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EDEN PRAIRIE CITY COUNCIL MEETING
TUESDAY, MARCH 18, 2008 7:00 PM, CITY CENTER
Council Chamber
8080 Mitchell Road
CITY COUNCIL: Mayor Phil Young, Council Members Brad Aho, Sherry Butcher, Jon
Duckstad and Kathy Nelson
CITY STAFF: City Manager Scott Neal, Parks & Recreation Director Jay Lotthammer, Public
Works Director Eugene Dietz, City Planner Michael Franzen, Community Development Director
Janet Jeremiah, City Attorney Ric Rosow and Council Recorder Jan Curielli
I. ROLL CALL/CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER
Mayor Young called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM.
II. COLOR GUARD/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Mayor Young thanked Cub Scout Pack 497 from Cedar Ridge Elementary School for
presenting the colors.
III. OPEN PODIUM INVITATION
IV. APPROVAL OF AGENDA AND OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS
MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Aho, to approve the agenda. Motion carried 5-0.
V. PROCLAMATIONS /PRESENTATIONS
VI. MINUTES
A. COUNCIL WORKSHOP HELD TUESDAY, MARCH 4, 2008
MOTION: Duckstad moved, seconded by Aho, to approve the minutes of the
Council Workshop held Tuesday, March 4, 2008, as published. Motion carried 5-
0.
B. CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD TUESDAY, MARCH 4, 2008
MOTION: Aho moved, seconded by Butcher, to approve the minutes of the City
Council Meeting held Tuesday, March 4, 2008, as published. Motion carried 5-0.
VII. REPORTS OF ADVISORY BOARDS & COMMISSIONS
A. CONSERVATION COMMISSION
Eapen Chacko, Chair of the Conservation Commission, gave a presentation on the
Commission's progress to date and the work plan for 2008. He reviewed the
ongoing Change-A-Light pledge campaign, noting this is a great activity that needs
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more support. He said the Commission has tried to extend their conversation about
conservation issues into the community by participating in the Chamber of
Commerce's Landscape & Garden Expo and Pax Christi's Environmental Fair, and
by establishing connections with the environmental commissions in Chanhassen
and Edina. He noted that McKinstry Essention will give a progress report on the
20-40-15 plan later this evening, and he thanked the Council for establishing the
Conservation Commission as the notified body for that project so the Commission
can have meaningful input into the process.
Young thanked Chair Chacko and the other Commission members for their work.
MOTION: Nelson moved, seconded by Butcher to receive the Conservation
Commission 2007 Annual Report and approve the 2008 Work Plan. Motion
carried 5-0.
B. ENERGY SAVINGS REPORT—MCKINSTRY ESSENTION
Neal introduced Tom Loffenberg, McKinstry Essention, noting he has been
working with the City for several months on the 20-40-15 energy savings project.
Mr. Loffenberg said under Minnesota Statutes cities are allowed to put together an
energy conservation project that would pay for itself out of energy savings. He said
the proposed Phase 1.1 projects will pay for themselves. Phase 1.1 projects include
lighting improvements on building interiors to reduce energy costs and increase the
light quality in the work spaces. They are proposing a pilot project to install LED
lights in the City Center parking lot as part of Phase 1.1. He said LED lighting has
a different quality so they prefer to do a pilot project in order to get feedback from
the public;however, LED lighting can result in a 70% savings in energy costs.
Other items in Phase 1.1 include occupancy sensors,building automation systems
to regulate heating and cooling of buildings, improved generators to reduce energy
rates and provide emergency generator backup, vending machine controls, and a
thermal solar panel at the Community Center to heat the swimming pool. He
distributed copies of a summary sheet showing the proposed projects for Phase 1.1,
noting energy costs will be reduced by 4% and will get the City about 20% towards
the goal of 20-40-15.
Loffenberg said they will come back with more items for the next phase which will
include additional LED lighting for parking lots and street lights, wind turbine use,
and some geothermal applications. He noted some of the Phase 2 items may require
some additional capital investment by the City.
Nelson asked when the LED parking lot lights project will begin. She said she was
delighted to see that included in Phase 1.1. Loffenberg replied they will begin the
final specifications, and work should begin within 30-60 days upon approval of the
contract. Nelson asked where we would go from there if the public likes the
lighting. Loffenberg said they would probably do some surveying and work with
staff to determine how best to proceed. Nelson asked if there has been positive
feedback in other communities that have installed LED lights. Loffenberg said the
vast majority of feedback has been positive. Nelson asked if we would look at
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changing the streetlights if the feedback is positive. Lofenberg said some of the
streetlights are owned by Xcel Energy,but the City-owned lights could be changed
very quickly.
