HomeMy WebLinkAboutFlying Cloud Airport Advisory Commission - 04/08/2021APPROVED MINUTES
FLYING CLOUD AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION
TUESDAY, APRIL 8, 2021 7:00 P.M. CITY CENTER
8080 MITCHELL RD
COMMISSION MEMBERS: Chair: Daniel Dorson
Vice Chair: Andy Kleinfehn
Commissioners:
Keith Tschohl
Bob Barker
Chilkunda Narendranath
Michael Lawrence (Business
Representative)
Blaine Peterson (Airport Manager)
STUDENT MEMBERS: Evelyn Hemler, Abshir Noor, Pranav
Kartha, Yash Salunke, Jake Dorson
COMMISSION STAFF: Scott Gerber, EP Fire Chief
Kristin Harley, Recording Secretary
MAC STAFF: Jennifer Lewis
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Chair Dorson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Loren Jones, chief flight instructor
at AV8 Flight School, joined the meeting.
II. WELCOME TO NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS
Dorson welcomed the new commission members. The new commission members and
existing commission members introduced themselves.
III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Tschohl moved, seconded by Barker to approve the agenda. Motion carried
7-0.
IV. PUBLIC COMMENTS
None
V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
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MOTION: Kleinfeld moved, seconded by Barker to approve the minutes of the January
14, 2021 meeting. Motion carried 7-0.
VI. STANDING DISCUSSION ITEMS
A. NOISE REPORT - MAC
Jennifer Lewis, Community Relations Coordinator for MAC, gave the quarterly
noise report for the first quarter of 2021. She explained the purpose of the report
and location of the Flight Tracker app on MACNoise.com for the new
commission members. All the data compiled was published via the interactive
reports.
For the first quarter of 2021 there was an increase in noise complaints, which was
a trend since spring of last year. It was related to increased levels of flight
activity, particularly training. 85 percent of the non-Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport
complaints related to Flying Cloud Airport. There was a month-by-month
increase as well. There were 4,707 complaints in the first quarter of 2021,
compared to 771 complaints in the first quarter of 2020. These represented 39
versus 24 locations, respectively. In the first quarter of 2021 there were 626
nighttime complaints, compared to 189 nighttime complaints in the first quarter of
2020. These represented 24 versus 20 households, respectively. Lewis displayed
the map that coincided with these first quarter of 2021 complaints.
There were 14,993 total operations and 427 nighttime operations in the first
quarter of 2021, compared to 12,661 operations and 518 nighttime operations in
the first quarter of 2020. The aircraft types involved were:
Jet (2,009 operations, 628 complaints)
Helicopter (228 operations, 60 complaints)
Not correlated (zero operations, 65 complaints)
Piston (11,262 operations, 3,807 complaints)
Turbo-prop (1,283 operations, 290 complaints)
Unknown (213 operations, 57 complaints)
Gerber noted that nighttime operations was an ongoing concern, yet these had
gone down in 2021. Salunke stated his father had a concern with night flying,
which would awaken him.
Dorson asked if there were a specific set of locations that generated the
complaints. Lewis replied it was a small number of households, and two
households generated 75 percent of the complaints. Dorson noted the breakdown
of complaints by operation type mirrored flights by operation type, giving the
sense that the sight of an airplane generated a complaint from some individuals.
Dorson asked Lewis what interaction she had with these households. Lewis
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replied the conversations generally went well but there was an insistence that
because people are at home more during the pandemic, there should be some
accommodation of homeowners such as varying the flight paths and even changes
to regulations. One household which had high reporting of complaints was a new
household. There were four new households in 2021, and Lewis had not yet
contacted them. One of the high-reporting households was one of these four.
Because there was a high level of concern regarding flight training, Lewis had
extensive communication with the flight schools which also went well.
B. ORDINANCE 97 MONITORING – MAC
Peterson stated there was zero incidents this quarter. When asked for thoughts
related to the ordinance from Chair Dorson, Jake Dorson explained his
understanding of the reason for the ordinance.
