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BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS
• THURSDAY,NOVEMBER 991995 7:30 P.M. CITY CENTER
8080 Mitchell Road
Eden Prairie, MN 55344
BOARD OF APPEALS MEMBERS: Arthur Weeks (Chair), Cliff Dunham,
Delavan Dye,Matthew Hansen,Mary
Vasaly
STAFF LIAISON: Scott Kipp,Planner
Kelly Kroeninger,Recording Secretary
BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT: Corrine Lynch,Kathy Nelson
CALL TO ORDER-ROLL CALL-PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Chairman Weeks called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. Corrine Lynch and Kathy Nelson were
absent; all other members present.
L APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Vasaly moved that the Board approve the Agenda as published. Hansen
seconded the motion and it passed unanimously.
• H. APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 12, 1995,MINUTES
Final approval of October 12, 1995 Meeting, due to board members requests and input.
These minutes are to be brought to the next meeting for final approval. Additionally,the
corrections for the November 9, 1995 minutes will be approved and finalized.
III. VARIANCES
Weeks explained the order of the Variance presentation process to those in attendance.
A. Request Number 95-31 by Tom Morgan for 10178 Phaeton Drive to uermit
a garage addition 5 feet 6 inches from the side lot line. City Code requires a
minimum 10 feet sidevard setback with a total of 25 feet both sides in the
R1-13.5 Zoning District.
This is a continued item from the October 12, 1995, meeting.
Tom Morgan residing at 10160 Phaeton Drive briefly reviewed his variance
request before the board. He also thanked the board members for their patience
in dealing with this item
Morgan stated the hardship exists because the garage cannot be extended out the
back due to living space. Additionally, Morgan indicated that the backyard is
• steep and wooded,they would lose many oak trees by trying to extend the garage
out the back.
Morgan indicated that they had received written approvals from 12 nearby
neighbors to go ahead with the work.
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• Morgan also noted that he felt that the granting of this variance would not be out
of character with the neighborhood and surrounding areas.
Weeks inquired as to the inside dimensions of the existing garage.
Morgan responded that it was 26 feet by 26 feet currently,but with the mudroom the
total inside size would be reduced.
Morgan also stated that due to the large amount of sports that their children are
involved in, it is even more difficult to store all of the sporting equipment in the
existing garage.
Weeks then inquired as to what Morgan thought the actual hardship was, and to
explain it to board members.
Morgan indicated that the back of the property was such that it was not
conducive to building onto the back of the lot.
Morgan also indicated that he had consulted with an architect who stated that
with the current position of their chimney,building to the back of the structure
would force them to have to swing their vehicles nearly in a loop to enter the
garage. This was not considered feasible by the architect or Morgan himself.
• Morgan also apologized that the builder for this variance was unable to attend the
meeting for this particular variance.
Weeks inquired as to how many cars the Morgan's currently own.
Morgan replied that they currently owned 3 vehicles and that upon investigating, it
would be cheaper to put on a third car garage than to try to expand the existing
structure.
Morgan stated that he could but it was an extremely tight space and hard to
move around within the garage.
Mary Vasaly inquired of Morgan as to whether he had contacted the surrounding
neighbors on this proposal.
Morgan replied that yes he had and all of the neighbors were in approval of this
variance and that they all signed a letter of approval.
Vasaly then questioned Morgan as to the problems with extending the existing
garage further back on the lot.
Morgan replied that doing so would result in the loss of many trees.
Vasaly reiterated that according to Morgan,his current vehicles were a Honda,
Cutlass Supreme and a Station Wagon.
• Morgan indicated that yes they were and having them presented a real problem in
storage of needed maintenance tools, snowblower, etc.
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• Delavan Dye then stated the current problem with this garage could have been
easily solved in the beginning by turning the home 10 degrees. Additionally, Dye
stated that we have a problem with poor developer builders and that they should
be told to shape up and build homes correctly.
Kipp agreed with Dye and stated that they have the same problems with building
of decks and that builders set the tone of not being able to expand without
violating city code.
Dye remarked that he couldn't build in the floodplain, as is must be within the
easement.
Vasaly responded that in these types of situations many homebuyers pay less for
such existing limitations on their new home.
Cliff Dunham asked how hard it is to currently move a car from out of the
garage.
Morgan responded he had to manipulate around a large pine, a small crab tree
and a basketball hoop.
Dunham stated that this variance was different from others of this type in that
they already had at least a 2 stall garage. He indicated that he was having a
difficult time approving this,based on the hardship presented.
Weeks inquired as to whether Morgan had built the house, with the current
dimensions.
Morgan stated that yes he had built the house to those dimensions, including the
mudroom.
Weeks inquired of Kipp as to how the maximum requirement of the 25 feet
would work.
Kipp responded that all setbacks are to be perpendicular to the closest lot line.
Weeks inquired about adding an asphalt pad instead of a third car garage and
brought up the fact that with respect to the recent variance request from
Morgan's neighbors,the Graffs, Morgan did have more storage space than they
did.
Morgan stated that should he decide to buy a boat,jet ski, etc., leaving them on
an asphalt pad would not sit well with the neighbors.
