HomeMy WebLinkAboutFlying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission - 01/12/2023APPROVED MINUTES
FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 12, 2023 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL RD
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chair: Dan Dorson
Vice Chair: Andy Kleinfehn
Commissioners:
Bob Barker
Chilkunda Narendranath
Marc Morhack
Michael Lawrence (Business Representative)
Blaine Peterson (Airport Manager)
COMMISSION STAFF: Scott Gerber, EP Fire Chief
Kristin Harley, Recording Secretary
MAC STAFF: Jennifer Lewis
STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES: Aadit Bhavsar
Luke Brown
Julie Fang
Aditya Kshirsagar
Landon McDowell
Darren Tanubrata
Anirudh Vadrevu
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Chair Dorson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Absent were commission members
Kleinfehn, Lawrence and Narendranath and student representative Fang.
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Morhack moved, seconded by Barker to approve the agenda. Motion carried
5-0.
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION: Peterson moved, seconded by Barker to approve the minutes of the October
13, 2022 meeting amended to correct the spelling of Ronken’s name and revising the
discussion regarding noise mitigation in Item VIa. Motion carried 5-0.
IV. PUBLIC COMMENTS
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V. AIRPORT OPERATOR OF THE YEAR
a. MAC presentation of Flying Cloud Airport Operator of 2022
Peterson awarded Steve Bruss the 2022 Airport Operator of the Year Award. Bruss
encouraged the student representatives to be persistent in attaining their goals. Dorson
congratulated Bruss and commented the vote was unanimous.
VI. STANDING DISCUSSION ITEMS
a. Flying Cloud Airport tenant list & points of interest – Student
Commissioners
Gerber displayed a list of airport tenant names, and Dorson asked the student
representatives to respond to specific questions about these organizations as they related
to aviation in general and to their role in or with the commission. Dorson also explained
certain terms:
FBO – fixed base operator
Aircraft charter – plane rental
Civil Air Patrol
Cloud Seven Club
Barker stated the MAC website listed contributions to the economy. Peterson agreed,
saying 1,000 jobs had been directory or indirectly created by Flying Cloud Airport, which
generated 1.2 million dollars of revenue.
Gerber reminded the student representatives that the Eden Prairie school superintendent
Swanson was an avid pilot, and the Pathways program was connected to the Flying Cloud
Airport. He emphasized there was so much more than just airplanes at the airport, so
many other jobs and functions for interested students to explore. Options included both a
two-year, technical/trade education or a four-year baccalaureate and various fields
including insurance, maintenance, et cetera. He encouraged the student representatives to
advocate on behalf of the airport to classmates and friends.
Dorson stated Flying Cloud Airport, being in the middle of Eden Prairie, had true
advocates in the community and he urged the student commission members to extract as
much value as they could in terms of training and vocational opportunities. He stated the
commission would schedule a tour later in spring.
Morhack asked if the commission kept track of the businesses that the Commission had
toured at the airport, and Barker replied Peterson had been helpful in this. Peterson stated
there were 1,190 jobs at Flying Cloud, the economic output was 229 million, with 2.6
million paid in local and state taxes. Peterson offered to pull a list of businesses included
in the Commission tours going back two or three years.
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b. Nighttime Operations – early morning focus
Lewis stated during the October meeting there were questions raised that she later did a
deep dive on: how many aircraft generated complaints at night? How many aircraft
operations flew at night by hour? She also researched a case study of top five nighttime
complaint-related aircraft operating at night and took a sample of the communication
with aircraft operators who generated complaints. She also researched the number of
medical/law enforcement operations, and what percentage of Flying Cloud Airport
operations involved jet aircraft. She also broke down aircraft operations by category and
determined the top five types of aircraft generating nighttime complaints in 2022. Finally,
she would present the number of new Eden Prairie households filing complaints, the
number of complaints filed in the fourth quarter of 2022, and the number of operations in
that same quarter.
The number of nighttime operations that generated complaints were:
950 in 2022 out of 1,175 complaints
1,039 in 2021 out of 2,309 complaints
819 in 2020 out of 3,656 complaints
872 in 2019 out of 3,208 complaints
404 in 2018 out of 991 complaints
The number of nighttime complaints generated from Flying Cloud Airport were
1,175 in 2022 with a total number of 4,900 operations
2,309 in 2021 total with a total number of 3,788 operations
3,656 in 2020 total with a total number of 2,294 operations, which was an anomaly.
There was a high level of annoyance despite fewer operations due in part to residents not
used to the level of activity due to being home more during the pandemic.
