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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, AUGUST 17, 1987 7:30 P.M. CITY HALL - 7600 EXECUTIVE DRIVE
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson; Raiford Baker,
• Moe Cook, Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer, Brian
Mikkelson, Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community Services
7:30 I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 6, 1987
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
7:35 A. Request from Stan Tekiela
B. Request from Bill Safford
C. Request from Robert Bjorkland, Pres. New Concept Homes
V. DEVELOPMENT_PROPOSALS
C 7 :40 A. Wyndham Crest
8:00 B. Fountain Place
8:20 C. Southwest Crossing II
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS, BOARDS & STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Community Services
8.40 1. News Article re: Preservation of Oak Trees During
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8.45 2. Report on Storm Damage to Park System
B. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation
8.50 Proposal for Child Care Services at Community Center
9:00 C. City Council Report of August 4, 1987
VII. OLD BUSINESS
9:05 A. Park Use Ordinance Amendment
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9:10 B. Contract for Grading Eden Lake Park, Willow Park and
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9:15 C. Tennis Court Bids
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
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9:20 IX. ADJOURNMENT
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EDEN PRAIRIE PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Monday, August 17, 1987 7:30 p.m. , 8600 Executive Drive
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Pat Breitenstein, chairperson;
Bud Baker (late) , Moe Cook,
Gary Gonyea, Karon Joyer
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Brian Mikkelson, Charles Shaw
COMMISSION STAFF: Bob Lambert, Director of Community
Services; Rick Bolinske, Superintendent
of Recreation
I. ROLL CALL
The meeting .was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by chairperson,
Pat Breitenstein.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Joyer moved to approve the agenda as mailed. Cook seconded
the motion and it passed 4-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JULY 6, 1987
MOTION: Gonyea moved to approve the minutes as mailed. Joyer
seconded the motion and it passed 4-0.
IV. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
A. Request from Stan Tekiela
Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director
of Community Services.
Lambert said that Mr. Tekiela brought a problem to the staff's
attention of people dumping trash on county parkland in northern
Eden Prairie near Birch Island Road. He showed the location of
the site on a map of the city. This problem has been going on
for many years and although both the City and the County have
cleaned up the area on several occasions, people persist in
dumping their trash here.
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Mr. Tekiela is requesting that the City contact the County to
see if they would consider donating that parcel of land to the
City for park purposes. Lambert said he feels it is a good
idea since at least 20 acres of the 34 acre parcel are marshy
with the remainder being steep and wooded.
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Lambert said that although the county has not made a commitment,
he feels they would consider the request if the City sent them
a formal letter. He added that 50 acres directly across the
street from the site was dedicated to the City by the County.
Baker asked who would be responsible for maintenance costs on
site if it were dedicated to the City. Lambert said it would
be the City's responsibility to maintain the site. He added
that the site does not need improvements at this time, but
will make a nice addition as a connection to Birch Island Park.
MOTION: A motion was made by Cook to ask the City Council to
send a formal letter to the County that this parcel of land
and any other County owned parcels of this type be dedicated
to the City. Baker seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
B. Request from Bill Stafford
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Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Barbara Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect.
Lambert said that Mr. Stafford owns a single family residence
adjacent to Red Rock Park and would like to fill in the back
of his yard which would also involve filling in some of the
park area. The reason it is being brought before this commission
is because of the grading involved. A grading plan has been
done and Lambert said Mr. Stafford has been very cooperative
in working with staff.
Lambert said he feels this request makes sense although 'staff does
not want to set a precedent by allowing this .to .be done. . The
six considerations stated in this memo were all important, but the major
reasons for appanval .ire: the homeowner I*. b-i.ng consistent with
other properties, the grading does not cause drainage problems,
the homeowner will revegetate the area and is not causing the
property to be less useable to the public. For these reasons,
staff recommends approval.
Cook asked what is the height of the retaining wall. Stafford
said it is about 4-5 feet tall. Lambert added that the retaining
wall is already in place and ready for fill. No
drainage problems are anticipated and this has been reviewed by
the Engineering staff.
Gonyea asked what recourse the City would have if another home-
owner does this without permission. Lambert said' if any damage
was done to City property, the City would have a cause to require
repairs.
