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1990
FEBRUARY 5
MINUTES
CITY OF EDEN PRAIRIE
AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 1990 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL
7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford
Baker, Moe Cook, Karon Joyer, Paul
Karpinko, Brian Mikkelson, Pat Richard
COMMISSION STAFF: Robert A. Lambert, Director of Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources
7: 30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - DECEMBER 18 1989 AND JANUARY
8 , 1990
7 : 35 IV. PETITIONS REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
1. Discussion with Eden Prairie Basketball
Association
2. Eden Prairie Loves Its Kids Request
C3. Village Greens Petition to Cancel Requirement
for Sidewalk
4. Resident Request for Revision of Transportation
Refund Policy
8: 05 V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
1. Eden Place Center
2 . Century Bank Building
3 . Bluffs East 7th
4. Chi Chi 's Restaurant
VI. OLD BUSINESS
None
VII. STEW BUSINESS
None
8 : 35 VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
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A. Reports of Director of Parks. Recreation and
Natural Resources
1. Department Goals for 1990
2. Water Damage to Senior Center
3. Commission Member 1989 Attendance
B. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural
Resources
1. Tax Forfeited Lands
2. Earth Week - Environmental Issues
C. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services -1
1. Donation from Mike and Kathy Anderson
2. Staring Lake Amphitheater Policy Approved
Draft
3. Fall Swim Program Evaluations
4. Season Ending Reports
a. Racquetball - Winter 1989
b. Co-Rec Volleyball - Fall 1989
C. Men's 1125 and Over" Hockey - Fall 1989
d. Men's 1118 and Over" Hockey Fall 1989
e. Adult Volleyball Open Gym - 1988-89
f. Table Tennis - Fall 1989
g. 1989 Co-Rec Walleyball Holiday
Tournament
h. Monday Men's Gym Night 1988-89
i. Racquetball - Fall 1989
C. Reports of Community Center Operations Manager
1. Freon Leak at Community Center
2. Year End Report - Shelter Reservations
9: 10 IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
1. January 16 City Council Meeting
2. January 5 & 19 City Manager's Update
9: 15 X. 1987 GOLD MEDAL AWARD WINNER CITIES OF 100.000-
/ 25,000
9:40 XI. ADJOURNMENT
APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
C Monday, February 5, 1990 7:30 p.m. , City Hall
7600 Executive Drive
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT:
Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker, Moe Cook, Karon
Joyer, Paul Karpinko, Brian
Mikkelson, Pat Richard
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of
Parks , Recreation and Natural
Resources; Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation
Services; Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect; Stu
Fox, Manager of Parks and
Natural Resources; Lyndell
Frey, Recreation Supervisor
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7 : 30 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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MOTION: Mikkelson moved to approve the agenda as printed.
Cook seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - DECEMBER 18, 1989 and JANUARY 8,
1990
MOTION: Richard moved to approve the minutes of December
18 as printed. Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed
4-0. Cook abstained.
Breitenstein noted that her name was misspelled in the
January 8 minutes.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to approve the minutes of January
8 as amended. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 4-
0 . Mikkelson abstained.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Discussion with Eden Prairie Basketball Association
Refer to memo dated January 29, 1990 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
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Lyndell Frey introduced the members of the Basketball
Association who were present at the meeting: Ken.
Henderson, President; Dick Knutson and Bob Rylance,
board members.
Henderson said that he had been a member of the Eden
Prairie Basketball Association since 1986. At that
time, there were 186 boys participating and now there
are 402 . Between 1986-1989 there has been a 35% growth
each year in participation. The budget in 1986 was
$7900 and now it is $79 ,000. This is a volunteer
organization consisting of 45 volunteer coaches and
six board members. The program runs for 16 weeks,
uses 22 different courts and averages 92.5 gym hours
per week. The program is for boys from second grade
ti through ninth grade, the second grade group run as
a camp. There are 36 teams and the majority of the
effort is spent on the in-house program. There are
360 boys in the program this year and 474 are expected
next year or a 20% growth over the last five years.