Butcher asked about the ice rink heat reclaiming system. Mr. Ackerson, McKinstry
Essention, said that is a way to melt the ice from the Zamboni. It is included in
Phase 2 because we need to do more analysis in order to get the right fixes for that.
Aho asked what other items they have analyzed, such as motor controls.
Loffenberg said they started with the quickest in terms of development because
some of the mechanical systems require a longer time to analyze and put them
together. He thought there will be some additional very good payback items,but
many of items are more complex.
Aho asked if there was any way to get a faster return on investment by changing
the mix of the project items. Loffenberg said they tried to produce a blend of
shorter and longer term payback items, noting many of their clients have chosen to
do it that way.
Young asked about the thermal solar collector which has a simple payback of 41
years. Loffenberg said there is some contingency money in that item so the cost
could come down a little.
Aho thought we may want to decide if we want to do all of the items proposed for
Phase 1.1. Young asked what the implication is if we don't go forward on the solar
collector. Neal said that item could be put into the next phase and noted staff had a
lot of discussion on that particular item. He thought it would be fine if the Council
wanted to put the thermal solar collector into the next phase,because it does have
an impact on the overall return on investment of 13.8 years.
Neal asked Mr. Loffenberg to review the basics of the finances for the project.
Loffenberg said they set up a lease so that each year McKinstry would come out
and provide measurement and verification that the projected savings have been
realized. They guarantee the amount of savings that will be realized will exceed the
principal and interest on the lease, so there is a guarantee of the savings and we can
see the progress of the project each year.
Aho asked about the length of term of the lease. Loffenberg said he did not think
that has been established yet because the rates are in flux. They are still working
through what terms we would use, and it depends on the cash flow situation. Aho
asked if the City owns it once the lease is satisfied. Loffenberg said that was true.
Young asked that the case be made for including the thermal solar collector in the
list. Loffenberg said sometimes their clients pick a renewable energy project for
another reason such as the educational value of the project or to set an example. He
said we may need to get more into some of the other things the City is trying to
accomplish with the initiative.
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Eapen Chacko said the Conservation Commission has struggled with how we take
a step into some of these areas. The commission thought the site for the thermal
solar collector is favorable, it is used by the entire community, and it is close to the
High School for use as an educational item. Young asked how the educational
component of the thermal solar collector would be realized. Chacko said it could be
similar to the geothermal project that was at the library,but the challenge for us
would be to hook up with the educational community to promote the project.
Young asked if there was a plan to do something with it. Neal said there could be in
the same way we have used the Environmental Learning Center at the Water Plant.
Loffenberg noted we have been extremely conservative in our estimates of initial
savings and ongoing savings.
Neal noted there was a wind project that had a similar long-term payback. Nelson
asked how the wind project payback compared to the thermal solar collector.
Loffenberg said the wind project had a little better payback but it was still in
development. They are trying to identify the most suitable turbine and are doing
analysis of various sizes of turbines. He noted there are a lot of factors involved
and this item will be presented as part of Phase 2 in 60-90 days.
Nelson asked if they looked at our fleet for the possibilities of more energy-
efficient vehicles. Loffenberg said they had some preliminary conversations on that
and are continuing to evaluate it.
Aho asked what the life expectancy is on the electric generator since that item has a
16.6 year payback, and whether we factored in maintenance costs for that.
Loffenberg said there is an expected life of 25 years for the generator, and they
have factored in all of the maintenance costs.
In general terms Aho thought the thermal solar collector is a nice idea,but at this
time he thought every component of the project needs to stand alone, so he would
like to move that item to the second phase.
Young said he was willing to support items such as the thermal solar collector if
they have educational or other non-financial benefits;however he needed the case
to be made at the time of the financing. He was confident we can do that for this
item and a plan will be included in the second phase of the project. Neal said if that
is the direction of the Council we will move the item to Phase 2 and come back
with a well-developed plan for programming. Young said he would support the
Phase 1.1 items with the exception of the thermal solar collector.
MOTION: Aho moved, seconded by Butcher, to accept the Energy Savings Report
from McKinstry Essention and to move forward with the Phase 1.1 project, with
the exception of the thermal solar collector which will be moved to Phase 2 for
further review. Motion carried 5-0.
