HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission - 07/24/1995 APPROVED MINUTES
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
July 249 1995
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Ismail Ismail,
Katherine Kardell, Douglas Sandstad, Edward
Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, City Planner
Don Uram, Economic Development Manager
Kathleen O'Connor, Recording Secretary
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Chair Katherine Kardell. Ismail Ismail
was absent; all other members were present.
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Clinton moved, seconded by Wissner to approve the Agenda as published.
Motion carried 6-0-0.
. III. MINUTES
Schlampp moved, seconded by Wissner to approve the Minutes of July 10, 1995 as
published. Motion carried 5-0-1 with one abstention by Sandstad.
IV. CONTINUED PUBLIC_HEARINGS
A. FUDDRUCKERS, INC. & RIO BRAVO CANTINA by Fuddruckers, Inc.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Office to Regional
Commercial on 4.02 acres, PUD Concept Review on 4.02 acres, PUD District
Review on 4.02 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural to C-Reg-Ser on 4.02
acres, Site Plan Review on 4.02 acres and Preliminary Plat of 8.53 acres into 2
lots, one outlot and road right-of-way. Location: U.S. Highway 169 and
Technology Drive.
This is a continued item from the July 10 Planning Commission meeting. The
project was continued to allow the staff and the proponent time to meet with the
DNR and make plan revisions per the July 7 Staff Report. Uram reviewed the
plan revisions for the project. The revisions include:
1. Modifying the grading plan so as to allow the grading to be "pulled back"
from the lakeshore to a width of between 20 and 40 feet.
2. Allow NURP pond to remain as currently designed.
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3. Relocate the trail along Lake Idlewild next to the base of the retaining
wall. This trail will become City owned and will require an easement
from the property owner.
4. Reducing the front yard parking setback to 10 feet along both street
frontages. This change allows for Fuddrucker's to move from a shoreland
setback of 65 feet to 70 feet.
5. Modifying the landscaping plan. Minor revisions to the landscape plan
are still necessary, including the relocation of all landscaping out of the
right-of-way and increasing the height of evergreens from 4 to 6 feet.
6. Site access will be from Technology Drive at an existing shared access
with American Baptist Homes and a new access farther to the east. At
this time, the convenience center is not in favor of making a connection
to their parking lot. The proponent will continue to work for this access.
Staff met with the DNR on-site and have clarified all issues related to their letter
of July 5. The DNR concurs with staff s recommendations on plan revisions and
understands the need for variances.
The staff recommends approval according to the revised plans and the Staff
Report dated July 21, 1995.
MOTION 1:
Wissner moved, seconded by Clinton to close the public hearing. Motion
carried 6-0-0.
MOTION 2:
Wissner moved, seconded by Clinton to recommend to the City Council approval
of the request of Fuddruckers, Inc. for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from
Office to Regional Commercial on 4.02 acres, PUD Concept Review on 4.02
acres, PUD District Review on 4.02 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural
to C-Reg-Ser on 4.02 acres, Site Plan Review on 4.02 acres and Preliminary Plat
of 8.53 acres into 2 lots, one outlot and road right-of-way based on revised plans
dated July 20, 1995, and subject to the recommendations of the Staff Report dated
July 21, 1995. Motion carried 6-0-0.
B. KINDERCARE by'Kindercare. Request for Zoning District Amendment in the
Neighborhood Commercial Zoning District and Site Plan Review on 2.75 acres.
Location: Highway 169 and Anderson Lakes Parkway.
This is a continued item from the June 26, 1995 meeting. The Planning
Commission directed the developer to revise the development plan to relocate the
outdoor play area in the center of the site and place the building and parking
• areas adjacent to Highway 169 and Anderson Lakes Parkway.
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Franzen introduced John Dietrich, consultant, from RLK Associates who
reviewed several site plans that have been considered and introduced the current
proposed plan. The new plan indicates that the play areas are to be located to
the north and east of the building. There will be a 35 foot setback from Highway
169 with a berm at a 3:1 slope. The developer will plant three rows of 12 foot
trees on the south and west sides of the site. The NURP pond will remain the
same.
Clinton asked about the provisions for signage. Dietrich explained that there
would be a pylon sign at the corner, 20 feet off the property line at the south and
west. Also, a ground level monument sign at the entrance.