Space for practice is at a premium and the average
boy gets about three hours of practice time per week.
Similar programs in surrounding communities average
C 3-12 hours per week. The association has had excellent
cooperation with the school district. The association
Put together a summer league for five Thursdays in I
August for 36 boys.
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Improvements which could be made in the program include
mail registration, a parity program with an evaluation
day. The association has added a "Junior Wolves" program
extension with the Timberwolves program.
Dick Knutson is in charge of the Junior Timberwolves
program. He commented that since Al Nuness lives in
the area, he has promoted not only selling Timberwolves
tickets, but also creating an interest in basketball.
21 communities participate in the Junior Timberwolves
Program with over 7000 youth. The program has been
able to provide youth and coaches with coaching clinics,
manuals, etc.
Knutson said he has spent over 180 hours involved with
basketball in 1989. The Junior Timberwolves Program
has helped with insuring that jerseys were received
before the first game and they have also provided
photography. The group has discussed the possibility
of buying in volume with other communities in order
( to save money. er
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Knutson said that the Timberwolves had an Eden Prairie
Night at a recent Timberwolves game. Letters were
sent out to the parents and the cost of a participating
child' s ticket was subsidized. Eden Prairie has 860
people present at the game. Knutson added that the
Jr. Timberwolves program is geared only to an in-house
program.
Bob Rylance distributed a copy of the Eden Prairie
Basketball Association ' s budget to the commission for
their information. The cost for the in-house program
was $26 in 1986 and $40 this year with no sponsors.
The cost for the traveling team was $25, in addition
to league registration and this year it is $30 additional.
The association pays for the boys to participate in
12 tournaments.
Knutson said that the decision was made in January
of 1989 to drop the sponsors and raise the fees for
the program.
Rylance said that the association has a difficult time
finding volunteers.
Baker asked if the courts the association uses are
all located in the school district and if any City
courts are used. Rylance said that the only City court
being used is Eden Lake in the summer.
Baker asked if it is felt that the allocation of court
time is fair. Henderson said that there is always
room for improvement in this area.
Baker said that given the time and space that is
available, does the association feel that they are
getting their fair share. Rylance said yes.
Henderson commented that there is a priority list for
court use and the basketball association ranks fourth.
Baker asked if the association pays for court time.
Henderson said that at this point they do not, but
if this did happen it would dramatically increase the
cost of the program.
Rylance commented that the association loses about
three weekends per year.• due to school holidays, as
there is no access to the school. He added that this
type of situation happens only in Eden Prairie.
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Cook asked how many games the traveling league plays.
Henderson said there is a minimum of nine metro and
15 additional games.
Cook asked how many of the high school varsity team
played on the youth traveling team. Rylance said that
there were three last year.
Cook asked if the high school coaches participate in
any of the clinics. Henderson said yes.
Karpinko asked if the traveling team is funded by the
in-house program. Knutson said no.
Cook asked if Eden Prairie is mentioned on the jerseys
worn by the team. Knutson said yes.
Cook asked if the traveling team gets more practice
than the in-house team. Rylance said that they do
in most cases.
Cook commended the basketball association on the mail-
in application and said he has heard many good comments
about Eden Prairie Night at the Timberwolves game.
Henderson said that some concerns the association has
for the future include gym space and the lack of volunteer
support. A statement of purpose will be provided in
the near future and the association will be coming
back to the commission with requests for more outdoor
facilities.
B. Eden Prairie Loves its Kids Request
Refer to memo dated January 30, 1990 from Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services.
Helling said that a flyer was included in the packets.