Morgan stated that he thought this was a very reasonable request and stated that
the other option of putting a blacktop driveway and having it run to the back of
the home would be very unappealing.
Weeks opened the public hearing.
. Weeks closed the public hearing.
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• Vasaly stated that although it would be nice to grant the variance, she was unable
to see sufficient hardship for this request.
Dye said that while it would be nice to have the additional space, but felt that an
alternative plan should be researched and presented at a later time to the board.
Weeks inquired as to the width of garage door.
Morgan was quite sure that it was 16 feet.
Weeks replied that he was sensitive to not creating a precedence and could not
see any real hardship based on the evening's discussions. He stated that this
variance would probably be denied this evening, and suggested that Morgan
investigate other options and return before the board at a later time.
Morgan stated that this would be agreeable to him and he would begin working
with an architect and have him attend the meeting regarding this request.
Weeks responded that he felt the board would be perceptive to a continuation on
the variance and opened it up to the board members..
Dye motioned for a 60 day continuance and was seconded by Vasaly.
MOTION: Dye motioned the Board for a 60 day continuance of variance
. request Number 95-31 and seconded by Vasaly. The motion passed 5-0-0.
B. Request Number 95-35 by Design I of Edina,Ltd. for 9973 Valley View
Road (1) to permit a lot without frontage on a public road (pre-existing
condition). City Code reauires all lots to have frontage on a public road.
(2) to permit parking 0 inches from a side lot line. City Code requires a 10
feet side yard setback. (3) to permit exterior building material of 63 percent
redwood siding. City Code requires 75 percent brick, glass or stone and not
more than 25 percent wood.
Robert Davis, President of Design I of Edina, stated that the hardship was due to
the original concept and approvals for this site being based on code for variances
which have since expired. Additionally, he stated that if the variance for
elimination of public road frontage, as currently exists, then the site is essentially
unbuildable.
Davis also stated that the difference in the usage and percentage of exterior
materials, as well as zero setback to parking, was necessary to maintain
consistency with the original buildings.
Vasaly inquired as why it was a hardship to be required to use a large amount of
stone.
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• Davis responded that it would be consistently out of character to go with so
much stone and so little use of wood.
Weeks inquired as to whether in 1981 when variances A, B, and C were
approved, did this also include Part D as approved.
Davis stated that Part D was approved in 1981 and has since been the only
building not built.
Kipp remarked that he agreed there was a hardship and is currently unbuildable
based on required codes.
Weeks questioned as to who owns the remaining property within this area.
Kipp indicated that there is a covenant on the property.
Hansen asked why this property was not platted as one single lot.
Kipp indicated that when this property was first developed, it was not to be
condominiums and therefore was not platted that way.
Hansen stated that the site plan currently meets requirements for pervious or
impervious lots.
• Dunham inquired if parking as currently exists is adequate.
Morgan replied that yes he does meet city ordinance now and would be adding
32 stalls for the new 6400 feet.
Dunham questioned if the 6400 feet included any type of garage.
Morgan stated that he did not need to qualify for such a thing as he needs 32
stalls and currently has 34 stalls.
Weeks opened the public hearing.
Weeks closed the public hearing.
Dunham motioned to approve and was seconded by Dye with conditions from
the Staff Report of the Valley Place Office-Phase U.
MOTION: Dunham motioned to approve and was seconded by Dye with the
attached conditions of page 4 and page 5 from the Staff Report of the Valley
Place Office-Phase U. This report was drawn up on October 6, 1995, and all
provisions from these two pages must be adhered to as part of the variance
request approval. The motion passed 5-0-0.
C. Request Number 95-36 by Wayne Francisco for 17400 West 66th Street to
permit construction of a garage addition with a front yard setback of 23.5
• feet. City Code requires a 30 feet front yard setback.
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Wayne Francisco stated that the he wanted to expand the existing garage of his
home toward the street.. He stated that the hardship is created by the design of
the home, enabling the only way to expand is toward the street. While a
detached garage could be built on site, it would be nearly 40 feet from the front
door, four large trees would need to be removed and extensive land grading
would be needed to accommodate a steep slope from the front to the rear of the
garage.
Francisco also noted that a detached garage would require a great deal of
foundation fill in the back of the yard.
Kipp remarked that the older neighborhoods such as those platted in the 1960's
had one car garages, and now most people need a 2 stall garage.
Kipp also stated that any new driveway resulting from an expansion is required
by code to be paved.
Francisco indicated that the new garage floor would be concrete or paved.
Hansen inquired as to whether they planned on maintaining the existing garage
door to the home.
Francisco stated that yes they would maintain the same door opening.
• Hansen inquired of Kipp as to why there were different requirements for older
neighborhoods.
Kipp replied that the requirements are actually the same for all neighborhoods,
but that he didn't have the current information with him on the average setback
for a home.
Hansen stated that he could see the hardship, but wondered why all the other
homes are 30 feet back or more but this particular lot was not.
Francisco replied that they could not build their home any steeper with the lot as
it existed.
Dunham stated that by allowing the variance, they would be aligning the garage
with the end of the street.