1,203 in 2019 with a total number of 3,208 operations
991 in 2018 with a total number of 3,296 operations
Lewis explained there was a data analysis change to the MACNOMS methodology in
July 2021 which accounted for the increased number in 2022. Nighttime arrivals and
departures were defined as operations between 10:00 p.m. - 7:00 a.m., and that was
consistent across all of the MAC airports.
Comparing arrivals and departures during nighttime hours, arrivals peaked in 2022 as
well as every year at the 10:00 pm hour. A peak of departures occurred at 6:00 a.m. This
had to do with the types of operations occurring at night. Her office encouraged pilots to
complete operations by 10:00 p.m., but there were trainings in spring and summer months
where “nighttime” doesn’t start until one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise.
Nighttime currency flights could get pushed into the later/early morning hours.
Lewis presented her case study of the top five complaint-generating aircraft. Her study
took the five operators that generated the most complaints in 2022 and went back to five
years. Four of the operators were medical operators, and one (number four on the chart)
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was a corporate operator who communicated with Lewis before every flight. All operated
in a twin-engine turbo-prop aircraft. Most had been operating at the airport for years
(although number three on the chart started in 2019).
Dorson asked if there was a close sixth operator, and Lewis replied there was a large gap
between the top five operators and other operators, enough for a natural break. The
number of operators who generated nighttime complaints fluctuated between the years.
Operators could come and go, although most remained consistent. Barker asked if she or
Peterson anticipated new operators that could show up in next year’s numbers. Peterson
replied he expected the number of operators to stay similar.
Lewis stated any operator who generates a nighttime complaint receives a letter unless
they were a medical service operator. She displayed an example of the letter and added
that quite a few operators would respond and talk about their flights, and some knew
about the nighttime flight standards. This communication was helpful. Even questions
were logged as complaints, and all complaints were logged, and Lewis’s office did follow
up with those who requested it.
Gerber asked if between 2018 and 2022 she had received more or fewer contacts from
pilots, and Lewis replied there was more communication now. Aircraft operators wanted
to continue the relationship and explain their role, and they valued it as she did.
Barker explained for the benefit of the student representatives that nighttime operations
were not prohibited or restricted, but there was a voluntary noise abatement program. The
emphasis was on communication and being a good neighbor. There were no penalties,
fees, or lawbreaking involved. The agreement was between the MAC and the City of
Eden Prairie.
Lewis displayed the actual operation levels. In 2022 there were 303 operations that
generated nighttime complaints. 16 percent of the operations that generated these
complaints were due to a Beech Jet, 16 percent due to an Air Commander, and 67 percent
due to a King Air Turboprop, with the final one percent due to a Beech King Air. These
were medical operators only.
Lewis explained for the benefit of the student representatives the medical and law
enforcement operations which included the transport of medical supplies, doctors and
nurses (staff), organs and blood transport, also COVID vaccines. There was a mixture of
cargo and people. Peterson added typically an organ is harvested and transplanted in the
central states within 4-6 hours. Elective surgeries were held during the day and life-
saving measures had the operating theater during the night when the operating room was
free for these longer processes. Lewis added there is also a rule that the doctor must fly
with the organ, and sometimes the entire team flew together. Sometimes there is a
requirement for two airplanes to accommodate the entire team.
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Lewis displayed the hour-by-hours tally of the percentage of jet flights. The highest
percentage of operations was in the nighttime hours, because there were so few other
types of aircraft operating at night. Jets comprised nine percent of the operations in 2022,
but 16 percent of the operations in 2018. Twenty percent of the nighttime operations were
jet operations. 30 percent of the operators were Turboprops, 27 percent were jets, and 43
percent were propeller aircraft. The jets actually were the smallest percentage of
nighttime operations at Flying Cloud Airport.
BE 40 Beech Jet comprised 6 percent of operations in 2022 that generated nighttime
complaints.
BE20 and BE 30 King Air comprised 30 percent of operations in 2022 that generated
nighttime complaints.
PA 28 German comprised 22 percent that generated nighttime complaints.
C172 Cessna comprised 6 percent that generated nighttime complaints.
Lewis explained her office received complaints via email, the website portal, and over the
phone. All were documented, including how many people complained and how many
new people complained.
Number of new households registering complaints:
58 in 2018
45 in 2019
49 in 2020
40 in 2021
26 in 2022
Her office was experiencing now a lower level of complaints in 2022. Both the complaint
level and number of households had decreased. There had been 104 complaints in
December 2022, the lowest level for this year.