Wissner questioned whether Kindercare uses climate control at all times, or do
they occasionally open the windows. She was concerned about the noise level
due to traffic on Highway 169 and how that might interfere with the children's
learning.
John Finlimore from Kindercare explained that generally they use climate control.
However, on nice days they may choose to open the windows. He did not
anticipate that highway noise would be a problem due to the planned berm and
the fact that the rooms for the older children face away from the street.
Schlampp asked where the run off will go once it leaves the NURP pond. His
concern is that it will increase flooding potential for properties to the north.
. Franzen stated that Kindercare had met the City sign code, and a further analysis
will be done to address the questions of drainage.
These will include:
1. Where will the runoff go?
2. What is the size of the drainage area?
3. How high will the pond rise?
4. What year storm event will be used?
The staff recommends that the project be continued to the August 14th meeting
based on the six conditions listed in the July 21st Staff Report and the additional
questions on drainage.
MOTION 1:
Wissner moved, seconded by Foote, to continue the public hearing until August
14, 1995 and direct City staff to publish for the August 15, 1995 City Council
meeting.
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V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. LAUKKA-JARVIS DEVELOPMENT by Laukka-Jarvis, Inc. Request for
• Comprehensive Guide Plan Change to amend the MUSA line, Planned Unit
Development Concept Review on 42.2 acres, Planned Unit Development District
Review on 15.2 acres, Rezoning from Rural to R1-9.5 on 15.2 acre, Preliminary
Plat of 43.2 acres into 52 lots. Location: South of Riverview Road and east of
Riverview Drive.
Peter Jarvis from Laukka-Jarvis Development reviewed the proposed plans for the
site. He advised the Commission that it is their intent to dedicate 12 acres of
open space and 17 acres of flood plain to the City. He went on to explain that
approximately 15.2 acres is slated for development. The type of home to be
offered is expected to appeal mainly to young professionals and empty nesters.
Jarvis presented artist renditions of the development pointing out that the homes
would offer three floor plans, nine elevations, and three variations of options.
Construction would include vinyl siding, chimney caps, and accents of brick,
stone, and ornamental metal. Each home would have a front fence and gate as
well as a side yard privacy fence. Lots on the south end of the project would
back up to the bluffs, while interior lots would open up to a common pond and
wooded area. The price of the homes would run from approximately $225,000
up to $300,000.
Jarvis stated that the winding pathway behind the development is no longer a part
• of the proposal because the neighbors did not like it. However, they do propose
a trail along the east end of the property as well as a rustic path in the woods
around the NURP pond.
Franzen stated the staff recommends approval of the plan as proposed, according
to Alternative I of the Staff Report, subject to changes in architecture,
landscaping and road alignments. Or, as he pointed out, the Commission may
choose Alternative II or III.
Wissner asked how much additional bluff area would be open to development
should someone propose a single family development. Jarvis explained that such
a proposal could include approximately 13 additional acres, about 50% of which
is wooded area.
Richard Crosby,, 10366 Concord Drives expressed concerns about additional
traffic in the area. He feels traffic is already heavy on Concord, and this
development would add much more. He is also concerned about tree loss and
erosion. He stated that there are a number of large oak trees at the top of the
property that would be removed for the project. Crosby also felt that the design
does not fit into the neighborhood community. He would like to see a more
traditional single family home development.
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Steve Ruffmg, 10422 W. Riverview Drive,is not concerned about the proposed
density. However, he does not like the one larger single family lot on the corner
of the project. He would like to see a different transition to the neighborhood.
Mark Wall, 10400 W. Riverview Drive, also does not like the one larger single
family lot on the corner. He feels it does not fit.
Tammy Schulman, 12076 Riverview Road, dislikes the one larger single family
lot. Additionally, she feels that the proposed project does not fit the
neighborhood. She stated that it is currently a family neighborhood and would
like to see more of the same. She expressed concern for the additional traffic.
She also felt that the project would cause the area to deteriorate both naturally
and culturally.
Sharon Clements, 10299 Concord Drive, is concerned about the traffic that will
be generated for Concord Drive. She pointed out that Concord is a very curvy
street and drivers already drive to fast on it.