C. AIRPORT INCIDENTS AND OPERATIONAL UPDATES – MAC
Peterson reported there were 104,405 operations in 2019, and 124,382 operations
in 2020, and 27,729 year-to-date, an increase of 19 percent. There were six pilot
deviations January through March 2021, and three vehicle/pedestrian incursions
onto the runway. There were three “saves” due to wrong runway deviating aircraft
at Flying Cloud. Peterson could not discern any patterns, but one was due to a
student pilot. Conversations were ongoing. Gerber added there was an incident in
which a pilot experienced an emergency – he had unknown locked landing gear.
The pilot declared the incident early and allowed more effective coordination
between the tower and ground staff. The incident resolved in a successful
landing. There is no fire truck stationed at Flying Cloud Airport. Overall response
time in the City is approximately six-to-eight minutes.
D. PRIMARY RELIEVER AIRPORTS VISIONARY STUDY - MAC
Peterson reported there was still no planner for this position; interviews would be
held the next week.
VII. OLD BUSINESS
A. AIRPORT TOUR
Discussion followed on a possible tour on a May afternoon of the Flying Cloud
Airport. May 14, 2021 at 3:30 p.m. at the Executive Building on Flying Cloud
Road was decided upon. An email notification would go out. The tour would last
one and one-half hours.
B. MAC FLIGHT TRACKER TUTORIAL
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This item was tabled and will be removed from the agenda for future.
C. CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP PRESENTATION
Barker recapped the presentation. It went very well, and there was no instruction
from the City Council or the Mayor to change the FCAAC’s goals. They thanked
the members of this commission for what it does. The uptick in complaints and
members of the public contacting the Mayor and City Council brought this issue
to the fore.
VII. NEW BUSINESS
A. Recent outreach to flight schools - February 11, 2021
Barker stated there was a good reception from the people from Inflight, AV8, and
the Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport (MAC), and he requested this commission have
more input into future meetings to minimize impact on the Eden Prairie
community.
Sharing reference material provided by Inflight Training
Loren Jones, chief flight instructor at AV8 Flight School, displayed a
PowerPoint and explained the joint practice areas. Inflight pilot training
has been a staple business at Flying Cloud Airport since 2008 and had
developed new practice areas to be shared by Eden Prairie flight schools.
The goals were to increase aircraft safety and decrease noise effects. There
were built-in incentives for this.
Most of the training activity took place in planes with a consistent noise
footprint, as most training is done in Cessna 172s or similar single engine
propeller planes. Chilkunda Narendranath asked why some planes made
more noise than others conducting similar landings. Loren explained that
most variation in noise arose between different aircraft types. No matter
where the practice areas were, the takeoffs and landings still occurred at
Flying Cloud Airport. There is an effort to shift these practice take off and
landings from Flying Cloud, but the aircraft would have to return to Flying
Cloud at some point. Demand in the airline industry increased 300
percent. Most flight hours were spent away from Eden Prairie.
B. Overview of airport development projects – MAC
Peterson reported AV8 was renovating. Jones stated the final electrical needed to
be done, hopefully by the end of April.
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Peterson added Wings Insurance construction was proceeding more slowly than
anticipated. RJL was proceeding with interior work and would be complete by
mid- to late May. Jet Linx had temporary occupancy in its new building, and the
hangar was available for plane storage. Office space construction was ongoing.
There were several hangars planned. The cost of construction materials had
skyrocketed due to increased demand and lack of supply. Delta and Echo
taxiways had 2021 taxiways projects at Flying Cloud, and improvements to
runway 18-36 were scheduled for mid- to late August. Peterson was working with
a security company to secure gate access. Negotiations were underway to build in
the free space on the south side of the field to bring the airport to its physical
maximum size.
IX. UPCOMING EVENTS AND TOPICS FOR FUTURE FCAAC MEETINGS
May 14, 2021 Flying Cloud Airport Tour. Discussion followed on future topics of
meetings to include a meeting dedicated to night flying operations and which airport
users fly more at night, and an additional proposed meeting topic about
economic/workforce development opportunities at the airport, not just including pilot
training, but airplane mechanic classes set to be offered soon.
XI. ADJOURNMENT
The next FCAAC meeting will be held on Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 7:00 p.m. in the
Heritage Rooms.
MOTION: Kleinfehn moved, seconded by Barker to adjourn. Motion carried 7-0. The
meeting was adjourned at 8:19 p.m.