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Home My WebLink AboutParks and Recreation - 07/18/1994 FF �_...'. .. . .,', ,' `." � ��,.. .....�..�. .. ;.i;....�.i.r� .. .1 _.... .•..,f._.• .��iw�,1':r... .,•_... �..,......�d�. {F�a .._Yn1.�'��u r�.,''a'..•�5:�..!h..«.6??,MEC�:JBC'�.�tg7N.Y e aF. `l i^. 1994 JULY 18 MINUTES i CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE n AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION & NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, JULY 18, 1994 7:00 P. M. CITY CENTER 8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS: Diane Popovich Lynch, Chair; Bruce Bowman, Richard Brown, Claire Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk STUDENT MEMBER: Mark Bremer COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A. Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services I. ROLL CALL II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 6 1994 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Discuss Lighting Concerns at Miller Park B. RQuests from Hockey Association and Girls Athletic Association RE: Charitable Gambling Ordinance and Other Forms of Fund Raising Options C. Review Petitions for Bike Trails and Recommendation for 1995 Buduet 1. County Road 4 Trail 2. Bryant Lake Drive Trail 3. Scenic Heights Trail 4. Golf View Drive Sidewalk V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Brentwood B. Bearpath Maintenance Building VI. OLD BUSINESS (. A. Communi y C nter Fntry Control and Locker Room Expansion Plan " . n ij APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION tic NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION C MONDAY, JULY 18, 1994 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER 8080 MITCHELL ROAD COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Diane Popovich Lynch,Chair;Richard Brown,Clair Hilgeman, Vicki Koenig, David Kracum, Joanne Kube-Harderwijk COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Bruce Bowman STUDENT MEMBER ABSENT: Mark Bremer r COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Barbara Penning Cross, Landscape Architect; Stuart A Fox, Manager of Parks and Natural Resources; Laurie Helling, Manager of Recreation Services `I I. ROLL CALL Meeting called to order at 7 p.m. by Chair, Diane Popovich Lynch. `o• II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kracum to approve agenda as submitted. Motion passed 6 - 0. I11. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 6. 1994 Moved by Koenig, seconded by Kracum to amend the Motion V. A. 1. to read "Motion , passed 4 - 3". Motion passed 6 - 0. IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Discuss Lig_h•ine Concerns at Miller Park - Cross highlighted the information in h-.r memo of July 14, 1994 regarding the lighting in Miller Park. She introduced Keith, the manufactures representative, and Woody who would answer question or concerns from the residents. The following residents addressed the Commission: Cheryl Cotter, 16837 Weston Bay Road Jan Forsberg, 17005 Weston Bay Road Randall Beckwith, 16996 Hanover Lane Lynn Bachman, 17036 Weston Bay Road �. Earl Ingram, 17064 Weston Bay Road 1 I ".approved Minutes Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources July 18 1994 Ginny Popkowski, 16785 Weston Bay Road Lee Grayston, 16756 Weston Bay Road All the speakers supported each other and had the same basic concern which was the intensity of the lights that invade their privacy in their yards as well as in their homes. Although the tree planting isn't complete, the trees won't be tall enough to shield the lights impact on their homes. They pay high taxes and property value is a concern. Their suggestion were shields on all the lights, redirected lights, lights off earlier and possibly a reassessment of taxes because of the invasion of their privacy, and lights turned off as soon as a field is no longer being used for the evening. They invite the Commission members, staff and manufacturer's representative to come to their homes to see for themselves the intensity of these lights and the impact on their lives. Keith addressed the shielding concern stating that the softball fields were designed with the glare shields in place on all lights facing homes to the north.. If additional glare control is added, there will be less playable light in the air above the fields causing kids to lose balls. The field is designed for the the safety of the players. Cross stated that ARTECA will be delivering trees in August. Lambert indicated the 10 p.m. curfew for lights off allows for two games per field; he recommends we continue with 10 p.m. curfew. We have fall soccer and football which usually go until the first part on November depending on weather, He doesn't anticipate using the softball or baseball fields in the fall right now, although fall leagues could happen in the future as they