The Eden Prairie Figure Skating Club has requested
the City to provide free figure skating lessons to
Eden Prairie youth as part of this program. The club
would like the City to provide ice time. Three possible
options are: The City would provide the necessary indoor
ice time and waives the $77. 50/hour ice time fee; the
City would program this activity during one of the
scheduled skating hours at the Community Center; The
City would provide outdoor ice time at Round Lake Park.
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Staff recommends Option 3 which is to provide outdoor
ice time at Round Lake Park.
Helling noted that the promotional material for Eden
Prairie Loves its Kids has already gone out.
Baker said he feels that Option 2 should be considered
using the time that would inconvenience the least amount
of people.
Cook commented that some of the people that would be
participating in open skating would also be part of
this program
Richard asked about the time slots before and after
this time on Friday evenings. Baker commented that
the time would most likely be used for hockey.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend supporting the Eden
Prairie Loves its Kids Program and identifying the
ice time at the Community Center that will inconvenience
the least amount of people. Richard seconded the motion.
On call for discussion, Richard asked if several times
could be used instead of just one time slot.
Karpinko asked if this event should be planned one
year in advance.
Frey commented that open skating times on Friday night
are late for small children and that Saturday or Sunday
afternoon might be a better choice.
The motion passed 6-0.
C. Village Greens Petition to Cancel Requirement for Sidewalk
Refer to memo dated January 30, 1990 from Barb Cross,
Landscape Architect.
Cross said that 95 homeowners at Village Greens signed
the petition. In review of this issue, the following
events have taken place:
April 3, 1984 - The resolution was approved by the
City Council to install sidewalks to be installed along
with road construction.
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September 12, 1986 - Sidewalks were not installed and
the Council reminded the developer that sidewalks were
to be constructed with road improvements along Valley
View Road.
August 20, 1987 - Road improvements on Valley View
Road were completed. The developer never contacted
the engineer to coordinate sidewalk installation.
May 24, 1988 - The sidewalks were still not installed.
The City sent a letter to the developer asking for
a written request to the Council to waive the sidewalk
requirement or to install the sidewalks. Escrow funds
would be used if the developer failed to do this.
Of the 122 homeowners in Village Greens, 95 signed
the petition. 15 could not be contacted. At the time
of development, it was expected that there would be
small children in the neighborhood, but at this time
there are only six small children. Staff feels that
the sidewalk along Golf View Drive should still be
constructed since it is a public street and that the
requirement for the internal sidewalk be waived.
Richard asked what the cost will be for the sidewalk
along Golf View Drive. Cross said it would be
approximately $8000.
Mikkelson asked why the totlot at Village Greens was
never developed. Cross said that the totlot was not
really a definite plan, but a gazebo was constructed
instead.
Baker asked what the City's position will be in the
future if there are more small children in the area.
Lambert said there are private roads involved.
Baker asked what the citizens option will be at that
time. Lambert said it would be the responsibility
of the homeowner' s association.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of the Village
Greens petition as per the staff report that will require
a sidewalk along public streets, but not along private
streets. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 6-0 .
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D. Resident Request for Revision of Transportation Refund
Policy
Refer to memo dated January 30, 1990 from Laurie Helling,
Manager of Recreation Services.
Helling said that Betsy Mueller requested to cancel
her daughter out of the middle school ski trip for
the following day, as she had injured her arm.
The refund policy was updated recently and states that
refunds will be done on a pro-rated basis, but the
transportation policy was not changed.
Joyer said she feels that if there is a medical reason
for canceling out of a program, the request is reasonable.
Helling commented that changing the transportation
policy would also affect trips for senior citizens.
Richard said he does not understand staff' s recommendation
on refunds for transportation. Lambert said the
recommendation is to make the transportation policy
the same as the program refund policy.
Karpinko said that if a refund is given in this case,
we may be setting a precedent for the future.
Joyer said that since we are already honoring the program
refund policy, the transportation refund policy should 7
be the same and monitored in the future to insure that i
it is not abused.
Mikkelson said that program costs are variable, but
the transportation cost is fixed. He suggested a 50%
refund policy for transportation.
