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HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 10/02/1989 ,. �r _. .......... _ i i; r 1989 ,1 • •�7; OCTOBER 2 MINUTES PRAI'OCITY OF ED ENIE ( AGENDA EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION MONDAY, OCTOBER A, 1989 7:30 P.M. , CITY HALL COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker, Moe Cook, Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko, Brian Mikkelson, Pat Richard COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation & Natural Resources 7 :3 0 1. ROLL CALI. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 7:35 III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 18, 1989 IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS & COMMUNICATIONS 7:40 1. Reauest from Eden Prairie Foxiets V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS / 7: 50 A. Sandy Pointe 8:00 B. Tech 10 VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS None VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources 8: 10 A. Trail Connection at Larkspur Lane 8:20 B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Serycies 1. Season Ending Reports a. Men's Volleyball 1988-89 b. CO-Rec Broomball Winter 1989 C. Winter Walleyball 1989 d. Spring Walleyball 1989 e. Spalding Invitational Softball Tournament f. Smacauetball Winter 1989 g. Table Tennis Winter 1989 r h. Men's Boot Hockey 1989 \ i. Senior Men's Hockey 1989 j . Men's 1125 & Over" Hockey Winter 1989 k. Men's 1125 & Over" Hockey Spring 1989 1. Senior Men's Hockey Spring 1989 M. Men's Broomball 1989 n. Men's 5-Man Basketball 1988-89 8:25 IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS 1. September 19, 1989 Council Meeting 2. City Manager's Update September 22 1989 8:30 X. ADJOURNMENT s i I i I IXPPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Monday, October 2, 1989 City Hall 7:30 p.m. COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Bud Baker (late) , Moe Cook, Karon Joyer, Paul Karpinko, Pat Richard (late) COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Brian Mikkelson COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources; Lori Helling, Recreation Manager I. ROLL CALL The meeting was called to order at 7 :30 p.m, by chairperson, Pat Breitenstein. II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION: Joyer moved to approve the agenda as printed. Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. C III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 18, 1989 MOTION: Cook moved to approve the minutes as printed. Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 3-0. Joyer abstained. IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS A. Request from Eden Prairie Foxjets Refer to memo dated September 28, 1989 from Bob Lambert, Director of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources and letter dated September 19, 1989 from the Eden Prairie Foxjet Swim Club. Lambert said that a letter was received from the Foxjets requesting extending their rental period for an extra one-half hour from 7: 30 to 8 :00 p.m. The additional time was taken away from them in 1987 when the Eden Prairie Girl ' s High School Swim Team requested extra time. At this time, the Foxjets have over 120 children in their program. Lambert reviewed the priority use of time as established by the City Council . If additional time were given to the Foxjets, this would take time away from open swimming. Other than for one time events, the policy on maintaining open swimming and open skating periods f has not been changed since the Center opened. i r .APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 -2- N.Lambert said he understands the position of the Foxjets, but he does not believe in cutting into open swim time. The average number of people during open swimming is 32 per evening during the week. Giving extra time for use of three lanes at 25 meters to the Foxjets would take away the availability of the diving well from swimmers. Bernie Weber, President of the Foxjets, and Tad Hauck, Head Coach, were present at the meeting. Weber said that the club began with 30 swimmers two years ago. At that time, they also incurred a $7000 debt for pool rental. Last year, the club placed second at the state level and this year they have 53 new swimmers _ over the 60 they had one year ago. Their debt is almost clear and they are requesting an additional three lanes only thru November 17 . Cook asked if most of the members of the club live in Eden Prairie. Hauck estimated that 80 to 90% of the members live in Eden Prairie. Richard commented that he is impressed with the quality of coaching for the club. He feels that it would be necessary to close the diving board if the club were swimming in front of it. However, he suggested using an additional one or two lanes and swimming yards instead of meters. Lambert said he feels that this would make sense but questioned how long it would take to change from meters. Hauck said it takes about 7-8 minutes to change markers so this would not be a problem. Lambert added that if five lanes and the diving board were available for open swimming, there should not be a problem with keeping the open swimming period in tack. i Hauck said that this arrangement would be acceptable to the club. I MOTION: Richard moved to recommend allowing the Foxjets Swim Club use of the three lanes closest to the seating area from 7:30 to 8 :00 p.m. weekdays until November 17 , 1989. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. APPROVED MINUTES l' EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 -3- V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS A. Sandy Pointe Refer to memo dated September 29 , 1989 from Barb Cross, Landscape Architect and staff report dated September 22, 1989. Bob Smith of Krueger & Associates was present at the meeting to review the proposal. Smith introduced Jim io Zachman of Sandy Pointe Partnership. r. The site is located south of Red Rock Lake, east and west of Corral Lane. The proposed development is for 13 lots on 11.2 acres. Several neighbors have expressed concern about the development. They feel that Corral Lane should end in a cul-de-sac and the developer is reducing the number of lots by one because of their concern for a better transition. City staff has suggested a sidewalk on the west side of Sandy Pointe and a trail connecting to Corral Lane. 21 caliper inches of trees will be replaced. i Cross reported that all lots meet the shoreland management ordinance. Total tree loss is 16.5% and they will replaced per the tree replacement ordinance. A sidewalk will be constructed on the west side of Sandy Pointe Road and staff is also recommending a trail connection in the right-of-way to reach the outlot and proceed ' to Co. Rd. 4. She said it is her understanding that j the two developments will share a common association. Smith added that the two developments in this area will be independent associations. Zachman commented that at the present time, the