VIII. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. APPROVE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE NO. 8-2008 AMENDING
CITY CODE SECTION 11.70, RELATING TO THE PUBLIC DISTRICT
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AND AIRPORT SECTIONS OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE,AND ADOPT
RESOLUTION NO. 2008-33 APPROVING SUMMARY PUBLICATION
B. APPROVE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE NO. 9-2008 AMENDING
CITY CODE SECTION 11.51 RELATING TO PROTECTION OF
WETLAND AND ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-34 APPROVING
SUMMARY PUBLICATION
C. ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-35 APPROVING FINAL PLAT OF
CASTLE RIDGE 2ND ADDITION
D. ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-36 APPROVING FINAL PLAT OF
BLUFF COUNTRY VILLAGE 3"ADDITION
E. AWARD CONTRACT FOR RECOATING OF WATER TREATMENT
PLANT WASH-WATER TANK TO CHAMPION COATINGS, INC.
F. APPROVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH SRF
CONSULTING GROUP FOR CONCEPT DESIGN OF PRAIRIE CENTER
DR./PRESERVE BLVD. AND ANDERSON LAKES PARKWAY/
PRESERVE BLVD. INTERSECTIONS, I.C. 02-5583
G. ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-37 APPROVING CONTRACT WITH
THE STATE OF MINNESOTA FOR THE INSTITUTION COMMUNITY
WORK CREW PROGRAM FOR AN ADDITIONAL DAY PER WEEK
FROM APRIL 14 TO NOVEMBER 28, 2008
H. AWARD CONTRACT FOR STREET SWEEPING TO RELIAKOR SERVICES,
INC., I.C. 08-5720
I. ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-38 AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF EDEN
PRAIRIE TO ACT AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT UNIT WITHIN THE
RILEY-PURGATORY-BLUFF CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT
J. APPROVE SUBMITTAL OF 2007 RECYCLING REPORT TO HENNEPIN
COUNTY AND ADOPT RESOLUTION NO. 2008-39 AUTHORIZING
RENEWAL OF THE RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING GRANT APPLICATION
FOR 2008-2010
K. APPROVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH HTPO, INC.,
FOR DESIGN PHASE SERVICES FOR RECONSTRUCTION OF RIVERVIEW
RD. FROM HOMEWARD HILLS RD. TO SONOMA RIDGE/PARKER DR.,
I.C. 52-157
L. APPROVE COST PARTICIPATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT
WITH NINE MILE CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT FOR BIRCH ISLAND
LAKE POND NO. 4 STORM SEWER, I.C. 04-5620
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M. APPROVE 2008 TOWING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH MATT'S
AUTO SERVICE
N. APPROVE WATER EMERGENCY AND CONSERVATION PLAN
O. APPROVE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH SOUTHWEST TRANSIT
MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Aho, to approve Items A-O on the
Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
IX. PUBLIC HEARINGS /MEETINGS
A. UNITEDHEALTH GROUP PUD CONCEPT AMENDMENT Request for:
Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment on 71 acres and Alternative Urban
Areawide Review (AUAR) Update on 71 acres. Location: SE Quadrant of Shady
Oak Rd & TH 62. (Resolution No. 2008-40 for PUD Concept Amendment)
Neal said official notice of this public hearing was published in the March 6,
2008, Eden Prairie News and sent to 84 property owners. He said in 2002
United Health Group (UHG) received City approval of a Comprehensive
Guide Plan Change and PUD concept plan for a 1,599,400 square foot
office/mixed-use development on its 71-acre property located at the southeast
corner of Highway 62 and Shady Oak Road. The plan consisted of 1,131,700
sq. ft. of office, 331 multi-family units, a 125-room hotel/restaurant, and
50,000 square feet of retail. The Development Agreement for the PUD
concept plan will expire March 20, 2008.
Neal said UHG is proposing a PUD concept amendment for the plan for 1,584,400
sq. ft. office/mixed use development consisting of 1,140,000 sq. ft. of office, 324
multi-family units, 125-room hotel/restaurant, and 25,000 sq. ft. of retail. The plan
also provides for a future light rail transit station and a Park-and-Ride at the site,
which is along Hennepin County's preferred future LRT alignment.
