HomeMy WebLinkAboutParks and Recreation - 05/04/2009 APPROVED MINUTES
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
MONDAY, MAY 4, 2009 7:00 P.M., OUTDOOR CENTER
13765 Staring Lake Parkway
COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Geri Napuck, Chair; Jeffrey Gerst, Vice-Chair;
Commissioners, Hutch Coburn, Derek Gunderson
and Joan Oko
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: Tom Bierman and Lee Elliott-S toering
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Andrew Baker and Michael Powell
COMMISSION STAFF PRESENT: Jay Lotthammer, Parks and Recreation Director
Laurie Obiazor, Recreation Services Manager
Stan Tekiela, Outdoor Center Coordinator
RECORDING SECRETARY: Carol Pelzel
I. ROLL CALLANTRODUCTIONS
The meeting was called to order by Chair Napuck at 7:00 p.m.
Napuck reported that this is the last meeting for the student representatives. On behalf of
the Commission, she thanked the students for their participation on the Commission.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Lotthammer asked that they move Outdoor Center Programming Update to VIII. New
Business after Outdoor Center Tour.
Motion: Oko moved, seconded by Gerst, to approve the agenda as amended. The motion
carried, 5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES —APRIL 6 , 2009
Motion: Gerst moved, Coburn seconded, to approve the April 6, 2009 Parks, Recreation
and Natural Resources Commission meeting minutes as presented. The motion carried,
4-0-1 with Oko abstaining because of absence from that meeting.
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 2
IV. REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL ACTION—APRIL 21, 2009
Lotthammer reported on the following City Council actions:
A. OBSERVATORY DONATIONS
The City Council accepted a$125,000 donation from Doug and Carolyn Kohrs to
assist with funding for the Staring Lake Outdoor Center Observatory. Kohrs and his
wife are very excited to support this project to give others the opportunity to learn
astronomy, science and mathematics. The Council also accepted a $10,000 donation
from Steve and Sue Mohn to assist with funding for the Observatory.
Lotthammer explained that the City Council is required by State law to accept all
donations to the City by Resolution. This obligates the City to use the donations as
designated.
B. ART CENTER DONATIONS
The City Council accepted a$3,200 donation from the Eden Prairie Lioness Club to
assist with funding for equipment at the Art Center with an additional $1,800 being
donated in January. The Lions Club also pledged money for this project to be given in
January.
C. PARK HOURS ORDINANCE (2ND READING)
The City Council approved the second reading of an Ordinance extending the hours
at Miller and Round Lake Parks. This allows the lights to remain on until 10:30 p.m.
D. OBSERVATORY CONTRACT
The City Council awarded the contract for Staring Lake Outdoor Center Observatory
to low bidder Hunerberg Construction. Lotthammer explained that Hunerberg asked
to withdraw his bid and not enter into a contract with the City. It was explained to the
bidder that by not entering into a contract they may forfeit their performance bond.
Proper procedures were followed by the City and the contract was awarded to the low
bidder. The City has given Hunerberg Construction until May 5 to sign the contract.
If they do not sign it, the bid will be awarded to the second lowest bidder. Even if
they go with the second lowest bidder, they do have sufficient donated funds to cover
those costs. Staff feels confident Hunerberg is a good contractor and believe they will
have a good experience with him should he sign the contract. The issue with the low
bidder is that the roof of the Observatory will pivot on a bearing and that will take
some time to get. It may take up to 30 weeks.
Gerst asked what the anticipated opening date of this facility is. Lotthammer
responded that worst case scenario, it should be finished in December.
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 3
E. PLEASANT HILL CEMETERY FENCING
The City Council awarded a contract to Midwest Fence for Pleasant Hill Cemetery
fencing. Pleasant Hill is a City owned and operated cemetery. The funds for this
fencing upgrade came from perpetual care funds and should be completed by
Memorial Day.
F. SENIOR AWARENESS MONTH
At the May 5 Council meeting the City Council will be reading a proclamation
declaring Senior Awareness Month.
V. REPORT OF PLANNING COMMISSION
Lotthammer reported that there were no items considered by the Planning Commission
that affected parks.
VI. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATION
VII. OLD BUSINESS
A. ROUND LAKE STADIUM GRAND OPENING - UPDATE
Lotthammer reported that the Round Lake baseball stadium grand opening occurred
on Saturday, May 2. This was held in conjunction with the Baseball Association
pancake breakfast fundraiser. This is a busy facility and City Staff is asking that they
back off of usage a little and that there be no practices held there. A good year of
growing is needed to make this a better facility. They do not want it overused so that
they have to spend a lot of money to get the turf back.