residents have use of the entire beach and, hopefully, this will continue. Cross added that the original homeowner's association had proposed that the City purchase the parkland and lakeshore all the way to the City park in Boulder Pointe. Richard asked why the City wasn 't interested. Lambert said it would have been too expensive to acquire this land. i • r ' k r. 1 APPROVED MINUTES r EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 `r -4- Cook asked if an easement will be necessary on the south end of Sandy Pointe for an asphalt trail. Cross said that it is currently platted as a right-of-way so this will not be a problem. Lambert indicated that the connection to Corral Lane should be a 5 ' sidewalk rather than 8 ' asphalt. Cook asked if anything needs to be included in the recommendation about the two homeowners associations. Cross said the City has no control whatsoever over this. MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Sandy Pointe per staff recommendation. Richard seconded the motion and it passed 4-0. B. Tech 10 Refer to memo dated September 29 , 1989 from Barb Cross, Landscape Architect and staff report dated September 8, 1989. Bob Smith of Krueger & Associates reviewed the proposed development. The site is located west of Golden Triangle Drive north of 74th St. The developer is proposing a 74 ,000 sq. ft. office/warehouse on 5.6 acres. The entire west side of the site will remain in its natural state. 22% of the existing trees will be removed and the developer will replace 268 caliper inches in Tech 10 and 545 caliper inches in Tech 9. There is an 8 ' bituminous trail along the entire length of Golden Triangle Drive. Cross said that the grading on this site will be quite severe as indicated with the 70 ' grade change because of a hill. At one point on the site, there will be a 50 ' cut and 10' of fill. Cross added that she shows a 41. 5% tree loss. Smith said that his numbers were calculated using not only Tech 9 and 10 , but with the entire site considered as one development. He added that the eastern portion of Golden Triangle Drive was originally a gravel pit. Cross said that the developer has done all that is possible to preserve trees. The Planning Commission has approved this development. She added that there is an opening along the existing trail. I , L : APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 \ -5- Smith said that this opening in the trail will be completed with this project. Cross added that the City would like the floodplain to be dedicated to the City sometime in the future to use for a trail connection. Smith said this area will definitely be dedicated to the City. There are approximately 20 acres of floodplain on this site. Because of the configuration of the site some filling has to be done within the floodplain. This will require the approval of the Watershed District, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the DNR. Following these approvals, this land will be dedicated to the City. Cook asked if it is usual practice to accept the tree replacement policy with the total PUD. Cross said it usually does not happen this way. Lambert added that when Tech 7 was approved, a significant amount of open space was dedicated to the City. Smith j said that 4+ acres was dedicated at that time. Lambert said he feels that it should be redefined that the entire area at the original Tech 7 building will be dedicated to the City as permanent open space. Smith said he believes this has already been dedicated. Lambert said that staff discussed the type of tree credits that should be given. Hoyt committed to preservation of the hill before the tree replacement policy was in effect. Lambert said he feels it would be unfair not to give credit for this development. Smith added that the land which was dedicated to the City was worth in excess of $1 million which is much more than the value of the trees. Cook asked if the City has documentation for committment of dedication of the floodplain. Cross said it is in the public record of the PUD approval hearing. Cook asked if there would be a link in the trail at this time. Lambert said no. Smith added that the tennants in Tech 10 have already signed a 20 year lease. MOTION: Richard moved to recommend approval of Tech 10 per staff recommendation. Baker seconded the motion C and it passed 5-0. 'i APPROVED MINUTES C EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 -6- VI. OLD BUSINESS None VII. NEW BUSINESS None VIII. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF A. Reports of Manager of Parks and Natural Resources 1. Trail Connection at Larkspur Lane Refer to memo dated September 27, 1989 from Stu Fox, Manager of Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources. Lambert said that this would connect the bituminous trail on Outlot B, Meadow Park with the 8 ' wide bituminous trail on the west side of Neill Lake. There is about a 450 ' gap in the trail at this point and the Preserve Homeowner' s Association told the City it would be required to get approval of 75% of all members in the association in order to grant this easement if there were no objections. One resident objected to the trail connection and the association did not want to expend the time and money necessary to take a vote. The City has been mowing the land in between the trails. Staff is recommending that this issue be turned over to the City attorney to begin condemnation proceedings. MOTION: Joyer moved to recommend that the issue of a trail connection at Larkspur Lane be referred to the City attorney to begin condemnation proceedings. Karpinko seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. C APPROVED MINUTES EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, REC. & NATURAL RESOURCES COMM. Oct. 2, 1989 C -7- B. Reports of Manager of Recreation Services 1. Season Ending Reports a. Men' s Volleyball 1988-89 b. Co-Rec Broomball Winter 1989 C. Winter Walleyball 1989 d. Spring Walleyball 19$9 e. Spalding Invitational Softball Tournament f. Smacauetball Winter 1989 g. Table Tennis Winter 1989 h. Men' s Boot Hockey 1989 i. Senior Men' s Hockey 1989 j . Men' s 1125 & Over" Hockey Winter 1989 k. Men' s 1125 & Over" Hockey Spring 1989 1. Senior Men' s Hockey Spring 1989 M. Men' s Broomball 1989 n. Men' s 5-Man Basketball 1988-89 These are information items only. Breitenstein asked what is smacquetball. Helling said it is a cross between racquetball and handball. IX. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING A. September 19 , 1989 Council_ Meeting Lambert said that the City Council had the first reading of the new snowmobile ordinance. The second reading will be at tomorrow night ' s meeting. B. City Manager ' s Update - September _22, 1989 This is an information item only. X. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Joyer moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:30 p.m. Cook seconded the motion and it passed 5-0. RelspectfulRly, submitted, ( Lois Boettcher Recording Secretary i