have with adult softball and soccer. Keith indicated they will bring their equipment out and meet with any of the neighbors. Kracum asked how much light could be sacrificed and still have safe playing facility? Keith indicated that any adjustment in lights will be detrimental to the field. Lambert indicated that playing earlier is difficult, since most associations are run by parents who volunteer their time; and most of them usually don't get off work until around 5 p.m. MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Popovich Lynch that the "lighting personnel" set up a meeting with area residents to view first hand the lighting impact on the homeowners property;that parks commissioners and staff be invited to attend that meeting and that youth sports representatives be questioned as to how late the fields are needed during their expanded preseason meetings. Motion passed 6 - 0. 2 1 approved Minutes Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources r July 18 1994 B. RRauests from Hockey Association and Girls Athletic Association BE: Charitable Gambling. Ordinance and Other Forms of Fund Raising Options - Lambert indicated the Hockey Association issue was addressed by the City Council as they couldn't wait. The Girls Athletic Association (GAA) is looking for direction as to acceptable advertising they can commit to a corporation when they go out to corporations asking for donation to help pay for equipment or facilities. Lambert recommends that we don't put advertising signs on the fields. They've asked if a dedication plaque on a building would be acceptable and what our thoughts are receiving the profits from pulltabs in some of the bars. Hilgeman opposes gambling to support youth athletics in Eden Prairie. It's a poor example and sends a bad message to our youth. They can earn money through other means or wait for the City for the dollar support. They will get their equipment or facility eventually. It just might not be as soon as they want it. Koenig and Brown oppose the use of advertising in the parks. Lambert indicated that the Hockey Association is the only association approved to use gambling. Only 4 permits are allowed in the City. Lambert also explained the guidelines at the Community Center for advertising and producing revenue are different than the parks, MOTION: Moved by Popovich Lynch,seconded by Hilgeman to recommend the City Council deny extension of the use of gambling proceeds to fund recreation in the Eden Prairie Parks and that the Park Commission not support commercial sponsors for signage. Motion passed 5 - 1. C. Review Petitions for Bike Trails and Recommendation for 1995 Budeet 1. County Road 4 Trail 2, Bryant Lake Drive Trail 3. Scenic Heights Trail 4, Golf View Drive Sidewalk Cross stated that the City received four petitions for trails in 1994 and provided information outlined in her memo of July 14, 1994 on the subject of Trail Priority Rankings for 1995 budget. She also added that Bryant Lake Drive serves about 8,000 car daily at the 45mph speed. Wendy Meyers, 14327 Golf View Drive, represented the petitioners from the Golf j Vicw/Kingston area who are concerned about safety. She addressed the issues of excessive speed,blind spots on a relatively narrow,hilly road and the residents of the Kingston area not wanting sidewalks in their area. j 3 approved Minutes Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources July 18 1994 Cross addressed the Kingston area sidewalk issue. She indicated that once an area is developed without sidewalks it's hard to get them in since people tend to landscape all the way to the street. The solution would be to get more people to use the sidewalk and that could be done by connecting them to the school their children go to. This would certainly have a higher value over the landscaping needs and would put the trail higher on thy; priority list. They want the priority list to reflect those areas where people want trails Lambert thinks that if the City puts in the trail just where the Golf View residents want it, that they will receive a request later from the Kingston area requesting it be extended to their area; and this is really the best way to get sidewalks into an existing area--wait until they ask for them. t MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to follow staff i recommendation for County Road 4 trail from Mere Drive to the Minnetonka border a first priority for 1995 and that included in the 1995 trail budget would be the Scenic Heights road 300 foot segment; Bryant Lake Drive trail be budgeted for 1996 and Golf View Drive for 1997. Motion passed 6 - 0. V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Brentwood- Cross introduced Dick Putnam from Tandem Properties to make the presentation. He indicated they planned larger lots for the wooded area. These would be custom homes with a variety of styles and