Barker asked what accounted for this, and Lewis replied there was a lower level of
complaints from top complaint-registering households, though none had dropped off
altogether. There were also fewer new households registering complaints. Generally with
the inclement weather there were fewer operations, and also people could be focused on
other things or get called away from the situation and not be exposed as much to the
operations.
Morhack asked if the corporate turboprop was noisy and Lewis replied it operated
frequently and often at 6:00 a.m., and had a loud engine, but it was not doing anything
differently. Peterson noted complaints were dependent on the economy, too. Several
severe storms also affected this; snow affected noise and also air traffic congestion.
Peterson gave the regular operations report. In 2022 there were 828 complaints,
compared to 1,896 complaints in 2021. In 2022 there had been 28,410 operations, of
which 681 were nighttime operations. In 2021 there had been 29,565 operations, of which
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755 were nighttime operations. This showed a roughly 3 percent decrease in operations.
There was an eight 8 percent reduction in takeoffs and landings (operations) between the
two years. He expected stagnant growth in the future, as businesspeople were starting to
use charter rather than airlines. In the summer hours windows were open, people were
awake or outside later, and training flights had more light hours to operate.
c. ORDINANCE 97 MONITORING – MAC
Dorson explained for the benefit of the student representatives the reason the Flying
Cloud Airport Advisory Commission was founded to maintain the relationship between
the City and the airport and to monitor the size of airplanes that could land at Flying
Cloud due to their agreement. The airport was restricted to a certain size aircraft, but
occasionally someone just over the limit slipped in.
Peterson reported there were four violations, two in October, one in November and one in
December. One was a repeat on the 7th and the 9th, and he was attempting to contact the
pilot. The current approach was to educate the pilots in response to these incidents.
Morhack asked if the tower enforced this ordinance. Barker replied it was a MAC
ordinance so it was a law, and conceivably could result in a fine, but the emphasis was on
education.
d. AIRPORT INCIDENTS AND OPERATIONAL UPDATES – MAC
Peterson stated an aircraft landed on the 10R runway instead of the 10L.
He added the Taxiway Hotel construction would begin in spring. He offered to bring
diagrams to the next meeting. Premier and Flywise were performing construction updates
in the future.
e. LONG TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE – MAC
Eric Gilles, MAC Senior Airport Planner, explained this was an opportunity to look at the
airport. The FAA asked the MAC to update its long term vision in five- and 10-year
increments for improvements to determine existing needs and forecast future needs of the
airport and its tenants. The Stakeholder Advisory Panel was included in this.
Gilles summarized the Discover Flying Cloud held in October 2022, which was an event
to get information to the public and increase awareness to what happens at the airport via
an information booth.
The plan took an inventory of the last 10 years of existing airfield facilities, airport
operations, dimensions, design standards, and goals and objectives to enhance airfield
safety, preserve operations capability, and promote good financial stewardship with an
eye toward the year 2040. The forecast was 133,000 operations going up to 143,000 by
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then, which represented relatively benign growth. FAA airfield design standards were
based on critical design aircraft and the plan examined different sized surfaces to
preserve runway safety since the runways could not extend longer than 5,000 feet. There
were internal conversations with the FAA and MNDOT to ensure all proposals were in
conformance with design standards. The there would be meetings with the Stakeholder
Advisory Panel and the public to unveil the new concepts and solicit feedback.
Gilles explained the runway safety area for the benefit of the student representatives. It
was an area that surrounded the runway and ran laterally across its center. There was
grading and slope criteria to minimize aircraft damage if an aircraft left the runway. The
surface was kept as clear as possible: no buildings, signage, foliage, or anything else.
This runway safety area now impacted Flying Cloud Drive and Spring Lake Road and
was a non-conforming object. The goal was to bring this back into compliance.
VII. OLD BUSINESS
VIII. NEW BUSINESS
a. City Council Workshop Presentation – February 7th
Dorson stated he would put this together in consultation with Lewis.
IX. UPCOMING EVENTS AND TOPICS FOR FUTURE FCAAC MEETINGS
• Possible tour of Flying Cloud Airport at 4:00 p.m. on May 11 or May 18,
2023 – would be finalized at April meeting.
X. ADJOURNMENT
The next FCAAC meeting will be held on Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:00 p.m. in
Heritage Room I.
MOTION: Morhack moved, seconded by Barker to adjourn. Motion carried 5-0. The
meeting was adjourned at 8:23 p.m.