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Home My WebLink AboutCity Council - 04/10/1975 - Joint Meeting APPROVED r MINUTES it JOINT EDEN PRAIRIE CITY COUNCIL AND PARK & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING Thursday, April 10, 1975 7:30 PM, City Hall ( Council Meeting Cont'd . from April 82 1975) Mayor D. W. Osterholt, COUNCIL MEU:BERS PRESENT : 1 illiam Bve , Joan Meyers, Sidney Pauly and Wolfgang Penzel PARK & REC. COMMISSION Richard Anderson, Paul MEMBERS PRESENT: Choiniere , Marvin Erickson, William Garens, Francis Helmer, Jerry Kingrey, T Brian Mikkelson, Mary Upton, and Steve Fifield (Ex-Officio) COUNCIL STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Roger Ulstad, Finance Director John Frane , Director of Community Services Marty Jessen Council Recording Secretary Belinda Vee I. PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM a City Manager Ulstad stated the Park and Rec. Commission requested this joint meeting with the City Council to outline their proposals for Council consideration and asked Director of Community Services, Marty Jessen, to present proposals . Mr. Jessen outlined the needs as follows: (1) Interest expressed ( 2) E.P .A .A . Planning (3 ) Objectives: (a) Guide Plan - protect natural resources by acquiring parks and , open space and invest in good community facilities and services; (b) Neighborhood Facilities Study - existing residential areas served, inter-relationships strengthened by trails , and playgrounds within 1/2 miles of people; and ( c) Bikeway/Hikeway Task Force - linking existing population centers. The following program was presented: Neighborhood Pla ,rounds: cauire 7 neig or oo sites; Develop (minimal) 7 sites; Complete development of 2 sites-Est. Cost $68$,000 Community Parks : Develop Round Lake Park, Continue Community Park Acquisition- Cost $658,0O0 (Est. ) F3ike,:ay/Hikewav: Construct 1st phase of trails - Est. Cost $250,000 Minutes ( Joint C and P/R) -2 April 10, 1975 The estimated cost for total program was $1,600,000. Jessen presented a survey conducted by the League of Women Voters to indicate corrununity interest and support. Overall Priorities were listed as (1) Swimming Pool (2)_ Bikeway/Hikeway Trails (3 ) Neighborhood Playgrounds (4) Tennis Courts ( 5) Community j parks and (6) Ice Arena; Bond Issue Support as follows : (1) The Neighborhood and Communit Parks ( 2) Park land acquisition (3 ) The Bikeway/Hikeway Trails (4T Swimming Pool and ( 5) Ice Arena. A total of 474 voters participated in the survey. Jessen stated the estimated cost of an Indoor Recreational facility would be about $750y000. It would be used as a Hockey rink for 6 months of the year and an indoor tennis court for other 6 months (some area to be used for picnics) . Jessen presented a figure of around $70,000 a year as revenue( estimated) expected from the facility and said it could be as much as $104,000 annually. The total proposal would arr-Dunt to approximately $2 ,350,000. This would be presented to the voters in the form of a bond issue . Jessen stated State law limits G. 0. Bond Debt to 20'ifa of assessed value and that Eden Prairie presently has $490,000 subject to this limit of $10,0302000. Bond Issue Proposal: Neighborhood Playgrounds: Land Acquisition $420,000 Prairie Vie-6.; 125,000 Playground Development 145,000 $690,00o Cornmurity Parks: Land A cauisition $500, 000 Round Lake Development 160i000 $66o,000 Hikeway/Bikeway Trails: County Rd. #4 $13 5 ,000 Duck Lake Trail 30,000 Valley View 85 ,000 $250,000 Indoor Facility: Ice Arena/Indoor Tennis/Re c. $750,000 $2 0 50,000 Tax Impact of Proposed (Park) Bond Issue : Annual cost for $30v000 Home-$23 .46;$409000 Home-$32.66; $50,000 Horne-$41.86 ; and $60,000 Home-$51 .07. Minutes ( Joint C and P/r) -3- April 10, 1975 Jessen responded to questions by Council members concerning the following: What were neighborhood sites - Edenview, Topvief;, Lochanburn, City Hall, Edenvale , Hidden Ponds, Red Rock Center, Prairie View and Forest Hills ; whether some of the acreage would be dedicated - yes ; how they arrived at selected sites - through much discussion with P/R .Commission; whether a bond such as this would effect Eden Prairie ' s present bond rating adversely - Finance Director John Frane did not think so ; and whether swimming pool should be considered - have not done a study on a pool. Mr. Marvin Erickson of Park/Rec . Commission stated they have not been formally requested to do a study on need for swimming pool. It was suggested that maybe the swimming pool should be considered as a joint school/ community facility. Considerable discussion followed with Council Members asking Messrs. Jessen and Frane questions concerning per capita indebtedness, bond rating procedure and if this proposed bond would affect current rating, what category ballfields fall in, and community interest in ballfields, number cf miles of trails that $250,000 would construct, if trails needed to be 8 feet wide and of asphalt , whether some of the land accuisition cost included land presently owned by County and if so , how much, etc. Frane explained per capita indebtedness to be higher than average , but a very sound program and the people rating bonds look at this . •. Jessen replied ballfields were in both neighborhood and community facilities; that there were about 20,$00 lineal feet in Trail #1, about 13 ,000 feet in Trail #2 , and 5 ,000 feet in Trail #3 ; that trails were $ feet ,ride to accommodate snowplow and asphalt was being used so trails would be 4-season trails; and there is some land owned by the County, but do not have the figures available on how much. Jessen responded to inquiry as to how much of estimated cost was for feasibility studies and site planning - about 10-15°'a with another IC6' for contingencies. Jessen responded to questions regarding hockey facilities and the estimated revenue and explained it was not reasonable to expect the the revenues would Help to retire the bond issue. Park and Rec. Commission members Erickson, Upton, Helmer, and Garens explained they are requesting a bond issue of $2 ,350,000, but want flexibility so that money would be used for the most feasible facilities. They have not gone over each item separ- ately and things could change drastically one way or the other. Meyers asked if the Park/Rec. Commission was planning to go to the voters without committing themselves to specific areas. Both Messrs . Erickson and Garens explained they would designate areas , ` but not actual acreage as things change , such as the price goes up and they can' t afford it - they need flexibility. IL Minutes (Joint C and P/R) -4- April 102 1975 Discussion followed regarding the goals for neighborhood facilites and that it does not have to take place all at one time , but is the direction to go for next 5 to 10 years; how bond issues fared z in other communities ; the need for these parks; the economic climate for a bond issue ; the need for an indoor tennis court ; E.P .A .A . projection for needed ballfields; ballfields in one area rather than all over Eden Prairie, etc. Mr. Dale Lommen, 6650 175 West , (President of E.P .A .A . ) explained their projection for the ballfields and will submit a letter to Council outlining their proposal. Mr. John Cvetnic, stated there is a very apparent need for indoor ice facilities. Stated study committee addressed themselves to this need and explained the estimated revenues anticipated. Mr. Steven Sopczak, 6309 Rosemary, explained they would sell every hour of ice time left over after Eden Prairie is serviced. Also, that as time goes on, Eden Prairie will use all ice time and in future will need another sheet. Mr. Ed Griffin, 14045 Sundial Ct. , stated his support of ice facility. Mrs. Judy Schuck Eden Prairie stated her supportg pool for swimming and reason they have not formally requested study on it and that is because they were told to wait until new school bond issue is considered and include the pool with the school. Mr. Steve Fifield stated his support of the parks proposal. Mr. BobKruell questioned the need for air conditioning for indoor tennis court. Mr. Glenn Keller asked about raising cost of ice time to include bond debt retirement . Mayor Osterholt thanked Park/Rec. Commission Members for attending meeting with Council. II. N91 BUSINESS Park/Rec. Members asked for direction on barks in new developments. City Manager Ulstad informed Council Mr. 'Dorenkemper of Crestwood Estates z-ras coming in with another proposal. III. ADJOURNMIENT Bye moved to adjourn at 10: 40 PM, Penzel seconded. Bye , Meyers , Pauly, Penzel and Mayor Osterholt voted "aye" , motion carried unanimously.