population up to •1980. Jessen answered if the Commission has a sense of agreement on what constitutes a neighborhood facility, we can develop some projections of population trends and determine what the needs will be. It would depend on speed of development of community. C. Chairman Erickson announced that -the next meeting will be spent on neighborhood facilities funding recommendation. F. Snowmobiles Jessen reported to the Commissnn in response to a request made by Anderson on the number of arrests made. Hacking responded to Jessen's request with informati6n of 37 verbal warnings, 7 written warnings, and 1 traffic warning. Hacking stated that warnings are having little effect on habitual violators. Paying officers for overtime patroling would be very costly. Upton asked what the problems were. Garens said there have been snowmobile tracks on skating areas, near sliding areas, and on newly flooded rink. They have been seen chasing deer and"jumping hills" with no regard for what was on the other side. Garens said that he was in favor of the clubs and for persons who respected the rules, but that a minority is giving all snowmobilers a bad name. Jessen didn't feel that Backing could do too much more in the line of enforcement. All members agreed that someone was going to get hurt because of this type of behavior of a few snowmobilers. Erickson felt that the Commission should write a letter to Hacking, outlining the problems. No action required. C VI. ADJOURM•ENT Garens roved to adjourn, Anderson seconded the motion. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 12:00 PM.