prices. What will help them monitor the development in the woods is tying the development into the building permits. No permits will be granted without approval and a site plan that , everyone will sign off on. In this way any violation of the building permit could result in construction being tagged or stopped. Scenic easements would be looked at on a site by site basis as the woods may be up by the house on one lot and 100 feet back on another lot. Commission Members main concern related to the easement and how it would be defined and monitored not only through development stages but for the following years as well and with subsequent owners. Putnam indicated they don't want to put in a restriction that neighbors think isn't in their best interest and they unite against the purpose of the easement. On a site by site basis, posts could be put in the ground to identify the line. Putnam also indicated that the easement is part of the title. Fox indicated that there needs to be continuity in the easement; something that people can understand and honor. Steel pins could be put in the ground to identify the line in the event the post is removed. Fox also expressed concern that we're dealing with a dynamic organism here and what may be a scenic view today may not be a scenic view in 10 years if natural regeneration is allowed to take place. Fox also thinks it make sense to vary the easement with each lot. 4 i Y 1 approved Minutes Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources (" July 18 1994 MOTION: Moved by Kube-Harderwijk, seconded by Brown to approve the Brentwood proposal as per staff recommendations, page 2, June 24,1994 report with the removal of the of the 25 foot easement plan and the addition of a lot by lot easement that is clearly marked on each lot. Motion passed 5 - 1. B. Bearpath Maintenance Building - Cross introduced John Vogelbacher from Sienna who presented the request for the Bearpath maintenance building. It will be a single story building on 1 1/2 acres of land. The 2000 finished square feet will house the shop, storage, offices and restrooms. Vogelbacher addressed the issues of screening, berming and landscaping as outlined in the Cross staff report of July 14, 1994. MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Brown to approve the Bearpath Maintenance Building per staff report of July 14, 1994. Motion passed 6 - 0. VI. OLD BUSINESS A. Community Center Entry Control and Locker Room Expansion Plan - Lambert presented the request for entry control and locker room expansion at the Community Center. Lambert elaborated on the studies done, revenue generation, background and plans for Scheme E as outlined in the agenda attachments. Lambert recommends 250 locks on all the plastic lockers, more showers and ; �. drains for every two shower stalls, Scheme E will eliminate the existing pool storage area; a small addition to the north side of the pool area could be built to accommodate pool storage. Adding a gym to the proposal would require a referendum as it would add 1 1/2 - 3 million to the cost. MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the recommendation of the proposed improvement of the Community Center as per staff memo of July 12, 1994. Motion passed 6 - 0. VII. NEW BUSINESS A. Review 1995 Capital Improvement Budget for park MaintenW= MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Koenig to continue the Capital Improvement Budget for Park Maintenance to the next meeting. Motion passed 6 - 0. VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF i A. Renorts_of Director of Parks. Recreation & Natural Resources I 1. Update on Par.% A,Gquisition - Lambert updated the Commission on the natural resources site acquisition as stated in his July 11, 1994 memo. 5 oi 41 „ci. , .. •>„ �::•„ ,.;: 1 r..,:,. . + .f ... _(,_r t� .i...✓. ..,.r. : s._ .a 1'a \k, ,ti t..W.,;+.:,,. .i "� .,t�.'Frl}71 y;, �1 Jiiy5�`�)fh 1e+.5.4�1 R(Ii�L. P! ;approved Minutes Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources July 18 1994 2. Memo from Roger Pauly,City Attomgp.RE U.S.Supreme Court Decision in Dolan vs Tigard - "FYI" from Lambert. 3. Security at Beamath -Memo from_ Jim Clark.Chief of Police- "FYI" from Lambert. 4. Condemnation Award of Commissioners for Philip R.Hill 12ro2e y-Riley Lake Park - "FYI" from Lambert. 5. Open Meeting Law - "FYI" from Lambert. B. Reports of Community Center Manager r 1. Request Authorizatign to Install Public Courtesy Phone at Community Center- Lambert stated it would cost about $600 annually; that the users will monitor themselves by reporting problems with other users to staff. MOTION: Moved by Hilgeman, seconded by Kube-Harderwijk to approve the courtesy telephone for the Community Center. Motion passed 6 - 0. IC IX. ADJOURNMENT Meeting adjourned 10:25 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Bev Draves Recording Secretary 6