The Concept Amendment plans have taken into account changes to the site since
the previous approval including: new wetland delineation report; updated traffic
analysis; updated tree inventory; storm water infiltration; and accommodation for a
future light rail transit station on the site.
Neal reviewed the following PUD waivers needed to be approved as part of any
rezoning of the property:
Office Site
• Floor Area Ratio of 0.89. Code maximum is 0.50.
• Building height greater than 30 feet. Six, eight, and ten story buildings are
anticipated.
High Density Residential Site
• 0-foot internal setback to parking. Code requires a 10-foot setback. Shared
parking is anticipated.
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Neighborhood Commercial Site
• FAR of 0.51. Code maximum is 0.40. Housing is proposed above the retail
uses.
• 0-foot internal setback to parking. Code requires a 10-foot setback. Shared
parking is anticipated.
• Building height greater than 30 feet. Housing is proposed above the retail uses.
Neal said the benefits to the City for considering these waivers are:
• A mixed-use development of office, housing and retail
• Preservation of the 10 acre wooded knoll
• Preservation of 12.27 acres (92.5%) of the 13.27 acres of wetlands on site
• Significant tree loss of 32%
• Accommodates future LRT station and Park-and-Ride within the site
The 120-Day review period expires on May 19, 2008.
The project applicant was present to answer question.
There were no comments from the audience.
MOTION: Aho moved, seconded by Butcher, to close the Public Hearing, to
adopt Resolution No. 2008-40 for Planned Unit Development Concept Amendment
on 71 acres, and to direct Staff to prepare a Development Agreement incorporating
Staff and Commission recommendations and Council conditions.
Neal commented he thought this project shows the strength of our local economy,
and this is the kind of project many cities envy.
Nelson expressed her appreciation for the accommodation for light rail.
VOTE ON THE MOTION: Motion carried 5-0.
B. UNITEDHEALTH GROUP ALTERNATIVE URBAN AREAWIDE REVIEW
(AUAR) UPDATE
Neal said official notice of this public hearing was published in the March 6,
2008, Eden Prairie News and sent to 84 property owners. United Healthcare
Services, Inc. is proposing an Update to its Alternative Areawide Urban
Review (AUAR) environmental document originally adopted by the City
Council in April of 2002 for the future development of a 71 acre site located at
the southeast corner of T.H. 62 and Shady Oak Road.
Neal said the 30-Day Comment Period runs from February 26 thru March 26, 2008.
The 120-Day Review Period for the AUAR process expires on May 19, 2008. The
Planning Commission voted 5-0 to accept the draft AUAR document and draft
mitigation plan as accurate and complete at its February 25, 2008 meeting.
There were no comments from the audience.
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MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Aho, to close the Public Hearing and to
accept the draft AUAR and draft mitigation plan as accurate and complete. Motion
carried 5-0.
C. CDBG FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS (Resolution 2008-41)
Neal said official notice of this public hearing was published in the February 28,
2008, Eden Prairie News. He said the 2008 CDBG allocation is $256,033.00,
which is approximately 4% less than our 2007 allocation. The regulations stipulate
that public service funding may not exceed 15 percent of the City's total allocation,
plus 15 percent of the previous year's program income ($110,890). For the 2008
program year, funding for public services totals $46,000.
Molly Koivumaki, Housing & Human Services Manager, reviewed the process
used to distribute CDBG funds. She said the process starts at the beginning of the
year when HUD notifies us what the allocation will be. Anyone can apply for the
funding, but they generally get the same groups each year. She said they received
about a 4% decrease in allocated funds this year so they have made some
adjustments from last year. They would like to use the Housing Rehabilitation Loan
Program in new ways this year and will bring back a proposal to the Council later
on how the City can help with some of the issues regarding foreclosure and other
items that are hitting the community right now.
There were no comments from the audience.
MOTION: Nelson moved, seconded by Butcher, to adopt Resolution No. 2008-
41 approving the use of 2008 CDBG funds as recommended by the Eden Prairie
Human Services Committee. Motion carried 5-0.
D. UTILITY FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENTS (Resolution No. 2008-42)
Dietz said the Council approved a water conservation and emergency supply plan
as part of tonight's Consent Calendar. He said Minnesota state statutes prioritize
the use of water into six priorities, and No. 6 in priority is non-essential uses which
includes lawn sprinkling. The average usage for Eden Prairie residents is 93 gallons
per capita per day,but we are mandated to try to reduce that average back to 75
gallons per day.
