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CONSERVATION COMMISSION
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2008 7:00 PM CITY CENTER
Collaboration Room
8080 Mitchell Road
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Eapen Chacko (Chair), Ray Daniels, Laura Jester, Sean
Katof, Geneva MacMillan, Jan Mosman
STAFF: Leslie A. Stovring, Staff Liaison
Paul Sticha, Facilities Manager
Heidi Wojahn, Recording Secretary
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Vallari Ajgaonkar, Alexandra (Alex) Baumhardt, Michael
(Paco) Caughill
GUEST SPEAKERS: Greg Ackerson, Patrick Barribeau and Nate Nygaard —
McKinstry Company
Tim Goodman—Tim Goodman & Associates
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Chair Chacko called the meeting to order at 7:10 pm. Katof and MacMillan were absent.
Introductions took place a few minutes after the meeting began.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Approved as printed, no motion was taken.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Deferred to the next meeting.
IV. SPEAKERS
A. McKinstry—20-40-15 Phase II Project Proposal
Chair Chacko gave a very brief overview of the 20-40-15 Initiative, part of which calls
for the City to improve energy efficiency in its facilities. McKinstry Company, a
consulting firm specializing in construction, design, and facility services, has
recommended and implemented a number of projects to help the City achieve the goals
outlined in the 20-40-15 program (Phase 1). Company representatives were present to
update the Commission on the status of Phases 1 and to present a plan for Phase 2.
Daniels arrived at 7:15 p.m.
McKinstry evaluates and quantifies Facility Improvement Measures (FIMS) for review
and approval by staff and the Conservation Commission. The FIMS are then finalized
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and presented to the City Council. Phase II FIMS have already been presented to and
approved by staff.
Barribeau gave a quick status update on Phase I. A big portion of this phase included
replacement of exterior lighting at the City Hall and Education Center. He encouraged
attendees to check out the lights following the meeting. This is the same type of lighting
being used on the new 35W bridge. Some of the old-style lighting was left on the
pathways around the building for comparison.
Another part of Phase I addressed interior lighting. The existing 32-watt lamps were
replaced with 28-watt lamps. Most of the changeover is complete, but access in some
areas has been limited. It's just a matter of working out a time when that work can be
scheduled.
Another part is an upgrade of the control system and installation of an emergency
generator at Maintenance Building. In the Community Center pool and rink areas,
fluorescent lamp fixtures were added which provide better diffused light and eliminate
areas of shadow. . There is more flexibility now as to how many lights can be turned on.
So, for example, during maintenance of the ice with the Zamboni, a minimal number of
fixtures can be turned on. In addition, the old lamps needed time to warm up, whereas
this is not the case with the new lamps.
For Phase II the initial groundwork of identifying FIMS and gathering price quotes has
been completed and is ready to go forward for approval and implementation. Nygaard
introduced the recommended improvements for Phase II.
One project is to take the same type of LED lighting in the parking lot and use it on the
exterior of all City buildings. They're looking at as many different retrofit options as
they can. Some can lights, such as in atriums, do not have a good LED retrofit option at
this time. There's a lot of metal halide (white light) and high pressure sodium (yellow
light) currently being used. A typical metal halide lamp has an approximate lifespan of
20,000 hours; an LED lamp is rated to last up to 5 times longer than that.
The next FIM is to install a new desuperheater which is the heat exchanger coming off
of a compressor. Capturing that heat and putting it under the slab of ice rink#1 will help
prevent frost build-up which has caused the floor to heave in the past, which necessitated
costly repairs. The heat will come from the refrigeration system which is used to cool
the ice; therefore, no extra equipment, natural gas, or electricity needs to be added. This
also allows the compressor to run more efficiently and will help melt ice dumped by the
zamboni rather than having to use hot water.
Another plan is to install thermal solar collectors at the Community Center to heat the
pool. One of the main goals with this project is to help provide a community learning
environment. The solar system being considered has an Eagle 2 controller which allows
a data logger to be added onto it. Students will be able to track all sorts of live data with
this active equipment that can be incorporated into school science curriculum. A link
can also be added to the City's website.
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Ackerson relayed that the City Council was interested in the solar panel concept and
wanted to know specifically how we could leverage that into the education of our
children. Now that this solution has been developed, one of the next steps is to meet
with the superintendent to develop support and to outline specific educational activities
that might be pursued. Chair Chacko will work with Ackerson on this.