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
A. OUTDOOR CENTER TOUR
Tekiela presented the Commission with an overview of the Staring Lake Outdoor
Center building explaining the history and background of the facility. The building
was built in 1935 by the National Youth Association and was used as a recreational
hall by men working in the State Emergency Relief Program. The logs used to
construct the building were recycled telephone poles. The building was used from
1935 to 1945 and was sold to C.A. Bush who then rebuilt the building on this
location. In 1977 the City took over the facility and it became the Outdoor Center in
1988. They just celebrated their 201h year of operation.
Tekiela provided the Commission with a tour of the surrounding facilities explaining
the camps that will be run during the summer months. Last year they had 700 kids
registered for the various camps. He showed the Commission where the new
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 4
observatory will be located and where the bridge will be constructed to get to the
observatory and deck.
B. OUTDOOR CENTER PROGRAMMING UPDATE
Tekiela presented a PowerPoint presentation to the Commission explaining the
Outdoor Center's mission. He reviewed the various programs explaining that they
have had over 4,000 participants attend programs each year. They have over 40
summer camps with over 700 children attending each summer. They offer various
environmental programs as well as youth and adult lessons including cross-country
skiing, snowshoeing, fly-fishing, canoeing, kayaking and firearm safety. They also
offer adult adventure trips including backpacking, canoeing, birding, wildflower
hikes and tree identification. Tekiela reviewed the various group programs and
summer camps. The programs continue to grow and they will be starting their pre-
school summer camps the second week of May. The amenities are what make this
Outdoor Center such an outstanding facility. Tekiela stated that he also hires all of the
contract employees at the Outdoor Center and feeds and cares for all of the animals at
the Center.
Napuck asked if they would be offering any new camps this year. Tekiela responded
that four or five of the programs are new. Some of the programs have run their course
such as the Survivor Camp. They used to have to turn away people now they can't fill
up a full-day course so they have changed it to a half-day camp.
In response to a question from Gunderson, Tekiela explained that they do have a fire
arm safety course once a year. It is a nine-week program and is very popular. This
course is for 12 year olds and they do have one field day offsite. They also offered a
snowmobile safety program but there were not enough people interested so they
discontinued that program.
Napuck said the animal junction is a great addition to the facility. Tekiela said it was
a necessity because they were busting at the seams.
C. BALLFIELD MASTER LISTS
Lotthammer provided the Commission with some of the information Staff uses to
schedule ball fields. The grid included in the Commission's agenda material shows
the different types of fields, who the organizations are using the fields, the field size
and the total number of fields. The field scheduling is handled by the Adult Athletic
Coordinator. City Staff does the field maintenance and there is an extraordinary
amount of maintenance that takes place. For weekend tournaments, overtime is
charged back to the organizations holding the event. There is one full-time person
that works with a crew of seasonal employees that goes from field to field every day
to drag and line the fields, adjust bases, etc. For the next couple of years the fields are
fairly tight for the Athletic Association and the neighborhood parks are being used a
little more than they would like them to be.
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 5
Oko asked with the construction of Pioneer Trail, if the two fields by the dog park
will be open this year. Lotthammer responded that they will be reconfigured and will
be closed for this year. There is another 25 acres of land at Flying Cloud that Staff is
working with MAC for a long-term lease for one large baseball field and three soccer
fields.
D. PARKS AND RECREATION TRENDS
Lotthammer reported that Staff met last week with the City's Budget Advisory
Commission (BAC) and created a PowerPoint presentation showing the Parks and
Recreation trends. The BAC looks at operating budgets one year and capital budgets
the next year. This year they are focusing on operating budgets. Two years ago they
reviewed the Departments' structure and the following year they discussed capital
programs. Staff reviewed the trends the Parks and Recreation Department works with
on a daily basis. Fund raising is a very important aspect of the Department in that a
lot of money is contributed to 30 or 40 different areas. Lately, the Department has
received some major contributions and those contributions give them the ability to
enhance facilities and programs. It also allows them to keep those programs
affordable. Staff will continue to seek grants and donations. This money helps offset
operating costs and Staff will continue fund raising efforts.