He said the utility fee schedule includes the proposed LGU fees for Riley-
Purgatory/Bluff Creek Watershed District. The LGU fees are typical of what the
Watershed District used to charge. He said the noncompliance fees are changed to
measure them over a three-year rolling time frame rather than a two year time
frame. The billing for our commercial/industrial customers will change to a
monthly billing system. He said irrigation-only accounts will now be subject to a
use surcharge of$1.00 per 1,000 gallons, and the storm water drainage fees will
change to $4.00 per quarter for a single family home.
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Basil Wissner, 8292 Mitchell Road, thought the fee structure is really too low if we
are trying to change the behavior of our residents. He thought it should be double
that, at a minimum.
Laura Bluml, 10450 Riverview Drive, said they water less than one inch per week
and never during restricted periods. They have been assessed the surcharge and it
sometimes goes up to the $100 cap. They have tried to reduce their water usage and
would like to work with someone to convert a larger area to natural conditions. She
noted the system allows a resident who fills an indoor pool in January to get that
added to their water for the summer. She thought the noncompliance fee should be
increased, and she was bothered that the error with irrigation-only users occurred
for 11 years. She thought we should look at other fees to make sure there aren't
other errors. She would like to make sure the costs for the change to monthly
billing will include all the additional costs for the mailings and other items.
Dietz said the resolution does eliminate the $100 cap. He noted there are no tax
dollars involved in our utility operations. It is all fee generated and the fees are the
only way we pay for capital costs.
MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Nelson, to close the public hearing.
Motion carried 5-0.
Duckstad asked how the proposed rates compare to our neighboring municipalities.
Dietz said the storm water utilities' average is $40 per quarter while ours will be
$4.00. He did not have a comparison of the water rates in front of him,but we
would be in the middle with $1.65 per 1000 gallons. Only about five other
communities have a two-tier system like we do for conservation efforts. He said
there is a bill before the state legislature to mandate that all large water systems
have a conservation rate structure.
Butcher said it is pretty obvious that our water is one of the best things going in
terms of what we pay. She thought there is a commitment on the part of the City
Council to be good stewards of all our resources. As part of that we made the
commitment to have a Conservation Commission and created a staff position. It
makes good sense to take more incremental change over quantum change. She said
she supported what staff is proposing but would like to review this sooner than we
did this last time. She thought we are going in the right direction and would like to
see more citizen involvement and awareness of this issue so residents might be able
to add to our water conservation efforts.
Nelson asked if the monthly billing is strictly for businesses only for what we are
approving. Dietz said this is a trial balloon for us, and about 1100 customers will be
on the monthly basis to start which will give us experience with the monthly billing
process. Nelson said it will take a little convincing for her to go that way for
residences. She thought our storm water drainage fees are overly low. She wants to
do incremental increases but she also wants to see them increase over time and to
make sure we cover our costs. She commended Mr. Neal for his piece in the
newspaper explaining the fee increases. She thought it provided more of an overall
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understanding about why we need to do this. She thought it would be nice if staff
could do a piece that explains why water poured on the grass does not just run
down through the ground and get pumped out through the water system again. She
thought that would be something that would help a lot of people understand and
would make more sense to them as to why they need to conserve.
Aho thought the City water system is a number one quality system. He has an
office building in another community where the water is not nearly as good as Eden
Prairie water. We have a fantastic water system here and we don't have to soften
the water on our own which is a big savings for residents. He thought it would be
good to have Mr. Dietz address the system constraints again because he gets a lot
of feedback that shows there is not a good understanding of that issue. He asked if
there is any way we could account for large areas like that of Ms Bluml's property.
Regarding the issue about associations that maintain property such as boulevards,
he asked if there is anything we could do to help them maintain their property.
Dietz corrected his earlier statement that the average storm water utility for other
cities is $40 per quarter, stating it is actually $40 annually. He said the system
constraint is how much water we are allowed to take out of the ground. We got
approval to go to 3.25 billion gallons per year, and we went over last year when we
used 3.5 billion. He said Well No. 15 was in the preliminary stages last year, so we
hope they will forgive us and that we will get more normal weather this year. There
are several constraints on the system: wells,pipes, towers and the plan. He said we
have received approval for Well No. 16, and we are doing some design work to put
that into the area south on Mitchell Road. If we have good rainfall in a year, we
will be able to keep up better. We do have rebates for water-conserving appliances,
we have a new rebate program to convert part of a yard to a Rain Garden, and we
have a $100 rebate for an irrigation system with smart features. He said a larger
yard will always cost more to water. He noted only 3% of our base would have paid
a $100 or more surcharge last year. Some associations have made upgrades in some
of their boulevards and medians. They have agreed to maintain the median if they
have one. He said we recognize the fee increases are a change for people, but he
thought we have to put these in place.
