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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 11/25/1974 ,a yl it f� _I 1974 k s NOVEMBER 4 ,, 18 � 25 MINUTES a r CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE a r� AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, November 18, 1974 7:30 PM CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, William Bye, Richard Anderson, William Garens , Paul Enblom, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services, Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect --------------------------------------------------- ROLL CALL I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4, 1974 MEETING. II. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS. A. Reminder of November 25, 1974 Meeting with Riley- Purgatory Creek Watershed District Board of Managers for the purpose of presentation of the Purgatory Creek Open Space Study by Brauer and Associates. III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS. A. Metropolitan Council's proposed Recreation Open Space Development Guide/Policy Plan. B. 1974 Tree Disease Program Report. C. 1974-75 Skating Ring Program Recommendation. IV. DISCUSSIONS. A. 1975 Program Budget. { AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY,.November 18, 1974 7:30 PM CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, William Bye, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Paul Enblom, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty jessen, Director of Community Services, Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect ---------------- ROLL CALL I. MI14 JTES OF NOVEMBER 4 1974 MEETING. II. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS. i A. Reminder of November 25, 1974 Meeting with Riley- Purgatory Creek Watershed District Board of Managers for the purpose of presentation of the Purgatory Creek Open Space Study by Brauer and Associates. III. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS. A. Metropolitan Council's proposed Recreation Open Space Development Guide/Policy Plan. B. 1974 Tree Disease Program Report. C. 1974-75 Skating Ring Program Recommendation. IV. DISCUSSIONS. A. 1975 Program Budget. r „ M I N U T E S EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION ( MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 1974 7:30 PM, CITY HALL MEMBERS PRESENT: Richard Anderson, Mary Upton, Paul Choiniere, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Marvin Ericksom, William Garens, William Bye, Francis Helmer, Wolfgang Penzel, 1° and Paul Enblom STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services ? OTHERS PRESENT: Joe Mischel, Dan Chalich, Harlan Vooge, Joann Scobie, John Weiss, Sun Newspapers, and Jean More, Eden Prairie Community News The meeting was called to order at 7:4.0 PM by Anderson, who was appointed by other members to Chair meeting, as Chairman Erickson was unable to attend. 4; As there were not enough members of the Commission present to make a quorum, the meeting was considered unofficial and as a matter of record only, with no action taken. E Jessen informed the Commission that Bye's formal resignation is forthcoming since !` he was elected to the City Council. In addition, the School Board has changed their representative. The new member will be Dorothy Bennett. k ` Anderson asked for discussion from audience. Dan Chalich, representing the Lochanburn area in the Northwest part of Eden Prairie, reported that the skating rink approval had been received by the land owners involved and the rink was now ready for flooding. He asked whether the City would come out to do this and also E whether City insurance would cover this rink. Jessen answered that the City carries straight liability, with no medical coverage at all. Jessen added that if we are to insure it, we do have to secure a lease or contract giving us responsibility A in the program so we are both responsible and accountible. Anderson mentioned the law passed recently, which states that a land owner who offered his land open for use would not be liable. Jessen did not feel it would be this way. He suggested that the City should lease the land for a dollar, thus giving these� g g people some assurance that someone would be responsible. The discussion which followed covered whether or not hockey playing equipment should be allowed, if the City should provide lights, and the cost of flooding and upkeep 'r e of these small, low-key skating rinks. It was agreed that Jessen would check out the questions involved and present them at the next meeting. He also agreed to send out letters to the neighborhoods involved at the various suggested sites and advise them of the Commission's interest, and ask them to have a representative at the next meeting. Choiniere had asked whether the $5 000 capital a� p expenditure appropriation by the �- Council for. "visible park improvements" could be used toward these rinks. Jessen had Cchecked into this and reported a negative answer. Choiniere and Upton felt that the Minutes - Park & Recreation 2 _ November 18, 1974 Commission Meeting people who were in attendance should receive some promise of action, since they had already gone ahead with their rink. Jassen said he would have a recommendation ready for the next meeting. nutes of the Choiniere asked about a statomentin the October22miAndErson Lakes funds.a Prairie City funds. He Council, Paragraph 4, Subsection L, Item 5, regarding particularly questioned the reduction in the Metropolitan Park Grant of $65,000. r Jessen explained that this was a request for reimbursement of costs inc=read Metro Bonding legislation. much as land acquisition prior to enactment of the the expenditures had occurred prior to legislation, theed Metro approximately $dec edict ineligible for grant reimbursements, b Y PP reimbursements of other more recent acquisitions than Anderson Lakes. Meeting was declared adjourned at 8130 PM- MJsde ( AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, November 25 , 1974 6:30 PM, Prairie View School i COMMISSION MEMBERS: Marvin Erickson, Wolfgang Penzel, Francis Helmer, Richard Anderson, William Garens, Dorothy Bennett, Paul Choiniere, Mary Upton, Elizabeth Tracy, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio. COMMISSION STAFF: Marty lessen, Director of Community Services, Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor, and Chris Enger, Landscape Architect ROLL CALL. I. MINUTES OF NOVEMBER M , 1974 MEETING. II. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS. A. Metropolitan Council's proposed Recreation Open Space Development Guide/Policy Plan. B. 1974 Tree Disease Program Report. C . 1974-75 Skating Rink Program Recommendation. III. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. A. Red Rock Hills B. Village Woods 2nd Addition C. Creekwood 2nd Add. , adjacent to Purg. Creek ( 18 lots ) IV. DISCUSSIONS. A. 1975 Program Budget. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I JOINT MEETING WITH RILEY-PURGATORY CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT I MONDAY, November 25 , 1974 7:30 PM, Prairie View School Presentation of Purgatory Creek Open Space Plan by Brauer and Associates. i l MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1974 6:30 PM PRAIRIE VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Paul Choiniere, Richard Anderson, Mary Upton, Francis Helmer, Dorothy Bennett, and Steve Fifield, Ex-Officio MEMBERS ABSENT: Wolfgang Penzel, Elizabeth Tracy STAFF PRESENT: Marty Jessen, Director of Community Services Chris Enger, Landscape Architect, and Sandra Werts, Recreation Program Supervisor OTHERS PRESENT: Warren Meyer, Gary Nissen, Dan Chalich, k ' Hary Linden, Rose Linden, Timothy Pierce, I Judy Schuck, Sylvia Verkuilen, Dave Ellingson, Bob Thurk, Joann Scobie, Pat Walquist, Carole Welter,, Karen Radtke, Ben Olk, Jim Duvick, Bob Kruell, John Weiss, Sun Newspaper, and Jean Moore, Eden Prairie Community News, John Houston, Houston Engineering, Denny Griswold, Bill Bonner, Hustad Developers, John Tietz, Brauer & Associates, Inc., Al Gebhard, Riley-Purgatory Watershed District, Don Pennie, Riley-Purgatory Watershed District, Howard Peterson, Al Upton, Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force The regular meeting was called to order at 6:35 P14. I. RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORTS r c A. 1924-75 Skating Rink Program Recommendation Jessen brought up the matter of temporary skating facilities, immediate free skating rinks. Eight temporary skating sites are being considered. Jessen presented map of the sites, which contained the Edenview and or Birch Island, Topview, Scenic Heights, Red Rock, Starlrig, Lake, and Creekwood areas on natural ice. Lochanburn and Flying Cloud Field would be on man-made ice. Jessen explained that maintenance cost preparations would depend on how much work has to be done to make them accessible to the City. Preparation rate was approximate $500 to $550, with a total estimated cost of $3,000 for pre- paring and maintaining 8 or 9 rinks per season. Maintenance costs Der week would take up 3 man hours per week per rink, and would include transportation costs from rink to rink eto.. Upton asked about insurance rates and bow hockey Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Two November 25, 1974. A. 1974t75 Skatins Rink Recommendation (Cont'd): would affect this. Jessen answered that the rinks would probably be too small for hockey. He quoted $26 per rink increased premium per year for the City. Jessen emphasized that a lease and written permission from the landowner was necessary from all areas concerned. Rinks would be maintained on a once a week basis. Lights would not be considered by the Ciity, .but would be up to individual neighborhoods to check with N'SP regarding costs, etc.. Erickson asked whether money would be available for lc75. Jessen said there is no formal committment from the Council but felt they would follow the recommendation of the Commission. Erickson asked for questions from the audience. Pat Woodridge stated the feeling of the Creekwood area. Their neighborhood wanted a rink, and would be willing to maintain and supervise it. They felt ' that a schedule and rules were necessary, in addition to a caution sign for drivers. Jessen felt that a sign would be possible, but that the schedule and rules would be up to the individual neighborhoods. Judy Schuck spoke up for the Topview area. They also wanted a rink, with no hockey permitted unless regulated by schedule. Jessen said neighborhood supervision will be necessary, as it would be too costly _ for the City to provide. Sterling Field was inquired about as a site, bringing up the subject of using fire hydrants for flooding. Jessen explained that tapping into fire hydrants could be a serious operation. He did not know whether this could be done, but felt it was a possibility. Hary Linden asked about a change in site in the Eden Hills, Red Rock Lake area. Jessen answered that the owner would have to approve this, and would they assist in getting permission. Carole Welter asked whether the Bennett Place, Blossom Road area could be flooded even though they were not a prospective site. They were close to a fire hydrant. She also suggested posting a notice of schedule, rather than going through the expense of mailing them. There was no communication from the Edenvale or Preserve areas. Flying Cloud Field was not represented. There was generally a feeling that there would be conflict between hockey and free skating. Permanent improvements to meet the needs of hockey are being worked on stated Jessen, and felt it would be ready next year. Choiniere complimented the large turnout and pointed out that the more the neighborhoods did for themselves, the stronger position the Commission would have when approaching the City Council. Jessen said that he would be appearing before the City Council tomorrow night. Upton made the motion to ask Council for $3,000 to maintain and partly provide temporary skating rinks for these neighborhoods as of report of November 25. It was seconded by Helmer. The motion carried unanimously. II. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Red Rock Hills A presentation was made by Denny Griswold, architect for Red Rock Hills PUD for Houston Engineering. He pointed out on the map the area concerned, proposed paths, and dedicated park land. Anderson inquired as to what type of land was dedicated to the City. Griswold answered that it was a low area or marsh, and is presently abovo water. Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Three November 25, 1974 A. Red Rock Hit (Cont'd) Upton asked about drainage into the lake and the high content of fertilizer that would drain off into the lake. Griswold explained that lots along the lake and indicated park area would have that problem, but that most of the lots drainage would be caught in catch basins and storm sewers. Helmer asked about a ball field. Jessen said there was a provision in the East site of Village Woods. The question of trails was discussed and the problem with traffic. Would they cross under the road? Houston, of Houston Engineering, answered that they would cross at grade level and traffic would not be a problem. Jessen questioned the trail route through center of complex, rather than along lake shore. Houston said that the topography, which includes many trees, make it difficult to consider this route. Choiniere was concerned with public access to the lake. Houston said access was permissible, but no launch- ing of boats etc. would be permitted. Jessen felt the dedicated land could be useful in the open space program for cross country skiing for the high school program. Upton was concerned that there were no recreational facilities provided, and that these citizens would come to the City for these in the future. Houghton said there were areas that could contain tennis courts, sand boxes, or tot lots. Jessen said he would look at these and find alternatives for recreation and dedication. Motion was tabled JOINT MEETING WITH RILEY-PURGATORY CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT 7:30 PM John Tietz of Brauer & Associates, Inc. gave a presentation on the Purgatory Creek Study, which included slides of the various points along `- the creek and a series of charts containing areas marked off as suitable for recreational uses compatible to the "needs" of Eden Prairie residents. The major goals are to define corridor by considering all aspects of Creek corridor such as wildlife, habitat, etc. The steering committee felt that 60 acres/lineal creek miles would provide an adequate preservation zone, with 250 feet on either side of central line. Upton asked for an explanation of the term 11100 year flood". Jessen explained that it meant that a flood occurs on the average of once every 100 years. He added that the 11100 year delineation" is used as a basis by the Watershed District. Pennie, of the Riley-Purgatory Watershed District, said that the main goal of the study was to determine high-value land in Eden Prairie before it is sold, and it could be used as a flexible Master Plan. He informed the audience that copies of the Summary Finding are available at the City Hall. Jessen suggested that the Commission should prepare a recommendation to the Council and the Watershed District should adopt a plan to use, in cooperation with the Commission, to be used as a basis of evaluation plannng for future use. Choiniere asked about the force of this plan. Jessen said it will be very enforceable. The plan would start as a concept, evolving as we go along. CNo action required. Minutes - Park and Recreation Commission Page Four November 25, 1974 The regular meeting continued about 8s30 PM. B. Creekwood 2nd Addition Bill Bonner, of Husta.d Developers, presented the plan for the 2nd addition of Creekwood, containing approximately 53 lots. He proposed a dedication along flood plain land. They have tried to use flood plain and this addi- tion fdr a continuation of area. Choinoire asked how much land was going to be purchased„ Bonner answered that he did not know, but that this portion was not as large as previous area. Jessen said there was no specific committment to buy land. Alternatives were being looked into. Helmer was concerned about recreational facilities. Bonner felt that a skating rink would be possible, and Hustad Developers was open-to suggestions. Homeowner associations was discussed. Bonner said he had found that some people feel this is important, while others do not. This particular area is geared toward people who feel it is necessary. Preservation of the area in its natural state is very important to this particular group, of buyers, and there will be more open space per lot than most other developers have offered. Bonner also added that the question of play areas could be worked out on an interim basis. Some of the members of the Commission felt that they would like to see more land for public use, rather than running into Homeowner Associations, which could prevent this. Jessen said that some of the Homeowner Associations groups dedicate land for public easement, �:,He said- the City just didn't have the money to acquire and maintain pub2b areas to a large extent. Choiniere asked why we had to have everything at once and that Eden Prairie residents had united this long. He suggested acquiring lands and setting them aside until the City could maintain them. Garens moved that the Commission recommend approval on the basis of all other alternatives,in view of the fact that Hustad Developers have cooperated in the past. It was seconded by Anderson, and the motion was carried. III. ADJOURNMENT It was moved by Anderson, seconded by Helmer, that the meeting be adjourned. Motion carried unanimously. 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