Staff also presented information on volunteer hours. In 2008, volunteer hours total
12,413 for a value of$242,178. These numbers do not include the time that is
volunteered by the Athletic Associations, Lions Club or Rotary. The City does not
have a Volunteer Coordinator. These volunteer hours reduces operating costs to the
Department and enhances the quality of programs and services. Staff will continue to
recruit and utilize volunteers.
Lotthammer explained that during these economic times, people are staying close to
home and are looking at the programs offered by the Parks Department as affordable
and see them as a good value. They have seen increased participation in some of the
camp programs. These camp programs are offered at an affordable cost. Registration
for the various programs offered increased considerably from the previous year with a
total of 1,669 registrations on the first day. Staff anticipates that this trend will level
off and 2010 and 2011 registration numbers should be similar to 2009 numbers.
Obiazor pointed out that program registration numbers demonstrates the value and
need for recreation programs. She reviewed with the Commission the methods used
for registration explaining that they provide four different methods. Their goal for the
on-line registration program was to have 30 percent of the registrations occur on-line
and they exceeded that goal by 13 percent. Staff plans to phase-out the telephone
registration resulting in a savings of$3,000 in support costs. Staff will continue to
promote use of on-line registration.
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 6
Obiazor reviewed the Recreation programming cost recovery expectations. In 1995
the City Council approved the first ever recovery policy. In 2008 Staff recommended
adjusting some of the programs because certain programs were not able to meet the
cost recovery expectations. Those were programs Staff knew the City Council would
support continuing and included the 4"' of July celebration and the concert series. The
Council did approve adjustments to several programs and Staff will continue to
follow the cost recovery policy for recreation programs as approved by the City
Council in 1995 and adjusted in 2008.
Lotthammer reviewed recreation program cancellation. He indicated that this is not
always a bad thing. Staff can't always anticipate human behavior and how popular a
program will be. Some program cancellations improve cost recovery. Staff will
continue to monitor cancellation figures quarterly. They also modified the
cancellation policy and increased the cancellation fee.
Obiazor explained that the City does have a fee assistance program called Passport to
Fun. In 2008 they had over 400 individuals apply and qualify to use those funds. The
program requires the participant to contribute half of the program cost with the other
half being picked up by the scholarship. They have found that people who qualify for
the program still struggle with coming up with the matching money. Staff anticipates
an increase in applicants because there has been more awareness of this program in
the community.
Obiazor reviewed the outdoor skating rink use numbers explaining that the City has
nine sites including two regional sites. The Staring Lake and Round Lake sites
account for half of the total usage in the winter skating season. Even with the recent
reductions in recreation programs, they are still able to provide outdoor skating
opportunities by extending the hours at the regional sites and shortening the hours in
other areas. The attendance numbers did not justify keeping the facilities open longer
at the neighborhood parks.
Lotthammer reported on Riley and Round Lake beach usage. Because Riley Lake
gets more usage than Round Lake they cut guarding the beach at Round Lake during
the week. Staff has looked at maintaining what they have had in the past and hope to
give good public access.
Obiazor pointed out that the Adult Athletics program recovers 120 percent of its cost.
With the expansion of the Community Center, the basketball and volleyball leagues
have expanded. They do anticipate a reduction in the number of adult softball leagues
due to fewer fields because of road and field construction projects.
With regard to Community Center meeting room usage, Lotthammer reported that
they had a good year in 2008 and the budget numbers were better than projected.
Since facility rental did not become available until May 2008 Staff anticipates that
they will have a better cost recovery in 2009. They continue to look at some of the
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 7
non-prime times and will creatively market those times to various groups. Staff
anticipates a busy summer with 895 bookings already for June through August.
Lotthammer reported that for 2008 they have a Community Center membership
totaling 1,600 people. Currently, they have a membership of 1,700. Staff anticipates
that this will level off and they will be reaching the mode of retaining people. A big
attraction is the reimbursement program with insurance carriers. Staff believes they
will be able to gain a little more revenue but are close to maxing out membership.
Costs will continue to go up resulting in having to raise membership fees on an
annual basis in smaller increments.
Lotthammer reviewed indoor skating explaining it is now in full force and Staff
believes they will be able to capture more hours and more revenue for 2009 because
Rink 3 will be in use for a full year.
Lotthammer explained that in 2007 before the Community Center remodel the cost
recovery for this facility was at 47.9 percent. In 2008 they budgeted for 50 percent
cost recovery with actual being 64.7 percent. They anticipate capturing 70 percent for
2009. Staff is happy with those numbers but thinks they can continue to increase.
Staff will continue marketing and promotional strategies and establish repeat and
referral business.