Young said the association that corresponded with the Council alleged that we
maintained some of their common areas earlier. Dietz said over the years we have
mowed a pass back behind the curb. State statutes require that property owners
maintain to the edge of the road. There are a number of areas where we mow but it
is not to the level the associations would want.
Young asked Council Member Aho if there is an alternative he wanted to propose
regarding different size lots or associations. Aho said he was satisfied with Mr.
Dietz's description and reasoning.
Nelson said she gets comments from people asking that everyone observe the 12:00
to 5:00 PM watering ban, including those that have their own wells, as well as the
schools and golf courses. Dietz said he didn't know if we can do that. Neal said our
conservation program impacts people that are connected to our system but not
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those that are not connected to it. Dietz said we do talk to some apartments and
others that have their own wells and also to the School District but it sometimes
gets out of synch. Young said the School District often waters in the heat of the day
during the summer and that raises concerns. Neal said we will discuss this with
them again.
Aho said he has had a number of correspondences from those who say they were
fined for violations when they were using their own wells. He asked if we have
something in place to detect when someone is using their own well for irrigation.
Dietz replied we know about most of those situations and staff does try to catch the
ones that have private wells. He said we have to have strict compliance with our
rules or we can't enforce it for anybody, and we need an objective means of
measuring compliance.
Duckstad said he thought Mr. Dietz was to be commended on his sensible approach
to the watering problem. He asked if irrigation-only associations, where residents
get together and formulate a plan to water the property, will be put into a higher
tier. Dietz said they will. Duckstad was concerned that by billing them more you
could have a harmful effect on those associations such that they disband and start to
water on their own, thereby using more water. Dietz said he didn't have a sense that
would happen. There are two kinds of associations: townhouses with common
areas only that have an irrigation system on those areas, and associations of single
family homeowners that have some specific areas that have upscale landscaping
and the only way to water those is through a watering system they put in. He said it
came out to be about$6.00 per household for an entire year, and he didn't think
such a cost implication would change their opinion on how the neighborhood looks.
Duckstad asked if the State could turn us down if we get into a situation where we
need permission of the DNR and the State to build another well. Dietz said they
could and, as part of the permission we obtained for Well No. 16, we will have to
submit our Comprehensive Guide Plan update showing a population increase.
Duckstad asked Dietz if he felt at this point our water level availability is critical
and at emergency need levels. Dietz said he did not want to be an alarmist and we
are not out of water;however, we do need to be pro-active and be good stewards of
what water we have left.
MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Nelson, to adopt Resolution No. 2008-
42 amending the Fee Schedule for fees associated with Storm Water Utility,
Water Utility and Wetland Services. Motion carried 5-0.
X. PAYMENT OF CLAIMS
MOTION: Duckstad moved, seconded by Nelson, to approve the Payment of Claims as
submitted. The motion was approved on a roll call vote, with Aho, Butcher, Duckstad,
Nelson and Young voting "aye."
XI. ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
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A. FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE SECTION
11.70 RELATING TO DYNAMIC DISPLAYS (Tabled)
Neal noted the Council discussed this item at the last Council meeting and tabled
action on first reading of the new ordinance at that time. Staff communicated with
the Council Members and came back with the proposal in tonight's meeting packet.
The proposal is the starting point for tonight's discussion and is based on feedback
having to do with where the signs could be,how large they could be and how
frequently they could change. He noted dynamic displays are proposed to be
permitted in the Town Center-Commercial areas,but not in the Town Center-
Residential or Town Center-Mixed Use areas. Such displays would be permitted in
the public areas. He said they took a look at what we have in the community and
determined that allowing 35% of the sign area to be dynamic would allow
everything that is already in place. The proposal states the time change could be
once every 20 minutes, a standard that has been adopted by the cities of
Bloomington and Minnetonka.
Young asked how many existing signs in the City would be in violation if we
passed the ordinance as it is currently proposed. Franzen said the time frame for the
sign we have outside of City Hall would have to be changed as would the sign at
Purgatory Creek Recreation Area. The signs at Walgreens and the gas stations are
on a staff policy change of once every 24 hours. Neal said timing change is a fairly
simple thing to do.