Wally Hustad, 10470 Whitetail CrossIM had three major concerns;
precedence, density, and transition. In regards to precedence, he stated that the
area along the bluffs has historically been the estate area with large lots. He feels
the density of the project is too dramatic a change in the area. He also feels that
transition to the area is poor and is concerned about both utility and road access.
He is against the proposed trail along the west side of the property.
Laura Blumel, 10540 W. Riverview Drive, also feels the project is a poor
transition to the neighborhood because of the small lot size. She is concerned
about the bluff area that is being dedicated to the City that is really a bribe or
carrot. She inquired as to who will be responsible for maintaining the area,
controlling dumping, and be liable for injuries incurred by people who enter the
bluffs. She fears the City will eventually turn the area into a park. She would
like to see the open space retained as private property. She would also like to see
the road to the northeast of the project completed to divert some of the traffic off
of Concord Drive.
Kelly Huhler, 12300 Riverview Roads is concerned about the extra traffic the
project will bring to the area. She cited vehicles speeding, juvenile parties,
dumping, and fire setting, as problems that residents are already experiencing.
She is afraid that introducing a new trail in the bluffs will increase these
problems.
Chris Anderson, 10346 Concord Drive, is also concerned about the amount of
traffic on Concord Drive.
Gail Diehl, 10530 W. Riverview Drive, objects to the density of the project.
She would like to see the natural openness of the area preserved.
• Kevin Bluml, 10540 W. Riverview Drive,requested that an analysis be done on
the traffic patterns, volumes, and the intersections for the area.
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Kift Bayerle, 10488 W. Riverview Drive, dislikes the density of the
development.
Greg Huhler, 12300 Riverview Road, fears that the proposed density will
generate too much traffic for the existing road structure to handle.
Jeff King, 11817 Riverview Road, feels the increased traffic for the area will be
too dangerous. He does not feel that this is an appropriate development for the
area.
Kardell asked about the lighting for the development. Jarvis indicated that the
area would have normal street lighting. Additionally there would be a light on
each garage that would go on automatically at dusk.
Franzen talked about the proposed trail plan and how it is impacted by the Wild
Life Refuge Plan. He also stated that the City will examine how Riverview Road
might be developed to provide access to the 19 acres to the west of the project.
They will also address concerns about the MUSA line, which Franzen pointed out
will only require minor adjustments.
Jarvis stated that the density factor is not significantly different in the number of
homes it will allow. He explained that the proposed development is expected to
generate less traffic than the traditional single family development. He pointed
out that young professionals and empty nesters generally make fewer trips than
young families with their many activities.
• Sandstad asked about the plans for the isolated single family lot that many of the
residents have objected to. Jarvis indicated that they are prepared to loose that
lot.
Kardell summarized the concerns heard from the residents. They included traffic .
increase, distribution patterns and stop signs; density issue and loss of openness;
tree loss on the top of the bluffs; community issues, different types of homes
appealing to empty nesters rather than families; public safety issues due to trails
and the traffic they might bring into the bluffs; visual transition, utilities, and
access to other property; and the issue of precedence.
Schlampp stated that he sees nothing wrong with the homes appealing to an
alternate lifestyle, adding diversity to the area. However, he feels that the City
will need to complete a further traffic study, and Concord Drive needs a
sidewalk. Additionally, he feels that the developer needs to soften and improve
the transition.
Foote feels that the isolated single family lot needs to be eliminated. However,
he does feel that the proposed project is the best way to develop the area.
Wissner stated that she was excited about the proposal. She encouraged people
to see the Parkers Lake project in Plymouth to get an idea of what the proposed
development will look like. Wissner agrees that the isolated single family lot
should be eliminated, a further traffic study should be done, and a sidewalk
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should be placed on Concord Drive.
Sandstad pointed out that the Commission considers what is in the best interests
of the entire community. This goes beyond the immediate neighbors and the
developer. He agrees with the need for diversity. He also agrees that the
isolated single family lot should be removed. He stated that he believes this
project would generate less traffic than additional single family homes.
Clinton stated that his main concerns for the area also include traffic, speed, and
flow. He too, believes that the City must maintain a balance in the types of
homes offered, and does not see density as an issue in this case. He also feels
the single family lot should be removed.