Baker asked Lambert to address numbers 4 and 5 in the memo.
Lambert said this was based on the original grading plan which
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has been revised. Lambert said he is not concerned with the
shrubs since the owner will resod the entire site to stabilize the slope.
Baker asked if this issue has been reviewed by the Engineering
Department. Lambert said yes.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of Mr. Stafford
request per staff recommendations which are:
1. Grading on City parkland is designated wetland only.
2. The property owner is not removing significant vegetation.
3. The property owner is commiting to sod all City property
that is affected.
4 Grading is not causing any change in the drainage pattern.
5.. The request has been reviewed by the City engineering staff
who have approved it.
6. The City will require written permission from any property
owner that is affected.
Mr. Staffordpresented the written permission as requested to
the commission at the meeting.
The motion was seconded by Gonyea and passed 5-0.
C. Request from Robert B�orkland, President New Concept Homes
Refer to memo dated August 13, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director
of Community Services.
Lambert reviewed the request from Mr. Bjorkland which is to
formally name the park known as Hidden Glen Park to Wyndham
Knoll Park. Lambert said he feels this is a good suggestion,
as the park is located on a knoll and not a glen and can be
confused with Hidden Ponds PaA. Also, the development of the
park is tied to the Wyndham Knoll subdivision.
MOTION: Joyer moved to recommend approval of Mr. Bjorkland's
request to name the park Wyndham Knoll Park. Gonyea seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
V. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS '
A. Wyndham Crest
Refer to memo dated August 13, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services and staff report dated July 24, 1987.
Lambert said this proposal has been before the Planning Commission `
and the City Council, but the Council requested that the Parks
and Recreation Commission review it because of the large amount
of trees that are proposed to be removed and to examine the trail
plan.
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Mr. Don Patton of the Burl Corporation was present at the
meeting to review the proposal. Mr. Patton showed the site
location which is we3t of Purgatory Creek and east of Tristram
Way. The subdivision consists of approximately 28 acres and
24 single family lots. The lots are 60-75% sold at this time
and homes in the area will be in the $150,000 to $250,000 range.
Lot 39 was removed because of the wetlands surrounding it.
Breitenstein asked if the portion of Dell Road shown is under
construction. Patton said yes and that the road should be
completed this fall.
Patton said the preliminary plat was approved by the Planning
Commission and the Watershed District. The corner lots have
been changed to comply with minimum 100 foot setback. The 100
year flood elevation is at 875. Patton said that the developer
worked with two designers in order to minimize the amount of
tree loss.
Lambert said there are two major issues regarding this proposal.
One is the trees. The entire area is on a knoll surrounded by
large trees. 55% of the large oak trees will be lost and 32%
of overall tree loss. A portion of this site lies within the
Edenbrook Conservation Area. Lambert showed an aerial photo
of the site.
Baker asked if there is a trail access from this point to the
neighborhood park. Lambert said yes.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of Wyndham Crest per
staff recommendation. Baker seconded the motion.
On call for discussion, Cook said that because of the quantity
of trees being removed all trees should be marked carefully
and the site monitored closely by City staff.
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Patton said they plan to build a retaining wall right after
grading is done and developers try to build homes around existing
trees as much as possible since this adds value to the lots. He
added that they are working with staff on a satisfactory tree
replacement policy.
Lambert said he thinks it is interesting what surrounding cities
are doing to minimize tree loss in development projects. He
added that it may be the developer's intention to save trees,
but it takes only one careless bulldozer driver to damage many
( existing trees. He knows of a number of cases where this has
happened and the developer is being held responsible.
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The motion passed 5-0.
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B. Fountain Place
Refer to memo dated August 12, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services and staff report dated July 24, 1987. �
Lambert said that the proposal is for the construction of apartment
buildings and the major issue relating to parks is that the site
is located on the southern boundary of the Purgatory Creek Recreation
Area. Also, the apartments will be very visible from Hwy. 169.
Paul Fjare, representing the Cherne Corporation, was present at
the meeting.
Mr. Fjare said the site has been known as the Cherne property. He
showed its location which is west of Hwy. 169 and north of Columbine
Road. The site is located on approximately 60 acres, 29 acres of
which will be used for the construction of apartment buildings and
the remaining 31 as an outlot and road right-of-way. Fjare added
that when the extentsion of Columbine Road is completed, it may
be used to reroute traffic during the construction of Hwy. 169.