Aho said he was okay with our plan to control the brightness and size,but he was
less comfortable with the change frequency of 20 minutes. He thought there are
signs like our City signs where it makes sense to have them change every eight
seconds. We are hampering some of our ability to get information to our residents
if we cut the change to 20 minutes. He didn't think it would be a problem to leave
the shorter frequency with some of the other controls we have in place.
Butcher asked if there could be a two-tier system with public service
announcements as one tier since the City signs seem to be the only ones changing
more frequently. Rosow said no. Butcher said she was not comfortable with signs
changing as frequently as every eight seconds.
Young said he agreed with Council Member Aho. There are a lot of regulations of
these signs, and he didn't think there is as big a danger in this. There are benefits to
some of these signs for our corporations, and he did not think there was anything
magic about time frames. He said the most offending sign in the City is ours at
Purgatory Creek Park, and he thought we have established a de facto standard there
and should apply that standard to any other sign in the City.
Nelson said she never liked the sign at Purgatory Creek Park, and she thought it
goes way too fast. She thought it definitely would become a traffic hazard if we had
multiple signs like that up and down Flying Cloud Drive. She thought 20 minutes is
more than enough time to get the information out, and she was willing to go with
20 minutes as the frequency. Times will change and businesses will be more likely
to take advantage of these. She thought signs that change all the time like those in a
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town such as Orlando would definitely change the look of our town.
Butcher thought it is important for us to have caution about the length of time. So
far the standard is once every 24 hours for our businesses using this type of sign.
She thought we should err on the side of being conservative. If we need to review it
in the future in terms of being more flexible, we could do a reassessment in order to
be less regulatory.
Rosow said he talked to the Minnetonka City Attorney today about their litigation
on this issue, and he asked them why they went to 20 minutes as a time change.
They did that to be consistent with Bloomington, and it was more reasonable than
what the court was allowing. The purpose behind moving away from the shorter
time period was that people do watch for changes to occur.
Rosow said he received a forwarded email this morning from the gentleman who is
President of the Minnesota Sign Association and who spoke at the last Council
meeting telling Mr. Franzen he believed we addressed their concerns except for the
way we measure light intensity (nits) which he said would be difficult to measure.
Rosow spoke to Minnetonka about why they do not measure nits, and they said it
would take an expensive machine to do it that way so they have a more subjective
way to measure nits. We would not purchase a machine to measure nits. We would
require the machines to have self-adjusting mechanisms and, if a complaint
occurred, we would have a consultant do that measurement.
Young asked to what standard it would be self-adjusting. Franzen said there would
be a range of light and the signs have a self-adjusting dimmer that adjusts to the
light and is preset at the factory. Young asked how we would enforce the ordinance
and if we would have to hire a consultant every time there was a complaint.
Franzen said we would call the person who took out the sign permit, discuss it with
them and have them measure it. It would only go to a consultant if there was a
continuous violation and we needed professional documentation. He said that
would be less expensive than paying for a measurement device. Young said he was
uncomfortable with the idea that this is a better standard to have.
Rosow said he thought the enforcement of something this technical requires a lot of
common sense. The first time someone complains the City would work with the
owner to educate us on how the sign is calibrated and show us the sign is properly
calibrated. The owner would work with staff to determine if the complaint is valid.
Young asked how much it would cost to hire a consultant if we wanted to pursue a
violation. Franzen said he didn't have that information. Young asked if there are
consultants in the metropolitan area. Franzen said there are.
Rosow said this is the method of enforcement that Bloomington chose. Nelson
asked what method Edina uses. Franzen said they don't have a dynamic sign
ordinance.
Young said if the sign association doesn't have a problem with the 20 minute
standard he was okay with that,but he didn't like the whole measuring nits idea.
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Aho asked what would be the problem with adopting the Minnetonka standard.
Rosow said the subjective nature of their evaluation makes it more difficult to
enforce.
Young asked when Bloomington and Minnetonka passed their ordinances. Neal
said in 2007. Young asked if we know what type of violation history they have had
in the past year. Neal said he did not know. Young said he would like more
information about this, and would like a better sense of how much it costs and how
frequently we could expect it to occur.