Nygaard continued saying that since residents have watering restrictions, the City should
also demonstrate being a good steward of water by installing water-saving devices
wherever indicated. McKinstry is working with Scott Neal and Paul Sticha on
developing a FIM to increase water-usage efficiency.
Power factor correction has to do with demand at the maintenance facility and the
amount of power coming in. Penalties are charged for low power factors. Installing a
capacitor bank will correct that problem, thereby eliminating penalties. Mosman asked
for an explanation of power factor. Barribeau explained that the impression exists that a
power company has to provide more power than what is actually needed. For example,
to Xcel Energy, if 20 watts of power is needed to do something, they have to put out 25
watts in order to make it happen. The difference is referred to as "dirty power". Xcel
starts charging penalties when the power factor is 0.9; the maintenance shop has been in
the 0.7-0.8 range. The capacitor evens that out and makes 20 watts look like 20 watts.
Discussion ensued on the idea of installing an emergency generator at the Community
Center to provide emergency lighting during a power outage to allow for a safe exit from
the building as part of Phase 2. It will also keep equipment such as ice compressors and
boilers running, so the expense of regaining lost ice doesn't become an issue.
Retro-commissioning was listed as a FIM for Phase 2 also. This is similar to a tune-up
for a car and consists of auditing all digital control systems to make sure they're
calibrated and that all sequences are working properly. Ackerson said that normally they
see a 5-20% reduction in energy consumption as a result of retro-commissioning efforts.
They expect Eden Prairie to be on the low end of that because the City's facilities are
already running fairly efficiently. The good new is that because this is a project that
Xcel takes great interest in, they are willing to pay 75% of the cost (this is an additional
25% on top of their normal offering of 50%). Mosman inquired if there are similar
opportunities like this made available to small businesses and residents. Ackerson
replied that he is not aware of anything currently open to residents, but Xcel does offer a
variety of rebates in different programs to its customers.
Ackerson presented a draft of the Rough Order of Magnitude FIM Matrix. One of the
keys to keeping the City's budget neutral is requiring a 15-year payback on average.
The current draft shows a budgetary range of 13-18 year--after numbers are tweaked and
finalized, this should end up in the 14-15 year range.
The payback isn't great in terms of the desuperheater either, but there is a utility savings
there. Sticha explained that the rink floor had to be rebuilt about 4 years ago to the tune
of $500K. So in addition to energy savings, there is a measurable benefit in risk
avoidance. Sticha described the complexity of rebuilding the rink floor. Frost had driven
into the ground 10 feet; the solution was to drill 10 foot holes into the soil and drop hot
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water coils into the holes. It took $26,000 and 30 days just to remove the frost from the
ground. His point was that there's a lot more to this than just energy savings. It's a
project that must be done, because it will be a lot more costly if it is not. Discussion
included moving this portion of Phase 2 to the general facilities budget. This would
decrease the payback time period to about 11 years.
McKinstry was unable to quantify energy savings for the 400kw emergency generator
because they cannot predict number and length of outages, etc. They are in talks with an
Xcel rep regarding heat rates to try to determine some utility savings. Sticha added that
for some reason they have lost power at the Community Center every two months, on
average. Outages have lasted anywhere from minutes to days. Not only are they losing
ice when this happens, but they are losing revenue from people coming in for swim
meets and hockey games. Daniels inquired about what makes the generator run, as he is
always looking for ways to incorporate hydrogen. The generator runs on diesel.
Hydrogen would be too expensive at this time, but McKinstry is working with the U of
M - Morris on this and are a couple of years out on bringing it to fruition.
Carbon reduction has been calculated for Phase I and will be for Phase II when it is
finalized. This will be added to the chart presented to the City Council.
Ackerson then solicited feedback. Jester recommended a column be added to the matrix
listing ancillary benefits suggesting that it might be more helpful to someone looking at
the matrix to have those explanations in front of them. Ackerson said he will work with
staff to develop a summary of that information for inclusion in the Council packets.
Nygaard added that the presentation to Council will include a preface to the data that
will address the history behind some of these things and the intrinsic value of why they
should be done other than just for financial reasons.
MOTION: Jester moved, seconded by Mosman, to approve the Phase II initiatives as
recommended. Motion carried 4-0.
B. Tim Goodman & Associates—Recyclini!
1. Single-Sort vs. Traditional Sortin!
Chair Chacko introduced Tim Goodman, a consultant to several cities, school
districts, and other companies and organizations evaluating recycling methods
and benefits.