Lotthammer reported on the maintenance of park land explaining that they have not
been at full capacity with manicured areas. In 2007-08 there were a number of park
facilities that were "off line" due to construction activity that are now back in full-
time use in 2009. They will continue to monitor the maintenance service level hoping
not to have to increase the maintenance budget. Staff does not plan to ask for more
staffing or money for this budget in 2010.
With regard to pavement management, Lotthammer explained that with the inventory
that was done in 2008, they will have a better knowledge of the condition of the
system. They will also have a better reading of what they should be doing to optimize
maintenance dollars. Napuck asked if the trail in Pioneer Park that extends to Staring
Lake was repaved differently than what is normally done since it is now a rough trail
rather than the smooth trail it had been. Lotthammer responded that a granite chip
overlay was put on that trail. This fills in the cracks and the chips extend the life of
the trail at a lesser cost.
Lotthammer reviewed the Deer Management Program stating that they do not believe
the deer population is out of control and feel they can forego the deer management
program for this year. In the past, this has cost$40,000 to $50,000. More than likely,
they will have to do some type of deer management in 2010.
Napuck asked for a more detailed explanation of in-kind donations. Lotthammer
responded that an example of an in-kind donation would be the $1 million building
that was donated to the City by the Sampson family for the Art Center. Another
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 8
example would be a donation of product such as art supplies or promotional items for
specific events, etc.
Referring to recreation program cancellation, Gunderson asked if this refers to any
particular league or do they not see as many participants as they had from previous
years overall. Lotthammer answered that 16 to 20 percent of the cancellations are a
part of doing business. A class might be very popular one year but when they offer
the same class the following year they may have fewer people interested allowing
them to combine classes. Participation continues to go up but in some instances they
see that not as many classes should be offered.
Lotthammer explained that the BAC did ask for all of the cost recovery numbers and
not just those that were changed by the Council. Staff did not receive any feedback
from the BAC with regard to their programming.
E. SENIOR CENTER UPDATE/OVERVIEW
Lotthammer explained that the BAC did make a motion affirming their original
motion to close the Senior Center on a vote of four to two. The Mayor, City Manager
and Lotthammer met with the Senior Council to discuss BAC's recommendation. The
Mayor indicated that prior to making a decision he would like additional information.
Staff reviewed a presentation they prepared for this Commission giving an overview
of the Senior Center. Should the City Council ask for additional information on the
Senior Center a presentation similar to what will be presented to this Commission
will be given to them. Staff will also ask the Senior Council to review this
information.
Obiazor presented an overview of the Senior Center explaining that the facility
consists of 8,000 square feet. She reviewed the rooms of the facility and described
their usage. In 2008 they had 11,000 participants; with 35 programs offered in the
month of May. They do partner with other senior service providers throughout the
community in offering programs. Total revenues for 2008 were $50,202 while 2008
expenditures were $280,329.
Obiazor said in speaking with users of the Senior Center, they indicated that to switch
facilities would be extremely difficult for existing customers. Oko said it is important
for seniors to have a familiar area and background. Lotthammer explained that if the
Senior Center were moved to the Community Center some seniors have expressed
that it would be very difficult for the seniors because it is difficult for them to interact
with younger people. Oko pointed out that there may also be additional liability
placed on the City. The two major activities at the Community Center involve
swimming and ice skating and this may be dangerous for the seniors. Kids naturally
move faster and quicker than seniors. Obiazor said another problem for the seniors
would be parking. Young people race in and out of the Community Center parking lot
and there is also heavy traffic from High School usage. Obiazor explained that the
seniors that use the Community Center are a different clientele from those that use the
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 9
Senior Center. The Community Center seniors are more physically active and the
Senior Center seniors are usually attending social functions.
Obiazor explained that Staff is constantly looking at how they can be more cost
effective and efficient with the operations of the Senior Center. They have reduced
distribution of the newsletter from six times a year to four times a year and they have
also reduced the number of newsletters mailed. Oko asked how many seniors use the
facility on a daily basis. Obiazor responded that there are 11,000 seniors that use the
facility throughout the year.
Lotthammer pointed out that one of the issues in using the Community Center for the
Senior Center is that during the summer during the day they do not have a single
room available. During the school year the rooms are booked in the evening but there
are some openings during the day. Lotthammer said he is not sure how they could
place the Senior Center into the Community Center. This may also cause the loss of
revenue because they would lose rental revenue for rooms at the Community Center
that would be used for senior activities.