Nelson asked if there is any down side to waiting another two weeks. Neal said it
will be almost a month because the next Council meeting is April 15. In terms of
the down side, it would just be our reaction to an application filed between now and
then.
As an alternative, Rosow said we could adopt a first reading tonight and direct staff
to come back at second reading with a report and alternative language regarding the
enforcement. Young asked what that does for any application that comes in. Rosow
said it just keeps the process moving along. Nelson asked if an application would
have to wait until after the April 15 meeting. Rosow said it is difficult to apply
before the new ordinance becomes effective. He said our ordinance as it currently
exists does not allow any illuminated signs so this is a loosening up the ordinance
to allow these signs. An application for an illuminated sign filed now would be
denied because it would be a violation of the current ordinance.
The consensus was to continue to table the matter until the next Council meeting.
B. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY CODE SECTION
11.70 RELATING TO DYNAMIC DISPLAYS
XII. PETITIONS, REQUESTS AND COMMUNICATIONS
XIII. APPOINTMENTS
XIV. REPORTS
A. REPORTS OF COUNCILMEMBERS
1. National League of Cities Conference— Council Member Aho
Aho said he attended the National League of Cities Conference in
Washington, D.C. with City Manager Neal and Fire Chief Esbenson. They
met with all of our representatives at the federal level and discussed Eden
Prairie and metropolitan area concerns with them. He said staff put together
a very nice packet that was well received. The meetings with our Senators
and Representatives were very worthwhile.
2. Letter Received from 4th District Administrator— Council Member
Butcher
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Butcher said she was concerned about the letter the Council received from
Art Thompson, the 4"'District Administrator, stating cuts made to the 4"'
District budget will result in closing two of three suburban courthouses, one
at Southdale and one at Ridgedale. She was concerned about the impact on
staff and residents. She would like to send a letter from the City Council or
at least make contact with our State Senator and Representative to say we
are not comfortable with the changes.
Young thought a letter would be fine. He would like to highlight it in a
positive light and talk about the importance of the Southdale Courthouse to
our prosecutions and the cost impacts of such a move.
Neal said this is a huge issue in terms of convenience for Eden Prairie
citizens and it also impacts our Police Officers as they go to testify. Rosow
said his firm's prosecutor is also concerned about the impact on witnesses
and advocacy groups. Young said since this issue affects us directly, he
thought it is appropriate to comment on the matter. Neal said he will draft a
letter and circulate it among the Council Members.
Butcher said she is very worried about the wait times. She thought it will
have a huge impact and it is our responsibility to act on behalf of the
residents and staff. Nelson agreed.
B. REPORT OF CITY MANAGER
1. Report on Federal Legislative Advocacy Trip
Neal said they talked mainly about transportation issues in terms of road
improvements and LRT and also about WAFTA. They sent follow-up
letters to all the people they met with. He noted this was our last chance to
meet with Congressman Ramstad in Washington, D.C.
2. Town Hall Meetin!
Neal said the Council approved a schedule of meetings for the year and set
a Town Hall meeting for Tuesday, April 29, to be held in the Council
Chamber. The Board of Appeals & Equalization has a statutory date that
night and will be using the Council Chamber, so we need to look at a
different date. He will look at the options and share those with the Council.
3. Commission Banquet
Neal said the Commission banquet is Monday, April 28, and Congressman
Ramstad will be the guest speaker. This is the 40"'Anniversary of the
Human Rights & Diversity Commission, so they will be the featured
commission.
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4. City Manager's Annual Performance Review
Neal said we contracted with Harry Brull from PDI over the last couple of
years to do the performance review, and he could engage Mr. Brull if the
Council would like to use him again.
Butcher said Mr. Brull is a very professional resource and she didn't see
any reason for change. The other Council Members agreed.
C. REPORT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
D. REPORT OF PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR
E. REPORT OF PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR
F. REPORT OF POLICE CHIEF
G. REPORT OF FIRE CHIEF
H. REPORT OF CITY ATTORNEY
Rosow said we received a request from the developer of the Kinderberry project to
have a slight amendment to the Developers Agreement. They discovered an error in
a legal description and asked him if the Council could agree to the amendment
tonight.
MOTION: Butcher moved, seconded by Duckstad, to approve the amendment to
the Kinderberry Developers Agreement. Motion carried 5-0.
XV. OTHER BUSINESS
XVI. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Aho moved, seconded by Butcher, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried 5-
0. Mayor Young adjourned the meeting at 9:10 PM.