Goodman said single-stream (one-sort) vs. dual-stream (two-sort) recycling is a
very hot topic nationwide. There has been a lot of discussion on the collection
side, but not much on the processing and marketing impacts of recycling
methods. Goodman explained the definition of Recycling per Minnesota rules as
well as other recycling terminology. He then reviewed the pros and cons of
single-stream collection.
Typically single-stream incurs less cost on the collection side than dual-stream
due, in part, to reduced staff and the truck staying on the route longer. For
example, in dual-stream collection, inevitably one compartment of the truck will
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fill up faster than the other so the truck has to leave the route to dump that load at
the Materials Recovery Facility (MRF). Some of the disadvantages include
higher contamination rates and collection of an increased quantity of non-
recyclable materials.
Next he reviewed residual rates as reported by local MRFs. Some of these
numbers have changed since the presentation was prepared, for example Eureka
Recycling's rate is actually closer to 2% because they were not accounting for a
recently-installed optical glass sorter. Stovring also stated that Allied Waste has
a new facility that is reporting residual rates of 3.8% due to the increased
efficiency of the newer equipment. Goodman agreed that their numbers are
encouraging.
Waste Management is currently using mixed broken glass for aggregate in their
landfills as a beneficial reuse. The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
(MPCA) defines this as recycling, although Goodman does not agree (quoting
the Minnesota rules) because the material is not being reused as another glass
container. By excluding the use of mixed broken glass for aggregate as a
recycled material, Waste Management's residual rate would be closer to 22%.
Goodman stated that there has been a significant decrease in the availability of
clean, color-separated glass since the introduction of single-stream recycling.
Single stream recycling has been perceived as more convenient for residents
since everything can be thrown into one bin without sorting. Collection rates
have increased as a result. However, the residual rates do tend to be higher with
single-stream sorting. A couple years ago, 6 out of 7 companies he interviewed
had seen more contamination and a decline in quality of the recyclable materials,
such as broken glass mixed in with paper. However, other problems include
increased use of items such as glued Post-it Notes and envelopes and the glue
does impact their lines. There is also an increase of non-recyclable materials
being placed in the single-stream bins (such as Pyrex, margarine tubs or pizza
boxes).
Next he cited a presentation by Abitibi-Bowater, a large paper conglomerate,
given to the Association of Municipal Recycling Coordinators (AMRC) in
Canada. Basically, the Thorold Paper Mill has seen an increase in the percentage
of non-fibrous materials (such as broken glass, crushed cans, plastics, etc.) in the
paper, which in turn creates increased costs for production and higher rejection
rates for materials going into recycled papers.
Despite complaints from various markets concerning single-stream recycling,
75% of paper mills in Goodman's study admitted that they have received both
good loads and bad loads from collectors, whether from single-stream or dual-
stream. Not all dual-stream loads are clean or well-sorted and some single-
stream loads provide good sources of paper. However, they maintained that
single-stream still creates more problems over-all.
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Goodman also discussed the definition of recycling. Measuring recycling by
what's being collected is not a true reflection of what's actually being recycled.
Collecting materials at curbside, in and of itself, is not recycling. Recycling
involves collection, sorting at an MRF, and sale of the metal, paper, glass and
plastic materials to companies that can recycle them into high value uses, such as
food and beverage containers and office papers.
In summary, when it comes to determining which is the better system (single or
dual-stream), the answer is really contingent on a variety of factors depending on
the individual community.
Stovring agreed that glass recycling has been a source of frustration and as a
result some of the glass recyclers are going out of business because of their
inability to get consistent volumes of good material. Goodman replied that
Anchor Glass is one of those companies that has gone through multiple bouts of
bankruptcy; and, although they're solvent right now, they are having a hard time
meeting their glass needs locally and are having to get it from out-state sources,
which raises their costs.
Jester recalled returning glass bottles as a child to the store for a refund.
Goodman said 8 or 9 states currently have bottle laws in place, and they do have
higher glass recycling rates. Stovring said glass is making a bit of a comeback
because people like the taste better,but aluminum would also have to be included
in a deposit program otherwise people would consider returning glass bottles
inconvenient. Goodman explains that the beverage industry is very politically
connected and strong, and both they and the grocery industry have lobbied
against deposit laws and taking back bottles and cans in their stores. It's also a
concern for communities with curbside programs because once a deposit
program is in place; they will start to see a decrease in container collection thus
losing some of their income. The issue seems to be debated in Minnesota every
couple of years.