Cook said that the refund policy was changed only a
few months ago and now we want to change the rules
for the first person that comes in asking for a refund.
He feels the policy should remain the same for one
year and see how many complaints are received.
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend maintaining the refund
policy as it is. Karpinko seconded the motion and
it passed 5-1 .
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V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS
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A. Eden Place Center
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Refer to staff report dated January 5 , 1990.
Cross said that this request is for a Frank' s Nursery
and Crafts to be located next to Ciatti 's, west of
Glen Lane and south and east of Eden Road. There is
no tree loss or grading involved on the site and there
are no wetlands.
Many concessions were made for the outdoor sales and
displays. This included a 12 ' brick screen wall which
will be built across the rear portion of the outdoor
sales and display area; window displays are proposed
across the front of the outdoor sales and display area,
but this area will appear as a continuation of the
retail strip center; the floor plan designates display
areas in the front, but large items such as fertilizer
will be stored under a roof on the side covered with
a lath house; the temporary poly house will not be
constructed and pallets and refuse will be kept in
the building. Sidewalks have been required along all
streets since this is the downtown area.
Joyer commented that most Frank' s Nursery and Crafts
stores do not do much with landscaping. Cross said
they have to meet City code.
Richard asked what type of policy the Planning staff
has about the downtown area. Lambert said they have
no control over what business decides to build in this
area as long as City code is met.
MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Eden
Place Center per staff recommendation. Mikkelson seconded
the motion and it passed 6-0.
B. Century Bank Building
Refer to staff report dated January 5 , 1990.
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The site is located in the southeast corner of Viking
Drive West and Hwy. 169. Cross said that the elevation
on this site is much higher than the Marriott. Three
5 ' retaining walls will be built and the developer
is being required to have keystone walls to match the
Marriott. There is no tree loss or wetlands involved
and sidewalks have already been installed.
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MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of the Century
Bank Building per staff recommendation. Karpinko seconded
the motion and it passed 6-0.
C. Bluffs East 7th
Refer to staff report dated October 20 , 1989.
This site is located west of County Road 18 and north
of Bluff Road. There will be 81 caliper inches of
tree loss or 26%. Grades meet the 3-1 slope. There
is no shoreland ordinance requirement or wetlands
involved. Sidewalks will be installed as part of a
City project.
A MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Bluffs
East 7th per staff recommendation. Joyer seconded
the motion and it passed 6-0. ~
D. Chi Chi's Restaurant
Refer to staff report dated January 19 , 1990.
CThis site is located in the southwest corner of Middleset
Road and Crystal View Road near Burger King. There
is presently a 2-1 slope, but there are plans for a
4 ' retaining wall to minimize the slope. 23 caliper
inches of trees will be added to meet City requirements.
Because of the power lines, all trees have to be 15 '
tall or less. Since this site is located in the downtown
area, sidewalks are required on all frontages.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to recommend approval of Chi
Chi ' s per staff recommendation. Mikkelson seconded
the motion and it passed 6-0.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
None
VII. NEW BUSINESS
None
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VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources
1. Department Goals for 1990
Refer to memo dated January 31, 1990.
This is an information item only.
Richard asked if the Parks, Recreation and Natural
Resources Commission will be setting goals and
objectives for 1990. Lambert said that the commission
did not meet with the City Council in 1989, but
may want to do so as early as possible in 1990.
Richard asked if the City will be selling trees
to residents as part of Earth Day. Lambert said
they did several years ago. Fox said that only
50 trees were sold the last year.
Joyer asked if a committee will be formed to improve
the services of the adaptive recreation program.
Lambert said that this is one of Beth Timm's goals.
Richard asked about the possibility of using Prairie
View School ' s field for soccer. A discussion followed
on the condition of the fields, liability concerns,
etc.