Fjare said the proposal is for the construction of six apartment
buildings with a total of 490 units including a community center
with both indoor and outdoor pools. A 5' sidewalk and 8' bituminous
trail are proposed along Columbine Road. About 90% of the existing
trees will be preserved.
Lambert said grading is being done on the steep slope; however, most
of the vegetation is located in the middle of the slope which is
being preserved. The yellow line shown on the map depicts the
trail that will be constructed by the developer and maintained by
the City. This trail can be used by the public. The developer
will be paying cash park fee and the land located in the floodplain
has been put into an outlot and will be dedicated to the City in
the future. Lambert said that the City Council had authorized him
to write to residents of the City about donating any land located
in the floodplain to the City.
Baker asked how the construction of these apartment buildings will
affect the appearance of the recreation area. Fjare said that
the developer has considered the type of buildings, vegetation to
be preserved, etc. in order to minimize impact.
Baker asked what effect the buildings would have on the site. Fjare
said you definitely will see them. Lambert added that this site
is meant to be an urban park and regardless of which direction you
look, buildings of some type will be visible.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of Fountain Place Apartments
per staff recommendation. Gonyea seconded the motion and it passed
5-0.
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C. Southwest Crossing II
Refer to staff report dated July 24, 1987.
Lambert reviewed the proposal by the Vantage Companies which is:
1. Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment on 109.68 acres
for 1.626 million square feet of building area.
2. Planned Unit Development District Review on 109.68 acres
with variances for building height and floor area ratio.
3. Zoning District Change from Commercial Regional to Office on
5. 13 acres for the construction of a 247,000 square foot
office building.
4. Board of Appeals variance requests for shoreland setback,
building height, impervious surface and impervious surface i
setback to the high water mark of Smetana Lake.
Kelly Dorn, representing Vantage Companies, reviewed the site which
is located north of Viking Drive and south of Smetana Lake on
109 acres. Other Vantage developments, Southwest Crossing I and
Crossroads Center are complete. Southwest Crossing I is 75%
C occupied at this time. The building size has been reduced by
120,000 square feet and the natural area has been increased. The
developer is in the process of extending the pedestrian pathway
to Golden Triangle Road and this should be completed this fall or
next spring.
Brian Carlson of Vantage Companies said they were given 14 acres
to design three buildings which has now been reduced to two buildings.
The development will have one major entry approach and plaza and a
parking deck which is below the elevation of Viking Drive. There
is no significant vegetation on the site. The buildings will be
10 and 14 stories high. Carlson showed drawings of the front entry
and lake side of the office buildings.
Dorn said grading will be done only within the boundaries shown
and there will be no modifications to the grading plan. It was
felt that reducing the development from three buildings to two
would enhance the shoreland setback. Phase 1 is within 95' of
the high water mark and Phase 2 is within 90' of the high water
mark. Staff requested and the developer agreed that there should
be a setback of 200' between structures and the high water
mark of Smetana Lake and Nine Mile Creek on all future structures.
In Phase 3 staff requests that there be an impervious surface setback
variance to allow 700 square feet of hard surface area within 50
feet of the high water mark of Smetana Lake.
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Lambert said that the developer has been working with the planning
staff and Engineering Department for the last six months on this
proposal. The initial concern was the setback from the lake. On
buildings of this height there is not a significant amount of
difference whether it is 90' or 200' if the transition can be made.
The west end of the lake was graded 10 to 15 years ago and the
east end of -the lake has significant vegetation that is worth
preserving. Lambert said he feels that this development makes a
very nice addition to this area as long as the requirements can
be met. The trails are in which gives the City some flexibility.
Cook asked how high the Southwest Crossing I building is. Dorn
said it is five stories high.
Cook asked what the drop is from the 95' setback. Carlson said
it is at 856.
Lambert asked what the 100 year flood elevation is. Carlson said
that it is 841.
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Baker said that when exiting 494 into Eden Prairie, one always
notices the Southwest Crossing and Wilson Learning buildings.