Daniels stated that it seems there is a need for more sorting efficiency on the
processing line. Goodman explained that some of the glass is broken in
collection, some in dumping, and some in the feeding stage. The optical sorter
can select out glass by color and works best when glass is 5/8" or larger. A lot of
the glass shards are too small, so much of it is lost. Another downside is optical
sorters are very expensive.
Daniels asked what plastics are considered as recyclable. Goodman said that as
far as plastics are concerned, mainly numbers 1 and 2 are considered acceptable.
Other plastics are technically recyclable,but the numbers can't be mixed together
due to different characteristics plus there's not much of a market for them here.
Stovring said that Allied Waste is looking into accepting margarine tubs.
2. RecycleBank
Stovring distributed a couple of articles on RecycleBank which is an incentive
program that rewards residents with vouchers good at local businesses and
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national chain stores based on how much they recycle (determined by weight).
Stovring announced that Allied Waste has signed an exclusive contract with
RecycleBank to expand this program nationwide. Allied Waste has started
installing infrared chips on their recycling bins this week. The weight of the
recyclable materials will be averaged by route rather than by individual
household.
The RecycleBank program reports that a typical family can earn $20-30 per
month in points. The concern is that users will start to throw rocks or trash in the
bins just to pad the weight. That is a risk, but they have found that very few will
do this as it is seen as dishonest by their neighbors.
Chair Chacko thanked Goodman for his presentation and requested that copies of
his materials be included in the Friday envelope for Council.
V. REPORTS FROM STAFF
A. Winter Newsletter
Stovring said that MacMillan is still on vacation with her family and is unable to write
an article on "Paper vs. Plastic —Why Not Cloth?" and asked for an alternate volunteer.
Daniels stated he will take on this task and inquired about the deadline and word count.
The paper is due in one week and it can be similar in length to Chair Chacko's article.
Stovring would like to add something storm water-related to the newsletter, as well.
VI. REPORTS FROM CHAIR
A. Commission Charter Review (October)
1. Review of Backsround Documents
Chair Chacko reminded the commission that the charter review is scheduled for
next month's meeting. Each member should have the following handouts: a
copy of the existing charter, the 2008 Work Plan, and the U.S Mayors Climate
Protection Agreement. Chair Chacko will send Stovring another copy of the Best
Practices Report for distribution. Stovring stated she had not received it the first
time around likely due to the fact that she's been having some problems with her
email. The Best Practices Report is a means of comparing what other cities are
doing.
2. Goals for Review Process
Chair Chacko said that the reason for the review is that some of the elements
were too broadly formulated or else they belonged more properly to other
commissions such as Parks. He directed the Commission members to gather
their specific thoughts together on what a revised charter should look like.
Stovring stated that Public Works Director, Gene Dietz, will lead a discussion of
this item; therefore, everyone should come prepared to discuss this topic.
Stovring added that Dietz also wants to address the idea of energy/ conservation
rebates and how to get funding for that. There will be a city survey containing a
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question related to this along the lines of"If the City develops a program to assist
or rebate energy conservation measures (including change a light, programmable
thermostats, and energy audits), would you be willing to add a $1.00 to your
utility bill to regenerate funding?"
VII. OLD BUSINESS
A. Sunbonnet Days—Recycling Results
Daniels, Jester, and Mosman reported that they had inclement weather and a poor
turnout for Sunbonnet Days. There were some problems with recycling--the bins were
difficult to monitor, and due to their depth, it was difficult to retrieve materials from the
recycling containers that did not belong. They needed to be tipped over and dumped out
to accomplish this. In the future we may want to use containers with a small round
opening on top so it's more obvious to users that they are intended just for recycling.
Stovring stated that the bins had been supplied at no cost and apologized for not
communicating more clearly that there wasn't cause for concern if some paper plates and
a little bit of food waste got inadvertently mixed in with the recyclables.
VIII.NEW BUSINESS
Daniels reported that Xcel Energy is developing its first wind farm in Minnesota. Grand
Meadow Wind Farm's location is south of Rochester.
IX. INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS/HANDOUTS/COMMUNICATIONS
Stovring referred to the Geothermal Heating and Cooling Systems handout which is a DNR
publication covering the environmental impacts and the pros and cons of different types of
geothermal systems. She thought it would be a timely piece of information to share since this
has been a recent hot topic.
X. UPCOMING EVENTS
XI. NEXT MEETING
A. OCTOBER 14,2008
XII. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Mosman moved, seconded by Jester, to adjourn. Motion carried 4-0.
Chair Chacko adjourned the meeting at 9:24 pm.