Kardell said she is excited about the project. She feels there needs to be a further
traffic analysis to look at what alternative access roads may be possible, as well
as the street radius issue. She also feels the City needs to address concerns of
access to adjacent property.
Wissner inquired why the developer wants to keep the home that is currently
existing on a lot in the project area. Jarvis explained that they feel it is a nice
home and can be worked into the development. It will undergo some changes so
that it will blend in.
MOTION 1:
• Sandstad moved, seconded by Foote to continue the public hearing to the August
141 1995 meeting. Motion carried 6-0-0.
VI. MEMBERS' REPORTS
Tree Committee
Franzen stated that at this time, Stuart Fox is summarizing the comments of the
Tree Committee. The summary will be returned to the Tree Committee for their
review then passed on to the Planning Commission and Parks Commission.
VH. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VHL NEW BUSINESS
IX. PLANNERS' REPORTS
A. Deadline for Agency Action (see memo)
Franzen discussed the memo regarding Deadline for Agency Action.
B. Training Sessions (see memo)
Franzen presented ideas on training possibilities for the Commissioners. These
included:
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1. Seminars on how to be a Planning Commissioner. Government Training
Services sends out flyers each year offering these seminars.
• 2. Work Shop Sessions. This session, or sessions, would be conducted by
City staff and would cover information on planning and zoning, typical
City code issues, and past policies.
3. Continue to add special reports on various subject matters to the Planning
Commission Handbook. Franzen believes that at least one special report
could be drafted per month and a time slot could be reserved on each
agenda for presentations by City staff in conjunction with these reports.
The suggestions for training were favorably received by the Commissioners.
C. Cable Broadcast of Commission meetings (see memo)
There are three practice runs scheduled. These include meetings for July 24, and
August 14 & 28. The Planning Commission's Cable TV premiere is scheduled
for September 11, 1995. Commissioners feel it would be a good idea to review
at least one of the practice tapes during either of the August meetings, as time
allows.
The Planning Commission discussed the decision of the City Council to extend Forest
Hills Road to Baker Road. The Commission noted that the traffic study and new
drainage solution to potential flooding was information that should have been submitted
• to them at the first meeting.
The Commission indicated that the City Engineer should be present at meeting where
roads, traffic and drainage are issues especially for infill projects. Franzen stated that
the City Engineer would be present at the next meeting.
X. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Schlampp moved, seconded by Foote to adjourn the meeting. Motion
carried 6-0-0. The meeting adjourned at 10:15 P.M.
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AGENDA
EDEN PRAIRIE PLANNING COMMISSION
Monday, July 24, 1995 7:00 p.m.
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Kenneth E. Clinton, Randy Foote, Ismail Ismail,
Katherine Kardell, Douglas Sandstad, Edward
Schlampp, Mary Jane Wissner
STAFF MEMBERS: Michael D. Franzen, City Planner
Don Uram, Economic Development Manager
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE -- ROLL CALL
H. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES
IV. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. FUDDRUCKERS, INC. & RIO BRAVO CANTINA by Fuddruckers, Inc.
Request for Comprehensive Guide Plan Change from Office to Regional
Commercial on 4.02 acres, PUD Concept Review on 4.02 acres, PUD District
Review on 4.02 acres, Zoning District Change from Rural to C-Reg-Ser on 4.02
acres, Site Plan Review on 4.02 acres and Preliminary Plat of 8.53 acres into 2
lots, one outlot and road right-of-way. Location: U.S. Highway #169 and
• Technology Drive.
B. KINDERCARE by Kindercare. Request for Zoning District Amendment in the
Neighborhood Commercial Zoning District and Site Plan Review on 2.75 acres.
Location: Hwy 169 and Anderson Lakes Parkway.
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
C. LAUKKA-JARVIS DEVELOPMENT by Laukka-Jarvis, Inc. Request for
Comprehensive Guide Plan Change to amend the MUSA line, Planned Unit
Development Concept Review on 42.2 acres, Planned Unit Development District
Review on 15.2 acres, Rezoning from Rural to R1-9.5 on 15.2 acres, Preliminary
Plat of 43.2 acres into 52 lots. Location: South of Riverview Road and east of
Riverview Drive.
VI. MEMBERS' REPORTS
VII. CONTINUING BUSINESS
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
IX. PLANNERS' REPORTS
X. ADJOURNMENT