Obiazor said it is healthy to have this discussion about the Senior Center. It would
have been more beneficial to the BAC if they had the information presented this
evening prior to making a recommendation. The recommendation was made without
any staff input. Lotthammer explained that this item will be presented to the City
Council on May 5 under the City Manager's report as part of the update on the
budget. It is possible staff may get direction from the City Council at that meeting.
Staff may be asked for more details and information.
Napuck pointed out that Eden Prairie has been designated as Number 3 on the list of
retirement communities. She suggested that this information be included in staff's
presentation as being appealing to seniors and for people who retire and stay in Eden
Prairie. She also stated that she does not understand the process of the BAC making
this recommendation without having all of the information. Lotthammer explained
that one of the BAC Commissioners is pushing very hard for the closing of the Senior
Center. There was enough support to pass the motion a second time.
Oko asked if the Quality of Life Survey recently completed included any Senior
Center information. Lotthammer responded that the BAC had not received that
information.
Gunderson said they have only heard of one option should the Senior Center be
closed and that is to move it to the Community Center. He asked what other options
would there be for relocating the Senior Center. Would other people or groups in the
community open up space for seniors to use during the day?
Powell asked what they are proposing to do with the Senior Center building if it is
closed. Lotthammer stated that one of the proposals was that the City could sell the
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 10
land and building to a developer for redevelopment. This would put the property back
on the tax roll and they could collect taxes for it.
Oko pointed out that the City took the Art Center building that was generating taxes
and she questioned how many people that facility will serve. It is her hope that Eden
Prairie is a value added community and the Senior Center does add value to the
community. Also, it is a terrible time to try and sell the Senior Center property. Oko
also questioned if the Community Center can handle the 11,000 participants the way
the Senior Center does. Lotthammer said it would not be able to do so during the
summer. There are some cost efficiencies in moving the Senior Center to the
Community Center but there would be added costs to the Community Center and not
a lot of added revenue. Powell said he does not think it would be profitable to sell the
Senior Center land. He works at the Community Center and does not believe it would
be beneficial to move the Senior Center to the Community Center because they would
have to pay wages to the people that would have to set up the rooms for senior
activities. Also, certain rental fees to the Community Center would be eliminated. All
of this needs to be taken into account and they may find that the additional costs and
lost revenue would probably exceed the value of the Senior Center land.
Napuck said she agrees with Powell and believes the seniors in this community
deserve their own place. The results of the community survey should also be taken
into consideration by the BAC. Gunderson said it is clear that programming for the
seniors is not a money maker and he does not think anyone is expecting that. Moving
this program to another facility will not offset that. The question is do they want to be
supporting seniors and he feels the answer is yes. Oko said they are talking about $26
for each senior to have a place to go. How can they say no to that and still be one of
the top ten places to retire. She suggested that staff's information show what the City
spends per person to use Riley Beach in comparison to what it costs per senior for the
use of the Senior Center. Oko said she finds it appalling that they are even discussing
this since it is such a small part of the budget. Gunderson said he finds it difficult to
understand how they can eliminate one facility without giving them other options or a
specific place in the Community Center.
IX. REPORTS OF STAFF
A. RECREATION SERVICES MANAGER
FYI: Kite Fest—May 16
FYI: Riley-Jacques Barn Twilight Special—May 16
FYI: Eden Prairie Players Rummage Sale—May 16
FYI: Art Center Grand Opening —May 26
B. COMMUNITY CENTER MANAGER
FYI: Live Well, Lunch Well—May 15
FYI: Spring Run for Fun—May 16
PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
May 4, 2009
Page 11
C. PARKS AND NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER
D. PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR
1. Appointment to Sports Facility Committee (3)
Motion: Motion Oko, seconded Gerst, to appoint Derek Gunderson, Joan Oko
and Tom Bierman, subject to availability, to the Sports Facilities Committee from
May 2009 to May 31, 2010. Motion carried 5-0.
2. 2009 Commission Work Plan
Lotthammer reviewed the Commission's work plan.
FYI: Board & Commission Banquet—May 13
X. NEXT MEETING
The next regular meeting of the Parks, Recreation and Natural Resources Commission is
scheduled for Monday, June 1, 2009 at 7:00 p.m. at the City Center.
X. ADJOURNMENT
Motion: Motion was made by Gerst, seconded by Oko, to adjourn the meeting. The
motion carried 5-0 and the meeting was adjourned at 9:17 p.m.