MOTION: Richard moved to request that the City
Council have a joint meeting meeting with the Parks,
Recreation and Natural Resources Commission as
soon as possible in 1990. Joyer seconded the motion
and it passed 6-0 .
2. Water Damage to Senior Center
Refer to memo dated January 29, 1990 from Bob Lambert,
Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources.
This is an information item only.
3. Commission Member 1989 Attendance
This is an information item only.
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B. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources
1. Tax Forfeited Lands
Refer to memo dated January 10, 1990 from Stu Fox,
Manager of Parks and Natural Resources.
Fox said that a list of tax forfeited lands was
received in November from Hennepin County. Nine
parcels were on the current list which has already
been forwarded to the City Council. Recommendations
were made based on prior experience. There are
four options: claim the land for public use; put
the land back on auction; auction the land to the
adjacent property owner or put on hold for further
evaluation. The City will claim three parcels
for public space along Industrial Drive and another
at the intersection of Valley View Road and Duck
Lake Road. Others will be auctioned off or sold
to adjacent property owners.
Cook asked if the City will collect the unpaid s
specials on Parcel 8. Fox said this parcel is
buildable and can be divided into four lots. x
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2. Earth Week - Environmental Issues
Refer to memo dated January 29, 1990 from Stu Fox,
Manager of Parks and Recreation.
Stu Fox is the staff liaison to the Earth Day
Committee. Dick Anderson has requested that the +
Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission
meet with the Waste Commission to brainstorm on
ideas for Earth Day.
Baker asked if a volunteer is needed for the Youth
Development Board. Fox discussed the plans the
group has which include planting 2000 trees. The
Builders Association of Minnesota has contacted
the City about supplying the tree seedlings through
the Viking Boy Scout Council to be planted on public
property. Paul Maravelas, Historic Programmer,
has proposed hosting an environmental day at Cummins-
Grill to highlight the environmental issues of
the 19th century. The school district has also
been notified. d
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C. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services
1. Donation from Mike and Kathy Anderson
Refer to memo dated January 31, 1990 from Lyndell
Frey, Recreation Supervisor.
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This is an information item only.
Frey said that the Anderson family was named
the Tennis Association's Family of the Year
for 1989.
MOTION: Karpinko moved to recommend that a
letter of congratulations be sent to the
Anderson's. Cook seconded the motion and it
passed 6-0.
2. Staring Lake Amphitheater Policy Approved Draft
This is an information item only. The policy
/ has been approved by the City Council.
3. Fall Swim Program Evaluations
This is an information item only.
The commission discussed program registration
and the availability of private swimming lessons.
4. Season Ending Reports
a. Racquetball - Winter 1989
b. Co-Rec Volleyball - Fall 1989
C. Men' s 1125 and Over" Hockey - Fall 1989
d. Men's 1118 and Over" Hockey - Fall 1989
e. Adult Volleyball Open Gym - 1988-89
f. Table Tennis - Fall 1989
g. 1989 Co-Rec Walleyball Holiday Tournament
h. Monday Men' s Gym Night 1988-89
i. Racquetball - Fall 1989
These are information items only.
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C. Reports of Community Center Operations Manager
1. Freon Leak at Community Center
Refer to memo dated February 1 , 1990 from Tom
Eastman, Supervisor of Operations.
This is an information item only.
2. Year End Report - Shelter Reservations
This is an information item only.
IX. REPORTS OF CITY COUNCIL
A. January 16 City Council Meeting
There was no report
B. January 5 & 19 City Manager's Update
This is an information item only.
X. 1987 GOLD MEDAL AWARD WINNER CI -0
TIES OF 100 00 250,000
This item was tabled until the next meeting.
XI. ADJOURNMENT
As this was the end of their term as members of the
commission, Moe Cook and Brian Mikkelson were commended
for their service.
MOTION: Cook moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:35 p.m.
Mikkelson seconded the motion and it
passed 6-0.
Respectfully submitted,
Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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