He asked if the parking lot will be visible. Carlson said that
75% will be screened. 1
Cook asked if there are any cash park fees connected to this
development. Dorn said the cash park fees have already been paid.
MOTION: Cook moved to recommend approval of Southwest Crossing II I
per staff recommendation. Joyer seconded the motion and it passed
5-0.
VI. REPORTS OF COMMISSIONERS ' BOARDS AND STAFF
A. Reports of Director of Community Services
1. News Article Re: Preservation of 0ak Trees During Construction
Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director
of Community Services.
This is an information item only.
2. Report on Storm Damage to Park System
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Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director
of Community Services.
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Lambert said that since the area has been declared a disaster
area, the City is eligible for grant funds which can be used
for the next six months. 75% of the money is federal, 15%
is state and the remaining 10% is from the City. The two
most expensive areas to repair are the old senior center
building which the City is listing as a loss and the Purgatory
Creek area. Purgatory Creek is higher than it has ever been
and a culvert north of Anderson Lakes Parkway is full of water
on one side and has barely six inches on the other side.
This is an information item only.
B. Reports of Superintendent of Recreation
1. Proposal for Child Care Services at Community Center
Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Rick Bolinske,
Superintendent of Recreation.
Rick introduced Rita Phelps who is the coordinator of the
Eden Prairie Community Center child care service. He also
distributed survey results which were compiled by Rita.
Rick said the survey was run for only about ten days and
all the results were positive. It is felt that 75% of the
costs for child care will be picked up from the daily fees
and that the number of memberships will pick up because of
this service.
Gonyea asked if the City needs additional liability insurance
to offer child care. Bolinske said the City does not need a
license, but he will look into liability insurance.
Lambert said the staff's concerns are what ages of children
should be accepted into the program and whether the noise from
this area will go into the office area. Also, having child
care available would take away one meeting room until 7:30 p.m.
daily. Lambert said staff feels child care should be tried on
an experimental basis and monitored for the next six months to
one year.
Gonyea asked if licensed daycare people are required to work
at the Community Center. Bolinske said no since this is not
considered a day care center. i
Rita said that she visited both the licensing bureau and Southdale
Y to gather information. Children can be kept for up to three
hours without licensing. A parent would have to be in the
building at the time. The Southdale Y uses payment cards so
all money is handled by the office only. Rita added that qualified
people are needed to work which can be the most difficult step.
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Rita said she is not concerned with the ages of children that
are accepted since she has cared for all ages.
MOTION: Baker moved to recommend approval of a child care
service at the Community Center on a trial basis. Cook
seconded the motion.
On call for discussion, Cook asked when the fall season begins
at the Community Center. Bolinske said the rush usually starts
in October. It was decided to report back' on the child care
service on November 1.
The motion passed 5-0.
C. City Council Report of August 4, 1987
Lambert reported that the City Council approved the following at
the August 4 meeting: grading contract for Willow, Lake Eden and
Homeward Hills Park and the naming of the road entry into Round
Lake Park to be Constitution Avenue. The Council denied the Naegle
sign request.
VII. OLD BUSINESS
A. Park Use Ordinance
Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services.
Lambert said that the concept language was approved by the commission
a couple of months ago.
MOTION: Gonyea moved to recommend approval of the language in Ordinance
#43-87 Joyer seconded the motion and it passed 5-0.
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B. Contract for Grading Eden Lake Park, Willow Park and Homeward Hills
Park
Refer to memo dated August 11, 1987 from Bob Lambert, Director of
Community Services.
Lambert said that this item was already approved by the City Council
and, therefore, requires no action.
C. Tennis Court Bids
Refer to memo dated August 12, 1987 from Barbara Penning Cross,
Landscape Architect.
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Lambert said that the resurfacing of the tennis courts was
approved in the five year capital improvement program. The
tennis courts involved are located at Eden Valley Park,
Edenbrook Park, Homeward Hills Park and Sterling Field.
Staff recommends approval of the bid of $73,073 from Plehal
Blacktopping.
MOTION: A motion was made by Baker to recommend acceptance of
the low bid of $73,073 from Plehal Blacktopping. Cook seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
-c MOTION: Joyer moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:35 p.m. Baker seconded
the motion and it passed 5-0.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lois Boettcher
Recording Secretary
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