Francisco stated that the only other option was to expand on the west side,
leaving it 3 1/2 feet dead level to the curb and with a four feet drop from the
curb.
Kipp stated that is was more likely that there would be a 15 feet clearance from
the road,not the lower figures as indicated.
Dunham wondered if the driveway could possibly be confused with a
• continuation of the road.
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• Francisco stated that this was doubtful with all of large signs showing arrows to
direct people.
Weeks stated that he favored the request as it was unusual to have a single car
garage these days. He also indicated that the increased right of way is a good
thing.
Vasaly inquired as to why 16 1/2 feet of the front yard is city owned right-of-way
and asked Kipp if he knew why.
Kipp said that was normal for the 1960's and today's standard is 60 feet.
Weeks opened the public hearing.
Weeks closed the public hearing.
Vasaly motioned to approve Number 95-36,with the hardship being a loss of
trees to which the proposal is consistent, and seconded by Dye.
MOTION: Vasaly motioned the Board for approval of the variance request
Number 95-36 and seconded by Dye. The motion passed 5-0-0.
D. Request Number 95-37 by Challenge Printim/RoLert Lothenbach for 7500
Golden Triangle Drive to permit construction of a building addition with a
portion of the northeast corner 16.3 feet from a side lot line. City Code
requires a side yard setback of 20 feet in the 1-2 Zoning District.
Tom Hart,legal counsel for Challenge Printing, stated that in February of this
year Challenge Printing received approval from City Council for a building
expansion to the existing facility.
The Board of Appeals also granted a 25 feet front yard setback variance as part
of this approval for a portion of the parking. This was to allow the building to be
as far away from the flood plain and wooded area of the property.
Hart indicated that when the property was re-surveyed for building permit
submittal, it was discovered that the lot line is at a slight angle.
Jim Bayliss with Challenge Printing also addressed the board regarding this
request, and commented on the need for approval of the variance request.
Hart then stated that the hardship of a steep slope on the west land left them with
no alternative for expansion on that side and said he felt due to the unique
characteristics of the land,this was the best solution.
Dunham stated that the intersections of the west and north areas are only at an 89
percent degree angle with the building. He added that earlier approved plans had
shown 25 feet setbacks.
Hart responded that during a previous survey the setback had been mislocated.
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Dunham inquired if he had received any comments from the neighbors to the
south of him.
Hart replied that he had received no comments nor complaints from neighboring
buildings.
Dye inquired as to whether construction had begun.
Bayliss stated that construction would start soon.
Vasaly stated that it doesn't look as if there would be that much of a loss of
space.
Weeks indicated that he needed a better understanding of the roof line, etc.
Kipp stated that he had concern about the angled roof and preventing the storage
of snow, etc.
Weeks remarked that they could rack 3 feet onto the gridline,while pulling the
north building wall 3/4 feet to the south.
Kipp indicated that this request had been before the board in February or March
in order to protect the floodplain area as much as possible. Kipp remarked that if
they added 19 feet for parking stalls,they would still be within code
. requirements.
Hart stated that they had been working with contractors for many months now
and that they cannot build to the west in any manner.
Weeks inquired of Kipp as to what he thought the timing would be with regard to
this request.
Kipp indicated that if everyone involved would be contacted and involved,this
request could be reviewed as early as December.
Dye asked Kipp what he thought the hardship may be at this time.
Kipp stated that the hardship at this point could be seen as going through the
process itself, and the rigidity with which the rules must be followed.
Vasaly stated that it seems to be a minimal hardship at this time due to the fact
that it can be fixed as it is still in the planning stage. Beyond that, it would be
very difficult to define what the hardship is.
Weeks remarked that he looked over the request last evening and found the
hardship hard to define and wanted to see more information.
Hansen inquired of Hart as to whether any boundary survey had been done prior
to having the plans drawn up.
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Hart replied that he is relying on Opus Corporation to design the building.
Dunham said that he felt that the board needed more information and wanted to
see more options explored.
Hart indicated that they would examine other options per the board's request,
and would like to meet with the board at their earliest convenience.
Weeks stated that he was concerned of setting a precedence with this request
being approved.
Hart then remarked that with regard to other options,he felt that he had already
verified these, and found no other alternatives.
Weeks opened the public hearing.
Weeks closed the public hearing and discussed the possibility of a granting a 30
day continuance with the board members.
Hansen stated that if they could work with their current design and somehow
redesign it while staying within required setback,he was favorable to the idea.
Vasaly made a motion to grant a 30 day continuance on this request and to have
this party return on December, 14, 1995 to discuss additional options.
• MOTION: Vasaly motioned for a 30 day continuance on variance request
number 95-37, with an expected return date of December, 14, 1995. This was
seconded by Dunham, and the motion carried 5-0-0.
VL OLD BUSINESS
There was no old business for discussion.
VIL NEW BUSINESS
Vasaly inquired of Kipp as to whether there had been any new information on the court
order that had been violated by Dennis Sherwood.
Kipp stated that an attorney had some dealings with regard to this order approximately
three weeks ago. The issue would probably take over six months to be resolved.
VIR ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Dye moved the board adjourn. Hansen seconded the motion and was passed
unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
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